lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.
But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.
My sisters kids too.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
Yes! I love it.
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community? I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
I remember reading some lame ass WAPO opinion from the "open the schools now" public health crowd, where they shared this mind boggling data supposedly to support their argument -- in communities where schools are closed, spread is low. In communities where school is open, spread is high. In my family, we would say "No shit Sherlock" when faced with this type of data.
I'm not of any opinion whatsoever about school being open or closed. I will do my job to the best of my ability wherever they tell me to go. I just wish people would quit pretending that this is about anything but parents needing babysitters and playmates for their kids. It has nothing to do with learning.
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I can tell you that my colleague-friends who are back in buildings are not accomplishing any more in their classrooms than I'm accomplishing at home on the computer because of the disruptions and the stress. All I've heard from "professional developers" over the past decade is that "kids can't learn if they don't feel safe." So now we throw them in a building where nobody feels safe. Sure. Gotcha. I will remember that at my next training on social-emotional learning.
I disagree 100% based solely on what I have witnessed in grades k-8. In person teaching is the way to go; teaching via zoom is total garbage. What disruptions are you seeing?
Thanks for calling my work over Zoom with middle school students "garbage." Tell that to my student who show up every single day -- one of whom was temporarily homeless through this, dialing in from a fucking hotel room and still reading, writing, passing the same quizzes and projects I would give in class. I'm working into the night hours creating engaging presentation, learning all kinds of ways to get them to participate. And because of some tools like chat and polls, I can guarantee a response from every singe child instead of waiting for the same damn kid to raise her hand like I used to in a classroom during a discussion. We still get to do group work in break out rooms, which you said you don't. So -- Thanks again, for calling my work garbage. Notice I didn't say that about you or anyone else who loves being in their school building right now.
You yourself, in a post pages back, spoke of being hemmed into a corner of your classroom behind a protective shield, with teachers stressed the fuck out and having panic attacks in your building. You yourself said kids do no group work, don't leave the room, not even to eat. You don't call that a disruption? I've got two friends in buildings (one private and one public) doing the "concurrent model" where they're teaching kids in the room while kids at home are dialed in -- they don't know who's coming and going; half the time they can't attend to the kids online while they work with kids in the room. They're dressed to the nines in protective gear, "hearing" about cases that are NOT getting reported. You don't call that disruptive? I'm not saying it's garbage, but it ain't fucking normal.
We're all making the most out of a really shitty situation. Instead of disparaging each other, and attacking teachers working from home -- who by the way, don't make the fucking decision to open or close schools --, we ought to recognize that it's hard for everybody, nobody wants to be doing what we're doing -- in school or at home.
As everything else goes with this pandemic, all that matters is ME, ME, ME. MY kid. MY family. MY job. MY opinion. Okay. I get it. Carry on with your life and leave the judgment about everyone else alone. Because my students are working their asses off, their families are doing the best they can to support them and me, and it's not garbage.
Whether it’s good for kids to be in the classroom or not can be debated endlessly. The kids getting 100% remote learning are not getting the same quality of education though. Especially at the elementary level. As a parent, that part is troubling.
Well there is a teacher here who will rant and rave about us fucking parents who want babysitters or friends for our kids.
Of course I agree with you -- and our schools have not opened back up, although try #3 is set for Tuesday of this week. (They stood down for the first two tries the day prior, so we expect to see an announcement on Monday.)
Worth mentioning that we elected (and still elect) to keep our child home from school and to forsake the babysitters and playmates.
It is pretty tough, really -- I mean, free babysitting and playmates are super tough to get past.
For us, it does not make sense to put ourselves at risk when we know we cannot trust everyone in the community to try and be safe and follow rules and send their kids to school. I don't think that the teachers should be exposed to the children of morons, either.
Many parents disagree with us and do follow the rules -- I do believe that many do want to have their kids back in because they want them to be in the best learning environment. These are parents who also work with their kids and enroll their kids in extra stuff like kumon.
Damn. Free babysitting, though. It would be great. Us parents are such fools.
I ll teach your kids, in exchange you can send me scotch, pizza and ketel one.
