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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,653
    Your government recommended a good mask. Well done in your selection.I recently discovered my N95 exhalation vents aren't permitted on aircraft. I hadn't realized I may not be protecting others as best as I could. Now I double up or sport KN95 (looks like that's what you got SC).
  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,653
    nicknyr15 said:
    hedonist said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Damn. Seeing pictures of that mass exodus from London. Scary shit. Stay safe everyone. 
    I just checked it out. Wow. 
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesunion.com/news/amp/Cuomo-U-S-should-ban-or-restrict-travel-from-15817658.php

    And who knows where everybody is heading? 
    It’s worth remembering that the science has not yet confirmed that this strain is more transmissible, from what I read this morning anyway. 
    I haven't checked this out yet, so thanks again for update. I figured it was just like the Wuhan, Europe, or India mutations gone politic.
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,421
    nicknyr15 said:
    hedonist said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Damn. Seeing pictures of that mass exodus from London. Scary shit. Stay safe everyone. 
    I just checked it out. Wow. 
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesunion.com/news/amp/Cuomo-U-S-should-ban-or-restrict-travel-from-15817658.php

    And who knows where everybody is heading? 
    It’s worth remembering that the science has not yet confirmed that this strain is more transmissible, from what I read this morning anyway. 
    That’s great information. Thank you. 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    tish said:
    Your government recommended a good mask. Well done in your selection.I recently discovered my N95 exhalation vents aren't permitted on aircraft. I hadn't realized I may not be protecting others as best as I could. Now I double up or sport KN95 (looks like that's what you got SC).

    I already had a Cambridge vented mask before the pandemic, which is N99 rated, and continued to use it and also purchased two others. Then the concern about potentially venting viral particles came around and I blocked the vents as per info on the Cambridge website (basically just covered the whole internal vent area with duct tape). They released a statement last week to the effect that a recent study showed that the vents do NOT actually vent viral particles to any greater extent than regular cloth masks do - in fact, fewer viral particles are shed. However, the airlines and some other places (like my climbing gym, back when I was still going) have banned them and I doubt that's going to change anytime soon. I think those making the rules are trying to make them as simple as possible. I still wear my vented masks if I'm in appropriate areas.
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,886
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    brianlux said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Damn. Seeing pictures of that mass exodus from London. Scary shit. Stay safe everyone. 

    What's that about?  I hadn't heard about this.  Where are they going?
    A lot of people are apparently getting out before the new lockdown restrictions. 

    That sounds crazy to me.  Where the heck do you go in the middle of a pandemic?  Why not just shelter at home until things settle down more?
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  • The government  said on tv its 70% more transmissible 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    edited December 2020
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55388846

    New coronavirus variant: What do we know?

    By James Gallagher
    Health and science correspondent

    Published 6 hours ago

    The rapid spread of a new variant of coronavirus has been blamed for the introduction of strict tier four mixing rules for millions of people, harsher restrictions on mixing at Christmas in England, Scotland and Wales, and other countries placing the UK on a travel ban.

    So how has it gone from being non-existent to the most common form of the virus in parts of England in a matter of months?

    The government's advisers on new infections have "moderate" confidence that it is more able to transmit than other variants.

    All the work is at an early stage, contains huge uncertainties and a long list of unanswered questions.

    As I've written before, viruses mutate all the time and it's vital to keep a laser focus on whether the virus' behaviour is changing.

    Why is this variant causing concern?

    Three things are coming together that mean it is attracting attention:

    • It is rapidly replacing other versions of the virus
    • It has mutations that affect part of the virus likely to be important
    • Some of those mutations have already been shown in the lab to increase the ability of the virus to infect cells

    All of these come together to build a case for a virus that can spread more easily.

    However, we do not have absolute certainty. New strains can become more common simply by being in the right place at the right time - such as London, which had only tier two restrictions until recently.

    But already the justification for tier four restrictions is in part to reduce the spread of the variant.

    "Laboratory experiments are required, but do you want to wait weeks or months [to see the results and take action to limit the spread]? Probably not in these circumstances," Prof Nick Loman, from the Covid-19 Genomics UK Consortium, told me.

    How much faster is it spreading?

    It was first detected in September. In November around a quarter of cases in London were the new variant. This reached nearly two-thirds of cases in mid-December.

    You can see how the variant has come to dominate the results of testing in some centres such as the Milton Keynes Lighthouse Laboratory.

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    Mathematicians have been running the numbers on the spread of different variants in an attempt to calculate how much of an edge this one might have.

    But teasing apart what is due to people's behaviour and what is due to the virus is hard.

    The figure mentioned by Prime Minister Boris Johnson was that the variant may be up to 70% more transmissible. He said this may be increasing the R number - which indicates if an epidemic is growing or shrinking - by 0.4.

    During the talk he said: "It is really too early to tell… but from what we see so far it is growing very quickly, it is growing faster than [a previous variant] ever grew, but it is important to keep an eye on this."

