The coronavirus

OnWis97

SHZA said:

pjhawks said:

lindamarie73 said:

pjhawks said:

so in my County in Pa. more people over the age of 100 than those under the age of 45 have died from this virus.  Our governor wants to keep businesses closed until we get 50 or less cases per 100k residents for 2 weeks straight. Our county is loaded with nursing homes and a high percentage of the cases are in nursing homes.   sorry but keeping all these small businesses still closed when most of the cases are in nursing homes is insane. 

Be careful, thoughts like this are blasphemous around these parts.  Thou shall not question Science!!! Thomas Dolby warned us about this 30 years ago....

my issue with the current situation is i don't understand how we can allow every person to head to supermarkets and big box stores but can't have salons and barbershops and other small businesses open? makes no sense to me.

Being in close proximity for the time it takes to get a haircut has a higher transmission risk than passing by someone for a few seconds in a large store.  

We're also kinda stuck when it comes to supermarkets.  My first few trips were absolutely depressing/frightening experiences. I did not want to be there. I suppose I could have ordered, but I don't think that service has the capacity to serve everyone. (Now, it's gotten better; there's always one person/couple I want to strangle, usually mask-less and talking to each other or on the phone while standing over the produce I want to buy.  But most people are doing OK).

I'm not really commenting on what specifics are right/wrong, but I understand the rationale. 100 people (barring the "open everything" crowd) will have 100 different formulas for what should be opened and to what extent.

pjhawks

SHZA said:

pjhawks said:

lindamarie73 said:

pjhawks said:

so in my County in Pa. more people over the age of 100 than those under the age of 45 have died from this virus.  Our governor wants to keep businesses closed until we get 50 or less cases per 100k residents for 2 weeks straight. Our county is loaded with nursing homes and a high percentage of the cases are in nursing homes.   sorry but keeping all these small businesses still closed when most of the cases are in nursing homes is insane. 

Be careful, thoughts like this are blasphemous around these parts.  Thou shall not question Science!!! Thomas Dolby warned us about this 30 years ago....

my issue with the current situation is i don't understand how we can allow every person to head to supermarkets and big box stores but can't have salons and barbershops and other small businesses open? makes no sense to me.

Being in close proximity for the time it takes to get a haircut has a higher transmission risk than passing by someone for a few seconds in a large store.  

except your are not passing 'someone' in a large store. you are passing around 50 to 100 not to mention all the workers who are there on a daily basis. and i wasn't only referring to salons and barbers. lots of other small businesses not open yet.   

brianlux

We have a pretty smart and sensible crowd here- I really can't imagine many of us are not conscientious about this pandemic.  Sadly though,  there are those out there who treat it like a hoax or political strategy, so caution among strangers can't be over emphasized.  Stay safe and well, everyone. 

bbiggs

pjhawks said:

SHZA said:

pjhawks said:

lindamarie73 said:

pjhawks said:

so in my County in Pa. more people over the age of 100 than those under the age of 45 have died from this virus.  Our governor wants to keep businesses closed until we get 50 or less cases per 100k residents for 2 weeks straight. Our county is loaded with nursing homes and a high percentage of the cases are in nursing homes.   sorry but keeping all these small businesses still closed when most of the cases are in nursing homes is insane. 

Be careful, thoughts like this are blasphemous around these parts.  Thou shall not question Science!!! Thomas Dolby warned us about this 30 years ago....

my issue with the current situation is i don't understand how we can allow every person to head to supermarkets and big box stores but can't have salons and barbershops and other small businesses open? makes no sense to me.

Being in close proximity for the time it takes to get a haircut has a higher transmission risk than passing by someone for a few seconds in a large store.  

except your are not passing 'someone' in a large store. you are passing around 50 to 100 not to mention all the workers who are there on a daily basis. and i wasn't only referring to salons and barbers. lots of other small businesses not open yet.   

I've been thinking about which one presents more risk.  Walking through a jam packed grocery/ big box store with hundreds of people breathing and potentially coughing/sneezing or the one-on-one close contact of a haircut.  I know prolonged exposure in closed air environments increases risk, but grocery/ big box stores are also closed air with far more people.  I don't know that there's any more risk with getting a haircut, provided both people wear masks. 

brianlux

bbiggs said:

pjhawks said:

SHZA said:

pjhawks said:

lindamarie73 said:

pjhawks said:

so in my County in Pa. more people over the age of 100 than those under the age of 45 have died from this virus.  Our governor wants to keep businesses closed until we get 50 or less cases per 100k residents for 2 weeks straight. Our county is loaded with nursing homes and a high percentage of the cases are in nursing homes.   sorry but keeping all these small businesses still closed when most of the cases are in nursing homes is insane. 