What a deal!
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Whether it’s good for kids to be in the classroom or not can be debated endlessly. The kids getting 100% remote learning are not getting the same quality of education though. Especially at the elementary level. As a parent, that part is troubling.
Well there is a teacher here who will rant and rave about us fucking parents who want babysitters or friends for our kids.
Of course I agree with you -- and our schools have not opened back up, although try #3 is set for Tuesday of this week. (They stood down for the first two tries the day prior, so we expect to see an announcement on Monday.)
Worth mentioning that we elected (and still elect) to keep our child home from school and to forsake the babysitters and playmates.
It is pretty tough, really -- I mean, free babysitting and playmates are super tough to get past.
For us, it does not make sense to put ourselves at risk when we know we cannot trust everyone in the community to try and be safe and follow rules and send their kids to school. I don't think that the teachers should be exposed to the children of morons, either.
Many parents disagree with us and do follow the rules -- I do believe that many do want to have their kids back in because they want them to be in the best learning environment. These are parents who also work with their kids and enroll their kids in extra stuff like kumon.
Damn. Free babysitting, though. It would be great. Us parents are such fools.
I ll teach your kids, in exchange you can send me scotch, pizza and ketel one.
Hahaha. Nice. You know how to do it - undoubtedly would do better than we do. Luckily he is pretty bright and once he focuses he does the work fairly easily
lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.
But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.
My sisters kids too.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
Yes! I love it.
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community? I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
I remember reading some lame ass WAPO opinion from the "open the schools now" public health crowd, where they shared this mind boggling data supposedly to support their argument -- in communities where schools are closed, spread is low. In communities where school is open, spread is high. In my family, we would say "No shit Sherlock" when faced with this type of data.
I'm not of any opinion whatsoever about school being open or closed. I will do my job to the best of my ability wherever they tell me to go. I just wish people would quit pretending that this is about anything but parents needing babysitters and playmates for their kids. It has nothing to do with learning.
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I can tell you that my colleague-friends who are back in buildings are not accomplishing any more in their classrooms than I'm accomplishing at home on the computer because of the disruptions and the stress. All I've heard from "professional developers" over the past decade is that "kids can't learn if they don't feel safe." So now we throw them in a building where nobody feels safe. Sure. Gotcha. I will remember that at my next training on social-emotional learning.
I disagree 100% based solely on what I have witnessed in grades k-8. In person teaching is the way to go; teaching via zoom is total garbage. What disruptions are you seeing?
Thanks for calling my work over Zoom with middle school students "garbage." Tell that to my student who show up every single day -- one of whom was temporarily homeless through this, dialing in from a fucking hotel room and still reading, writing, passing the same quizzes and projects I would give in class. I'm working into the night hours creating engaging presentation, learning all kinds of ways to get them to participate. And because of some tools like chat and polls, I can guarantee a response from every singe child instead of waiting for the same damn kid to raise her hand like I used to in a classroom during a discussion. We still get to do group work in break out rooms, which you said you don't. So -- Thanks again, for calling my work garbage. Notice I didn't say that about you or anyone else who loves being in their school building right now.
You yourself, in a post pages back, spoke of being hemmed into a corner of your classroom behind a protective shield, with teachers stressed the fuck out and having panic attacks in your building. You yourself said kids do no group work, don't leave the room, not even to eat. You don't call that a disruption? I've got two friends in buildings (one private and one public) doing the "concurrent model" where they're teaching kids in the room while kids at home are dialed in -- they don't know who's coming and going; half the time they can't attend to the kids online while they work with kids in the room. They're dressed to the nines in protective gear, "hearing" about cases that are NOT getting reported. You don't call that disruptive? I'm not saying it's garbage, but it ain't fucking normal.
We're all making the most out of a really shitty situation. Instead of disparaging each other, and attacking teachers working from home -- who by the way, don't make the fucking decision to open or close schools --, we ought to recognize that it's hard for everybody, nobody wants to be doing what we're doing -- in school or at home.