    There is no "nailed on" figure for how much more infectious the variant may be. Scientists, whose work is not yet public, have told me figures both much higher and much lower than 70%.

    But there remain questions about whether it is any more infectious at all.

    "The amount of evidence in the public domain is woefully inadequate to draw strong or firm opinions on whether the virus has truly increased transmission," said Prof Jonathan Ball, a virologist at the University of Nottingham.

    How far has it spread?

    It is thought the variant either emerged in a patient in the UK or has been imported from a country with a lower ability to monitor coronavirus mutations.

    The variant can be found across the UK, except Northern Ireland, but it is heavily concentrated in London, the South East and eastern England. Cases elsewhere in the country do not seem to have taken off.

    Data from Nextstrain, which has been monitoring the genetic codes of the viral samples around the world, suggest cases in Denmark and Australia have come from the UK. The Netherlands has also reported cases.

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    A similar variant that has emerged in South Africa shares some of the same mutations, but appears to be unrelated to this one.

    Has this happened before?

    Yes.

    The virus that was first detected in Wuhan, China, is not the same one you will find in most corners of the world.

    The D614G mutation emerged in Europe in February and became the globally dominant form of the virus.

    Another, called A222V, spread across Europe and was linked to people's summer holidays in Spain.

    What do we know about the new mutations?

    An initial analysis of the new variant has been published and identifies 17 potentially important alterations.

    There have been changes to the spike protein - this is the key the virus uses to unlock the doorway to our body's cells.

    One mutation called N501Y alters the most important part of the spike, known as the "receptor-binding domain".

    This is where the spike makes first contact with the surface of our body's cells. Any changes that make it easier for the virus to get inside are likely to give it an edge.

    "It looks and smells like an important adaptation," said Prof Loman.

    The other mutation - a H69/V70 deletion, in which a small part of the spike is removed - has emerged several times before, including famously in infected mink.

    Work by Prof Ravi Gupta at the University of Cambridge has suggested this mutation increases infectivity two-fold in lab experiments.

    Prof Gupta told me: "It is rapidly increasing, that's what's worried government, we are worried, most scientists are worried."

    Where has it come from?

    The variant is unusually highly mutated.

    The most likely explanation is the variant has emerged in a patient with a weakened immune system that was unable to beat the virus.

    Instead their body became a breeding ground for the virus to mutate.

    Does it make the infection more deadly?

    There is no evidence to suggest that it does, although this will need to be monitored.

    However, just increasing transmission would be enough to cause problems for hospitals.

    If the new variant means more people are infected more quickly, that would in turn lead to more people needing hospital treatment.

    Will the vaccines work against the new variant?

    Almost certainly yes, or at least for now.

    All three leading vaccines develop an immune response against the existing spike, which is why the question comes up.

    Vaccines train the immune system to attack several different parts of the virus, so even though part of the spike has mutated, the vaccines should still work.

    "But if we let it add more mutations, then you start worrying," said Prof Gupta.

    "This virus is potentially on a pathway for vaccine escape, it has taken the first couple of steps towards that."

    Vaccine escape happens when the virus changes so it dodges the full effect of the vaccine and continues to infect people.

    This may be the most concerning element of what is happening with the virus.

    This variant is just the latest to show the virus is continuing to adapt as it infects more and more of us.

    A presentation by Prof David Robertson, from the University of Glasgow on Friday, concluded: "The virus will probably be able to generate vaccine escape mutants."

    That would put us in a position similar to flu, where the vaccines need to be regularly updated. Fortunately the vaccines we have are very easy to tweak.

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Tweets in the article above did not copy - they can be found in the original link and include more data.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Tweets in the article above did not copy - they can be found in the original link and include more data.
    That was fascinating, often - thank you!
  • Many countries  shut boarders with uk.About  time. Should of many months ago
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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,653
    Canada isn't letting UK flights in for 72 hours in response to the mutation. 
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 13,779
    edited December 2020
    Im watching  our news and its the abnormal amount of mutations in one go 17 that have science worried. All virus mutate and covid 19 is slow to. So this is worrying and its right to shut down boarders
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  • Denmark has shut borders to UK. 

    I bet Sweden won't. 
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,229

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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,886
    tish said:
    Canada isn't letting UK flights in for 72 hours in response to the mutation. 
    Wonder where politicians get the 72 hours number from.
    Do they think the mutation will disappear in 3 days?
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Poncier said:
    tish said:
    Canada isn't letting UK flights in for 72 hours in response to the mutation. 
    Wonder where politicians get the 72 hours number from.
    Do they think the mutation will disappear in 3 days?
    No, it’s just time to figure out a full plan.  
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,793
    Meanwhile, these idiots released an anti mask song. I couldn't care less about Van, but Clapton disappoints me.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/eric-clapton-and-van-morrison-release-their-anti-mask-anthem
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  • tbergs said:
    Meanwhile, these idiots released an anti mask song. I couldn't care less about Van, but Clapton disappoints me.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/eric-clapton-and-van-morrison-release-their-anti-mask-anthem
    I've read a few disappointing things about Clapton recently... him & Van Morrison are good company for each other. 
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    tbergs said:
    Meanwhile, these idiots released an anti mask song. I couldn't care less about Van, but Clapton disappoints me.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/eric-clapton-and-van-morrison-release-their-anti-mask-anthem
    I've read a few disappointing things about Clapton recently... him & Van Morrison are good company for each other. 
    Me to Slowhand a la Costanza’s girlfriend to him: “You have no hand!”