Be careful, thoughts like this are blasphemous around these parts.  Thou shall not question Science!!! Thomas Dolby warned us about this 30 years ago....

my issue with the current situation is i don't understand how we can allow every person to head to supermarkets and big box stores but can't have salons and barbershops and other small businesses open? makes no sense to me.

Being in close proximity for the time it takes to get a haircut has a higher transmission risk than passing by someone for a few seconds in a large store.  

except your are not passing 'someone' in a large store. you are passing around 50 to 100 not to mention all the workers who are there on a daily basis. and i wasn't only referring to salons and barbers. lots of other small businesses not open yet.   

I've been thinking about which one presents more risk.  Walking through a jam packed grocery/ big box store with hundreds of people breathing and potentially coughing/sneezing or the one-on-one close contact of a haircut.  I know prolonged exposure in closed air environments increases risk, but grocery/ big box stores are also closed air with far more people.  I don't know that there's any more risk with getting a haircut, provided both people wear masks. 

We are very fortunate to have a grocery store (Raley's) that has what the call "e-cart".  We go on line, place our order, and select and day and time to pick up.  When the time comes, we go to a designated e-cart pickup area in the parking lot and call the e-cart number to let them know we are there.  They come out and load the groceries into the trunk.  All done for a nominal fee.   Other than our safe little co-op where we get some of our natural food and organic produce, I haven't been in a large grocery store since early March.  I hope others here have that option in their home town.

Lerxst1992

bbiggs said:

CDC now reports 35% of Covid-19 cases are asymptomatic and .4% of those who show signs of being sick will die.  The deaths from this disease are horrific, but .4% is a number that is far below what was being estimated just a short while ago (5 - 10 times less deadly).  That said, this is the same CDC that has been mixing viral test results with antibody test results, so interpret this estimate how you wish.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cdc-says-35percent-of-coronavirus-infections-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB14r1Ii?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Certain segments of the world population have been releasing studies that the actual case fatality rate (CFR) is less than half a percent, with the Streeck study being most infamous. That study was in March so this “short while ago” has actually been ongoing since the US has been reporting deaths.

Six weeks ago, the US actual CFR was 4.8% and a certain political community told us not to worry because testing capacity is limited to “only those being sick” and the real rate is well under 1% and similar to the common flu bug.

Six weeks later, any guess the actual CFR today? 

5.9%

as testing capacity went up and potentially included more than just the very ill, the actual death rate went up.

If that is truly the CDCs position, they are playing a deadly game of chance. Yesterday was one of the worst days for US deaths and new cases outside NY and it’s almost June. 

SHZA

pjhawks said:

SHZA said:

pjhawks said:

lindamarie73 said:

pjhawks said:

so in my County in Pa. more people over the age of 100 than those under the age of 45 have died from this virus.  Our governor wants to keep businesses closed until we get 50 or less cases per 100k residents for 2 weeks straight. Our county is loaded with nursing homes and a high percentage of the cases are in nursing homes.   sorry but keeping all these small businesses still closed when most of the cases are in nursing homes is insane. 

Be careful, thoughts like this are blasphemous around these parts.  Thou shall not question Science!!! Thomas Dolby warned us about this 30 years ago....

my issue with the current situation is i don't understand how we can allow every person to head to supermarkets and big box stores but can't have salons and barbershops and other small businesses open? makes no sense to me.

Being in close proximity for the time it takes to get a haircut has a higher transmission risk than passing by someone for a few seconds in a large store.  

except your are not passing 'someone' in a large store. you are passing around 50 to 100 not to mention all the workers who are there on a daily basis. and i wasn't only referring to salons and barbers. lots of other small businesses not open yet.   

I could be 1,000 people in the store. Unless someone sneezes in your face, those are low-risk encounters compared to being in close proximity for an extended period with just one other person. 

bbiggs

Lerxst1992 said:

bbiggs said:

CDC now reports 35% of Covid-19 cases are asymptomatic and .4% of those who show signs of being sick will die.  The deaths from this disease are horrific, but .4% is a number that is far below what was being estimated just a short while ago (5 - 10 times less deadly).  That said, this is the same CDC that has been mixing viral test results with antibody test results, so interpret this estimate how you wish.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cdc-says-35percent-of-coronavirus-infections-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB14r1Ii?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Certain segments of the world population have been releasing studies that the actual case fatality rate (CFR) is less than half a percent, with the Streeck study being most infamous. That study was in March so this “short while ago” has actually been ongoing since the US has been reporting deaths.

Six weeks ago, the US actual CFR was 4.8% and a certain political community told us not to worry because testing capacity is limited to “only those being sick” and the real rate is well under 1% and similar to the common flu bug.

Six weeks later, any guess the actual CFR today? 

5.9%

as testing capacity went up and potentially included more than just the very ill, the actual death rate went up.

If that is truly the CDCs position, they are playing a deadly game of chance. Yesterday was one of the worst days for US deaths and new cases outside NY and it’s almost June. 