As everything else goes with this pandemic, all that matters is ME, ME, ME. MY kid. MY family. MY job. MY opinion. Okay. I get it. Carry on with your life and leave the judgment about everyone else alone. Because my students are working their asses off, their families are doing the best they can to support them and me, and it's not garbage.
Perhaps you could go for a walk or find something relaxing today. Seems that might be beneficial for you based on what we are reading here. It is a tough situation for all and everyone is stressed out. Your scenario is one that sounds like is working for some kids and that is good
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Whether it’s good for kids to be in the classroom or not can be debated endlessly. The kids getting 100% remote learning are not getting the same quality of education though. Especially at the elementary level. As a parent, that part is troubling.
Well there is a teacher here who will rant and rave about us fucking parents who want babysitters or friends for our kids.
Of course I agree with you -- and our schools have not opened back up, although try #3 is set for Tuesday of this week. (They stood down for the first two tries the day prior, so we expect to see an announcement on Monday.)
Worth mentioning that we elected (and still elect) to keep our child home from school and to forsake the babysitters and playmates.
It is pretty tough, really -- I mean, free babysitting and playmates are super tough to get past.
For us, it does not make sense to put ourselves at risk when we know we cannot trust everyone in the community to try and be safe and follow rules and send their kids to school. I don't think that the teachers should be exposed to the children of morons, either.
Many parents disagree with us and do follow the rules -- I do believe that many do want to have their kids back in because they want them to be in the best learning environment. These are parents who also work with their kids and enroll their kids in extra stuff like kumon.
Damn. Free babysitting, though. It would be great. Us parents are such fools.
I ll teach your kids, in exchange you can send me scotch, pizza and ketel one.
What a deal!
Easy - Celeste's....kentucky gentleman "scotch product" and an airline bottle of Ketel One.
lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.
But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.
My sisters kids too.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
Yes! I love it.
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community? I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
I remember reading some lame ass WAPO opinion from the "open the schools now" public health crowd, where they shared this mind boggling data supposedly to support their argument -- in communities where schools are closed, spread is low. In communities where school is open, spread is high. In my family, we would say "No shit Sherlock" when faced with this type of data.
I'm not of any opinion whatsoever about school being open or closed. I will do my job to the best of my ability wherever they tell me to go. I just wish people would quit pretending that this is about anything but parents needing babysitters and playmates for their kids. It has nothing to do with learning.
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I can tell you that my colleague-friends who are back in buildings are not accomplishing any more in their classrooms than I'm accomplishing at home on the computer because of the disruptions and the stress. All I've heard from "professional developers" over the past decade is that "kids can't learn if they don't feel safe." So now we throw them in a building where nobody feels safe. Sure. Gotcha. I will remember that at my next training on social-emotional learning.
I disagree 100% based solely on what I have witnessed in grades k-8. In person teaching is the way to go; teaching via zoom is total garbage. What disruptions are you seeing?
Thanks for calling my work over Zoom with middle school students "garbage." Tell that to my student who show up every single day -- one of whom was temporarily homeless through this, dialing in from a fucking hotel room and still reading, writing, passing the same quizzes and projects I would give in class. I'm working into the night hours creating engaging presentation, learning all kinds of ways to get them to participate. And because of some tools like chat and polls, I can guarantee a response from every singe child instead of waiting for the same damn kid to raise her hand like I used to in a classroom during a discussion. We still get to do group work in break out rooms, which you said you don't. So -- Thanks again, for calling my work garbage. Notice I didn't say that about you or anyone else who loves being in their school building right now.
You yourself, in a post pages back, spoke of being hemmed into a corner of your classroom behind a protective shield, with teachers stressed the fuck out and having panic attacks in your building. You yourself said kids do no group work, don't leave the room, not even to eat. You don't call that a disruption? I've got two friends in buildings (one private and one public) doing the "concurrent model" where they're teaching kids in the room while kids at home are dialed in -- they don't know who's coming and going; half the time they can't attend to the kids online while they work with kids in the room. They're dressed to the nines in protective gear, "hearing" about cases that are NOT getting reported. You don't call that disruptive? I'm not saying it's garbage, but it ain't fucking normal.