    Disappointing indeed. 
  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    edited December 2020
    hedonist said:
    tbergs said:
    Meanwhile, these idiots released an anti mask song. I couldn't care less about Van, but Clapton disappoints me.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/eric-clapton-and-van-morrison-release-their-anti-mask-anthem
    I've read a few disappointing things about Clapton recently... him & Van Morrison are good company for each other. 
    Me to Slowhand a la Costanza’s girlfriend to him: “You have no hand!”

    Disappointing indeed. 
    Never been a fan.

    Edit: And I just realized that these are the exact two artists I usually skip when watching The Last Waltz.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    dankind said:
    hedonist said:
    tbergs said:
    Meanwhile, these idiots released an anti mask song. I couldn't care less about Van, but Clapton disappoints me.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/eric-clapton-and-van-morrison-release-their-anti-mask-anthem
    I've read a few disappointing things about Clapton recently... him & Van Morrison are good company for each other. 
    Me to Slowhand a la Costanza’s girlfriend to him: “You have no hand!”

    Disappointing indeed. 
    Never been a fan.

    Edit: And I just realized that these are the exact two artists I usually skip when watching The Last Waltz.
    I don’t blame you when it comes to Van (though I do love a couple of his old songs). Clapton was always...there. A standard of sorts, for me. 

    Certainly won’t be the last time my affinity or respect for someone, celebrity or not, changes because of their views/actions. 
  • hedonist said:
    dankind said:
    hedonist said:
    tbergs said:
    Meanwhile, these idiots released an anti mask song. I couldn't care less about Van, but Clapton disappoints me.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/eric-clapton-and-van-morrison-release-their-anti-mask-anthem
    I've read a few disappointing things about Clapton recently... him & Van Morrison are good company for each other. 
    Me to Slowhand a la Costanza’s girlfriend to him: “You have no hand!”

    Disappointing indeed. 
    Never been a fan.

    Edit: And I just realized that these are the exact two artists I usually skip when watching The Last Waltz.
    I don’t blame you when it comes to Van (though I do love a couple of his old songs). Clapton was always...there. A standard of sorts, for me. 

    Certainly won’t be the last time my affinity or respect for someone, celebrity or not, changes because of their views/actions. 
    But will you wear a mask?
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Denmark has shut borders to UK. 

    I bet Sweden won't. 
    Sweden will.  8-9 months after everyone else.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,793
    Our college president is listening in on the WH coronavirus task force call and apparently Birx is saying CDC is going to reduce distancing restrictions to 3 ft. instead of 6.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Denmark has shut borders to UK. 

    I bet Sweden won't. 
    Sweden will.  8-9 months after everyone else.
    You're being generous. 
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    hedonist said:
    dankind said:
    hedonist said:
    tbergs said:
    Meanwhile, these idiots released an anti mask song. I couldn't care less about Van, but Clapton disappoints me.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/eric-clapton-and-van-morrison-release-their-anti-mask-anthem
    I've read a few disappointing things about Clapton recently... him & Van Morrison are good company for each other. 
    Me to Slowhand a la Costanza’s girlfriend to him: “You have no hand!”

    Disappointing indeed. 
    Never been a fan.

    Edit: And I just realized that these are the exact two artists I usually skip when watching The Last Waltz.
    I don’t blame you when it comes to Van (though I do love a couple of his old songs). Clapton was always...there. A standard of sorts, for me. 

    Certainly won’t be the last time my affinity or respect for someone, celebrity or not, changes because of their views/actions. 
    But will you wear a mask?
    I bask in my mask, baby!
  • hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    dankind said:
    hedonist said:
    tbergs said:
    Meanwhile, these idiots released an anti mask song. I couldn't care less about Van, but Clapton disappoints me.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/eric-clapton-and-van-morrison-release-their-anti-mask-anthem
    I've read a few disappointing things about Clapton recently... him & Van Morrison are good company for each other. 
    Me to Slowhand a la Costanza’s girlfriend to him: “You have no hand!”

    Disappointing indeed. 
    Never been a fan.

    Edit: And I just realized that these are the exact two artists I usually skip when watching The Last Waltz.
    I don’t blame you when it comes to Van (though I do love a couple of his old songs). Clapton was always...there. A standard of sorts, for me. 

    Certainly won’t be the last time my affinity or respect for someone, celebrity or not, changes because of their views/actions. 
    But will you wear a mask?
    I bask in my mask, baby!
    With a name like Hedonist, I'd take you to task in your mask and we'd have a blast, baby.
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