Just going off the CDC data.  I posted the link for reference.  Not saying it is right or wrong as I think most data being reported is skewed, but not just by the CDC.  I take all data with a large grain of salt.

bbiggs

brianlux said:

bbiggs said:

pjhawks said:

SHZA said:

pjhawks said:

lindamarie73 said:

pjhawks said:

so in my County in Pa. more people over the age of 100 than those under the age of 45 have died from this virus.  Our governor wants to keep businesses closed until we get 50 or less cases per 100k residents for 2 weeks straight. Our county is loaded with nursing homes and a high percentage of the cases are in nursing homes.   sorry but keeping all these small businesses still closed when most of the cases are in nursing homes is insane. 

Be careful, thoughts like this are blasphemous around these parts.  Thou shall not question Science!!! Thomas Dolby warned us about this 30 years ago....

my issue with the current situation is i don't understand how we can allow every person to head to supermarkets and big box stores but can't have salons and barbershops and other small businesses open? makes no sense to me.

Being in close proximity for the time it takes to get a haircut has a higher transmission risk than passing by someone for a few seconds in a large store.  

except your are not passing 'someone' in a large store. you are passing around 50 to 100 not to mention all the workers who are there on a daily basis. and i wasn't only referring to salons and barbers. lots of other small businesses not open yet.   

I've been thinking about which one presents more risk.  Walking through a jam packed grocery/ big box store with hundreds of people breathing and potentially coughing/sneezing or the one-on-one close contact of a haircut.  I know prolonged exposure in closed air environments increases risk, but grocery/ big box stores are also closed air with far more people.  I don't know that there's any more risk with getting a haircut, provided both people wear masks. 

We are very fortunate to have a grocery store (Raley's) that has what the call "e-cart".  We go on line, place our order, and select and day and time to pick up.  When the time comes, we go to a designated e-cart pickup area in the parking lot and call the e-cart number to let them know we are there.  They come out and load the groceries into the trunk.  All done for a nominal fee.   Other than our safe little co-op where we get some of our natural food and organic produce, I haven't been in a large grocery store since early March.  I hope others here have that option in their home town.

This is great.  Walmart is even offering this service and we have used it numerous times for certain grocery needs.  The less in store visits, the better, but we are going in when needed.

mfc2006

I hope everyone is doing well. Have a good weekend, all.

cblock4life

bbiggs said:

My wife is a small business owner (hair stylist) and will be back up and running June 1.  The owner of the building has put all necessary precautionary measures in place with the stylists, who all operate their own business in their own salon suite space.  Stylists and customers must wear masks 100% of the time.  Disinfect chair, sink, equipment, etc. in between every customer.  Only one person at a time in each suite.  You obviously cannot be 6 feet apart, but with both parties wearing masks, it reduces the potential for transmission significantly.  There's some level of risk, but hopefully things go well with the proper precautions being taken.

I’m happy that she is able to reopen and it sounds like the proper precautions are in place.  I hope everything goes well and that everyone stays safe and healthy and that her business thrives. 

bbiggs

cblock4life said:

bbiggs said:

My wife is a small business owner (hair stylist) and will be back up and running June 1.  The owner of the building has put all necessary precautionary measures in place with the stylists, who all operate their own business in their own salon suite space.  Stylists and customers must wear masks 100% of the time.  Disinfect chair, sink, equipment, etc. in between every customer.  Only one person at a time in each suite.  You obviously cannot be 6 feet apart, but with both parties wearing masks, it reduces the potential for transmission significantly.  There's some level of risk, but hopefully things go well with the proper precautions being taken.

I’m happy that she is able to reopen and it sounds like the proper precautions are in place.  I hope everything goes well and that everyone stays safe and healthy and that her business thrives. 

Thank you. I hope so too. Health is priority #1. 

F Me In The Brain

Just saw the Gump is declaring Houses of Worship as essential and demanding they be allowed to open.

Is Criss Angel essential, then?

What about Satanic Temples, would those be ok to open?

What a joke.  We deserve what we are getting (and will continue to get) for allowing this imbecile to become President here in the US.

jeffbr

F Me In The Brain said:

Just saw the Gump is declaring Houses of Worship as essential and demanding they be allowed to open.

Is Criss Angel essential, then?

What about Satanic Temples, would those be ok to open?

What a joke.  We deserve what we are getting (and will continue to get) for allowing this imbecile to become President here in the US.

No biggie. Their magic sky daddy will protect them... Wait, isn't it their magic sky daddy who delivered this plague or at the very least allowed it? It's all very confusing.

Halifax2TheMax

jeffbr said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Just saw the Gump is declaring Houses of Worship as essential and demanding they be allowed to open.

Is Criss Angel essential, then?