We're all making the most out of a really shitty situation. Instead of disparaging each other, and attacking teachers working from home -- who by the way, don't make the fucking decision to open or close schools --, we ought to recognize that it's hard for everybody, nobody wants to be doing what we're doing -- in school or at home.
As everything else goes with this pandemic, all that matters is ME, ME, ME. MY kid. MY family. MY job. MY opinion. Okay. I get it. Carry on with your life and leave the judgment about everyone else alone. Because my students are working their asses off, their families are doing the best they can to support them and me, and it's not garbage.
We all are planning and trying to adjust in these crazy times. Yeah I m in a corner in my classroom which totally sucks but I make it work. I make the kids laugh, I teach the curriculum, I hold them accountable and at the end of the day I really do believe I do a kick ass job. I still think teaching via zoom is garbage as compared to the real deal. (I do both at the same time.) I see myself as jimmy Fallon lol.
lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.
But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.
My sisters kids too.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
Yes! I love it.
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community? I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
I remember reading some lame ass WAPO opinion from the "open the schools now" public health crowd, where they shared this mind boggling data supposedly to support their argument -- in communities where schools are closed, spread is low. In communities where school is open, spread is high. In my family, we would say "No shit Sherlock" when faced with this type of data.
I'm not of any opinion whatsoever about school being open or closed. I will do my job to the best of my ability wherever they tell me to go. I just wish people would quit pretending that this is about anything but parents needing babysitters and playmates for their kids. It has nothing to do with learning.
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I can tell you that my colleague-friends who are back in buildings are not accomplishing any more in their classrooms than I'm accomplishing at home on the computer because of the disruptions and the stress. All I've heard from "professional developers" over the past decade is that "kids can't learn if they don't feel safe." So now we throw them in a building where nobody feels safe. Sure. Gotcha. I will remember that at my next training on social-emotional learning.
I disagree 100% based solely on what I have witnessed in grades k-8. In person teaching is the way to go; teaching via zoom is total garbage. What disruptions are you seeing?
Thanks for calling my work over Zoom with middle school students "garbage." Tell that to my student who show up every single day -- one of whom was temporarily homeless through this, dialing in from a fucking hotel room and still reading, writing, passing the same quizzes and projects I would give in class. I'm working into the night hours creating engaging presentation, learning all kinds of ways to get them to participate. And because of some tools like chat and polls, I can guarantee a response from every singe child instead of waiting for the same damn kid to raise her hand like I used to in a classroom during a discussion. We still get to do group work in break out rooms, which you said you don't. So -- Thanks again, for calling my work garbage. Notice I didn't say that about you or anyone else who loves being in their school building right now.
You yourself, in a post pages back, spoke of being hemmed into a corner of your classroom behind a protective shield, with teachers stressed the fuck out and having panic attacks in your building. You yourself said kids do no group work, don't leave the room, not even to eat. You don't call that a disruption? I've got two friends in buildings (one private and one public) doing the "concurrent model" where they're teaching kids in the room while kids at home are dialed in -- they don't know who's coming and going; half the time they can't attend to the kids online while they work with kids in the room. They're dressed to the nines in protective gear, "hearing" about cases that are NOT getting reported. You don't call that disruptive? I'm not saying it's garbage, but it ain't fucking normal.
We're all making the most out of a really shitty situation. Instead of disparaging each other, and attacking teachers working from home -- who by the way, don't make the fucking decision to open or close schools --, we ought to recognize that it's hard for everybody, nobody wants to be doing what we're doing -- in school or at home.
As everything else goes with this pandemic, all that matters is ME, ME, ME. MY kid. MY family. MY job. MY opinion. Okay. I get it. Carry on with your life and leave the judgment about everyone else alone. Because my students are working their asses off, their families are doing the best they can to support them and me, and it's not garbage.
We all are planning and trying to adjust in these crazy times. Yeah I m in a corner in my classroom which totally sucks but I make it work. I make the kids laugh, I teach the curriculum, I hold them accountable and at the end of the day I really do believe I do a kick ass job. I still think teaching via zoom is garbage as compared to the real deal. (I do both at the same time.) I see myself as jimmy Fallon lol.
Well congratulations, you are so much better than all the rest of us. I'll remember to tell more jokes, teach the curriculum, and hold kids accountable moving forward.
Whether it’s good for kids to be in the classroom or not can be debated endlessly. The kids getting 100% remote learning are not getting the same quality of education though. Especially at the elementary level. As a parent, that part is troubling.
Well there is a teacher here who will rant and rave about us fucking parents who want babysitters or friends for our kids.
Of course I agree with you -- and our schools have not opened back up, although try #3 is set for Tuesday of this week. (They stood down for the first two tries the day prior, so we expect to see an announcement on Monday.)
Worth mentioning that we elected (and still elect) to keep our child home from school and to forsake the babysitters and playmates.
It is pretty tough, really -- I mean, free babysitting and playmates are super tough to get past.
For us, it does not make sense to put ourselves at risk when we know we cannot trust everyone in the community to try and be safe and follow rules and send their kids to school. I don't think that the teachers should be exposed to the children of morons, either.
Many parents disagree with us and do follow the rules -- I do believe that many do want to have their kids back in because they want them to be in the best learning environment. These are parents who also work with their kids and enroll their kids in extra stuff like kumon.
Damn. Free babysitting, though. It would be great. Us parents are such fools.
I ll teach your kids, in exchange you can send me scotch, pizza and ketel one.
What a deal!
Easy - Celeste's....kentucky gentleman "scotch product" and an airline bottle of Ketel One.
lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.
But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.
My sisters kids too.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
Yes! I love it.
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community? I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
But how and where it spreads is important within the context of schools being opened or closed. Again if there are 4 cases and they were not spread at school that is very noteworthy. They did not get it at the school therefore schools being opened did not have an impact on anyone outside of the schools getting it as well as you stated. Thats all I am trying to say and that is an important point when saying that kids are taking it home and getting others sick as you did.
I should clarify that I think this is happening in other schools for sure just this example however I do not see it.
I remember reading some lame ass WAPO opinion from the "open the schools now" public health crowd, where they shared this mind boggling data supposedly to support their argument -- in communities where schools are closed, spread is low. In communities where school is open, spread is high. In my family, we would say "No shit Sherlock" when faced with this type of data.
I'm not of any opinion whatsoever about school being open or closed. I will do my job to the best of my ability wherever they tell me to go. I just wish people would quit pretending that this is about anything but parents needing babysitters and playmates for their kids. It has nothing to do with learning.
Since we're sharing anecdotes, I can tell you that my colleague-friends who are back in buildings are not accomplishing any more in their classrooms than I'm accomplishing at home on the computer because of the disruptions and the stress. All I've heard from "professional developers" over the past decade is that "kids can't learn if they don't feel safe." So now we throw them in a building where nobody feels safe. Sure. Gotcha. I will remember that at my next training on social-emotional learning.
I disagree 100% based solely on what I have witnessed in grades k-8. In person teaching is the way to go; teaching via zoom is total garbage. What disruptions are you seeing?
Thanks for calling my work over Zoom with middle school students "garbage." Tell that to my student who show up every single day -- one of whom was temporarily homeless through this, dialing in from a fucking hotel room and still reading, writing, passing the same quizzes and projects I would give in class. I'm working into the night hours creating engaging presentation, learning all kinds of ways to get them to participate. And because of some tools like chat and polls, I can guarantee a response from every singe child instead of waiting for the same damn kid to raise her hand like I used to in a classroom during a discussion. We still get to do group work in break out rooms, which you said you don't. So -- Thanks again, for calling my work garbage. Notice I didn't say that about you or anyone else who loves being in their school building right now.