What about Satanic Temples, would those be ok to open?

What a joke.  We deserve what we are getting (and will continue to get) for allowing this imbecile to become President here in the US.

No biggie. Their magic sky daddy will protect them... Wait, isn't it their magic sky daddy who delivered this plague or at the very least allowed it? It's all very confusing.

94,563 sinners thus far with more to follow.

mrussel1

The leader of the free world doesn't know what 'per capita' means.  I wonder if his supporters do.  This is real and scary. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-meeting-governor-hutchinson-arkansas-governor-kelly-kansas/

THE PRESIDENT: But when you do 14 million tests, you’re going to find more cases. If instead of 14 million tests we did 3 million — like, Germany is at about 3 million; South Korea is at 3 million, and they’ve done a very good job. It’s not a knock, but we’re at almost 14 million. We’re going to be passing 14 million very soon.

So you’re going to have more tests. If we do 3 million, everyone would say, “Oh, we’re doing great,” you know, in terms of cases. We’re going to have more cases. If we did 3 million — maybe that’s what we should’ve done. I said — if I would’ve done 3 million, they’d say, “Oh, they have very few cases. United States is doing well.”

We’re finding a lot of people. By doing testing, you’re finding people. So we’re doing 14, Germany is doing 3, South Korea doing 3, and I think they’re number two and three. So we’re way ahead of everybody. But when you do that, you have more cases. So a lot of times, the fake news media will say, “You know, there are a lot of cases in the United States.” Well, if we didn’t do testing at a level that nobody has ever dreamt possible, you wouldn’t have very many cases

Q How does our testing compare per capita —

THE PRESIDENT: Sure.

Q — to those nations?

THE PRESIDENT: And, you know, when you say “per capita,” there’s many per capitas. It’s, like, per capita relative to what? But you can look at just about any category, and we’re really at the top, meaning positive on a per capita basis, too. They’ve done a great job.

brianlux

This is some people's idea of "freedom"?  What fools would run an operation like this?  And who want want to shop in such a place?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/22/us-stores-against-face-masks

No masks allowed: stores turn customers away in US culture war

Shops around the US make headlines for denying entry to those wearing masks as protesters argue against preventative measures in the name of freedom

static111

brianlux said:

This is some people's idea of "freedom"?  What fools would run an operation like this?  And who want want to shop in such a place?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/22/us-stores-against-face-masks

No masks allowed: stores turn customers away in US culture war

Shops around the US make headlines for denying entry to those wearing masks as protesters argue against preventative measures in the name of freedom

We’re doomed

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

The leader of the free world doesn't know what 'per capita' means.  I wonder if his supporters do.  This is real and scary. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-meeting-governor-hutchinson-arkansas-governor-kelly-kansas/

THE PRESIDENT: But when you do 14 million tests, you’re going to find more cases. If instead of 14 million tests we did 3 million — like, Germany is at about 3 million; South Korea is at 3 million, and they’ve done a very good job. It’s not a knock, but we’re at almost 14 million. We’re going to be passing 14 million very soon.

So you’re going to have more tests. If we do 3 million, everyone would say, “Oh, we’re doing great,” you know, in terms of cases. We’re going to have more cases. If we did 3 million — maybe that’s what we should’ve done. I said — if I would’ve done 3 million, they’d say, “Oh, they have very few cases. United States is doing well.”

We’re finding a lot of people. By doing testing, you’re finding people. So we’re doing 14, Germany is doing 3, South Korea doing 3, and I think they’re number two and three. So we’re way ahead of everybody. But when you do that, you have more cases. So a lot of times, the fake news media will say, “You know, there are a lot of cases in the United States.” Well, if we didn’t do testing at a level that nobody has ever dreamt possible, you wouldn’t have very many cases

Q How does our testing compare per capita —

THE PRESIDENT: Sure.

Q — to those nations?

THE PRESIDENT: And, you know, when you say “per capita,” there’s many per capitas. It’s, like, per capita relative to what? But you can look at just about any category, and we’re really at the top, meaning positive on a per capita basis, too. They’ve done a great job.

And people believe Team Trump Treason got into and graduated from UPenn’s School of Business based upon being a very stable genius.

brianlux

static111 said:

brianlux said:

This is some people's idea of "freedom"?  What fools would run an operation like this?  And who want want to shop in such a place?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/22/us-stores-against-face-masks

No masks allowed: stores turn customers away in US culture war

Shops around the US make headlines for denying entry to those wearing masks as protesters argue against preventative measures in the name of freedom

We’re doomed

It's bad.

Here's more stupid in America:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/22/coronavirus-us-live-trump-holiday-weekend-latest-news-updates?page=with:block-5ec811498f0864e579f161be#block-5ec811498f0864e579f161be

Coronavirus US live: Trump demands churches, synagogues and mosques reopen 'right now'