You yourself, in a post pages back, spoke of being hemmed into a corner of your classroom behind a protective shield, with teachers stressed the fuck out and having panic attacks in your building. You yourself said kids do no group work, don't leave the room, not even to eat. You don't call that a disruption? I've got two friends in buildings (one private and one public) doing the "concurrent model" where they're teaching kids in the room while kids at home are dialed in -- they don't know who's coming and going; half the time they can't attend to the kids online while they work with kids in the room. They're dressed to the nines in protective gear, "hearing" about cases that are NOT getting reported. You don't call that disruptive? I'm not saying it's garbage, but it ain't fucking normal.
We're all making the most out of a really shitty situation. Instead of disparaging each other, and attacking teachers working from home -- who by the way, don't make the fucking decision to open or close schools --, we ought to recognize that it's hard for everybody, nobody wants to be doing what we're doing -- in school or at home.
As everything else goes with this pandemic, all that matters is ME, ME, ME. MY kid. MY family. MY job. MY opinion. Okay. I get it. Carry on with your life and leave the judgment about everyone else alone. Because my students are working their asses off, their families are doing the best they can to support them and me, and it's not garbage.
I don’t agree with what dreams often, so I will take the time to back her up on this. Online learning is not garbage! Our 9 year old is learning more things faster especially when it comes to math with online than she ever did with in class. All of the distractions are removed so all she pays attention to are her great teachers. The kids have 15 minutes between each class to chat play games etc and when the next class started the control goes back to the teachers. Our daughter is safe. Then after school and weekends we get to set up play dates with friends and parents we know we can trust, everyone meets at a park and we adults oversee that the kids wear masks and social distance while we do the same.
I’m going to agree with What Dreams again on the point that other than extenuating circumstances, returning kids to school in person is all about babysitting. Parents are forced to go to work in person because they can’t afford not to, and child care is an additional expense many can’t afford. I do t think it’s selfish I think it’s about economic survival.
What Dreams, Mcgruff and all the rest of the teachers you are doing great work...try not to disparage each other or fall into believing that the way you do it is the only way.
The reality of in school/on-line education is that every child learns differently so neither is better or worse. What matters is that you all are doing kiss ass jobs as are healthcare workers. Our stress multiplied by 25-30 students, I couldn’t do it. Congratulate each other and try to hang in there. Things are looking up already....and thanks to all teachers.
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The reality of in school/on-line education is that every child learns differently so neither is better or worse. What matters is that you all are doing kiss ass jobs as are healthcare workers. Our stress multiplied by 25-30 students, I couldn’t do it. Congratulate each other and try to hang in there. Things are looking up already....and thanks to all teachers.
School faculties have been the MVP of the pandemic. Lucky to live in a relatively unaffected area, especially with the ratio of asshats to people that give a shit, but they’ve kept us doing in person learning since day 1. Dams about to break but they’ve overcome some fairly significant challenges and stayed on top of things better than anyone should expect. My sister and brother in law are smack dab in the middle of their success and I couldn’t be prouder.
Meanwhile, my ignorant sister in law is fanning the flames of conspiracy with a moronic fb post about her pre surgery Covid test. First test came back positive so surgery was rescheduled. Her new surgery date is approaching so she had to take another and the nurse administering it told it would be positive so her single case of Covid now counts as two. Meanwhile, the general thinking and private(but not so secret) messaging has been avoid tests if at all possible.
One message I have consistently communicated to my students from day one: Don't believe for one minute that your future is ruined because of this temporary setback. People are trying to make us all believe your life is destined for failure because you'relearning online. It is not. Now roll up your sleeves and get to work on your dreams.
What a horrible message to send our kids, this crap we're hearing about open vs online schools and how much who is learning vs the other. To hear other teachers saying it is mind boggling to me. Our kids are listening to every word we say. What are they hearing in your homes, in your neighborhoods, on their devices? Quit telling them, if you are, that they're permanently screwed. They are not.
Yes, I'm stressed out, but surprisingly it's not my actual teaching responsibilities causing it. I can't stand one more day of the doom and gloom coming from the naysayers, everywhere you turn. The positive words of encouragement I just heard here are the first since last April when everyone finally understood the challenge of getting their little cupcake to sit still for longer than 10 minutes. Most of that appreciation seems to have eroded, in general. But thanks to the above. It really, really helps
the remote learning my kids did from march to june last year had its challenges, and their teachers were outstanding. however, i think what mcgruff is saying, and i agree with, you can't substitute in class learning for kids that age. yes, depending on region and needs, it's a necessity, but it's still his right to have the opinion that online learning is garbage, because honestly, it's not really comparable to in class. it wasn't an insult to those who are tasked with doing it. just the format.
i'm not sure where all this "doom and gloom" messaging is coming from, i haven't heard it where we are.
No, it is not comparable. It is different. Being different doesn't mean one is garbage and the other is not. And sorry, no, I will not get behind your spin that the word garbage, when describing somone's work, isn't an insult.
You may not hear the doom and gloom because you do not follow the same discussions I follow. Every argument I hear for opening up schools is laced with it.
No, it is not comparable. It is different. Being different doesn't mean one is garbage and the other is not. And sorry, no, I will not get behind your spin that the word garbage, when describing somone's work, isn't an insult.
You may not hear the doom and gloom because you do not follow the same discussions I follow. Every argument I hear for opening up schools is laced with it.
it probably isn't worth getting into it, but mcgruff is also a teacher, as you know. he was describing his own experience. he wasn't describing your work.
lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour.
Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.
But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.
I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults. In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.
everything i've seen over the course of the last several months, now admittedly, this is limited to my daughters and their classmates/friends, the kids are doing amazingly well and are being way better about it than the adults i've encountered.
maybe it's a canadian thing.
My school is the same way. Maybe it s a Winnipeg/New Jersey thing.
My sisters kids too.
Maybe it's a Winnipeg/New Jersey/Trollhättan thing
Yes! I love it.
In BC the schools are doing really well too. The kids have been back since September and there have been scattered, minimal cases and no outbreaks. The evidence that we have keeps showing that community spread is happening most in restaurants, bars and gyms. There are solid grounds to shut down those places and keep schools running.
Same in nj. As a teacher and parent I hope and pray the governor does not shut down schools again. I think we have had four cases in our school (1200 students plus around 85 faculty members).
Exponential spread. Four cases in your school (that you know of) turns into how many in the community? I'm not disputing anyone's preference for schools being open or closed, or the reasons why. I'm just questioning why we would minimize the math when we know four cases doesn't stop at four cases.
You really can't look at it that way though since you do not know where they got it from. Yes obviously if they got it from another kid in class and spread it to their family and then to others then that is not good. But if there has only been 4 cases in the last 3 months in his school I think it is pretty obvious that it is not being spread in the school and it is coming from outside sources and they would have spread that way anyways whether schools were open or not.
People keep talking as though there is this thing called school and a completely different thing called community.
Schools are PART OF communities. Community spread and school spread are NOT SEPARATE from each other.
The virus doesn't give a shit where it spreads.
I don't think you get it. My kids are in school right now and there have been a couple of kids test positive within the school. Any kid that was within the cohort with a positive test goes home for 2 weeks and gets tested. So far there has been no spread within school. These schools are doing a phenomenal job and so far their mitigation efforts are working.
And to the other comments, the kids I've seen have been doing at much better job at wearing masks than the adults. The distancing, not so great, but kids are gonna be kids.
The kids have been awesome. They wear their masks from 7:15-11:30 without complaining. The measures that we have put in place (no group work, no switching classes, no lunch) seem to be working. (knock on wood) Any student with a symptom (headache, sore throat , etc) or has an immediate family member who tests positive is sent home for two weeks. During that time the parent can either take the kid for a covid test or have the student go full virtual for that time.
That’s completely different from my school. They’re there from 8:40-3:45.With lunch and passing periods. The kids are good about it during class. They had been good during passing period for a while, but that’s been slipping. We are expecting 11,12,13 year olds to wear a mask for 7 hours and social distance that whole time too. I just don’t think that’s realistic to maintain long term. And they haven’t been during lunch at all, large groups and no masks at lunch.
I would imagine if we had 3 hours and no passing periods and no lunch we’d have the same experience as you described. Just like I would imagine you’d have the same experience as me if your school expected kids to social distance and wear a mask for 7 hours, including a very limited supervised lunch and 7 passing periods.
Due to increased cases in the community and school we switched to full remote this week. I didn’t know what to expect, he had basically zero training on a virtual classroom which was incredibly stupid. Other than some classroom bombs some teachers experienced the first day, I think I prefer this full remote model over the hybrid one.
No, it is not comparable. It is different. Being different doesn't mean one is garbage and the other is not. And sorry, no, I will not get behind your spin that the word garbage, when describing somone's work, isn't an insult.
You may not hear the doom and gloom because you do not follow the same discussions I follow. Every argument I hear for opening up schools is laced with it.
it probably isn't worth getting into it, but mcgruff is also a teacher, as you know. he was describing his own experience. he wasn't describing your work.
Yes, I know McGruff is a teacher. He called Zoom learning, which he is not doing but I am, garbage. More than once. Even after I defended the successes so many of my students have experienced. Garbage
well, you can continue to take everything personally and overdramatize it, or you can see it for what it is.
good day.
Online learning is not garbage and to call it garbage is very closed-minded. It is like What Dreams said, Different. Better or worse? Nope different. My nine-year-old is excelling with online. Between every class the kids have time to socialize etc. The teachers are all amazing and very engaging with the students. For this age group online can work fine. My wife and I both go over the lesson plans and homework, and find that if anything it is actually a level above where we think that our daughter should be and she is doing great, thanks to the fact that she has great teachers and a school that has set up a curriculum that is engaging to the students. We've talked with other parents at the school and everyone shares this opinion. I don't think it is better or worse, I think it is as What Dreams said, different. It just so happens that our daughter is rocking with it. My opinion is that if you think that online learning is garbage it is not the actual online learning you have a problem with, it is with something in the chain. Perhaps a garbage teacher that can't create an engaging lesson plan, perhaps a garbage unwillingness to adapt to helping your kids adapt, perhaps an individual garbage institution, or an individual child that is not suited to online learning. Every single child learns at a different rate and has various strengths and weaknesses. In no way is online learning less than in person.
Went to the mall today for the first time in forever; was definitely freaked out at first but after awhile I got used to it. Everyone was masked up except when they were eating or drinking. Overall a good experience.
well, you can continue to take everything personally and overdramatize it, or you can see it for what it is.
good day.
Whatever. I don't expect much understanding from most of you in this group on a regular basis, so no real surprise here.
Now you're going to fall in line with another member by calling me (and members of a predominantly female profession) "overly sensitive and dramatic." Nice one. I see clearly now how you think.
I wish you and your super achiever daughter and all her friends the best of health in their schooling. I hope McGruff gets his wish to keep teaching at school so he doesn't have to work from home in a garbage pail. I hope communities that keep schools open during the surge much success in quarantining all the cohorts as they play whack-a-mole with their community transmission. I wish nothing but the best for every one out there. Good evening to you as well.
Due to increased cases in the community and school we switched to full remote this week. I didn’t know what to expect, he had basically zero training on a virtual classroom which was incredibly stupid. Other than some classroom bombs some teachers experienced the first day, I think I prefer this full remote model over the hybrid one.
My district trained us for the entire month of August before we started Aug 31. Once they made the decision in early July not to open, we all adapted 100%, knowing our community was counting on us to make it work. I know when I do return to a classroom, I am going to be a completely different teacher, a better teacher. The way I see my students has changed, how I approach my time with them has changed, how I assess them is totally changed. All of the shit I used to think was important in a classroom, I realize how totally unimportant much of it was. The only thing I really miss is the library.
Anyway, good luck. The best training I had on student engagement was with a woman named Katie Anderson with a group called Conscious Teaching. Look up her workshops. Game changing
well, you can continue to take everything personally and overdramatize it, or you can see it for what it is.
good day.
Whatever. I don't expect much understanding from most of you in this group on a regular basis, so no real surprise here.
Now you're going to fall in line with another member by calling me (and members of a predominantly female profession) "overly sensitive and dramatic." Nice one. I see clearly now how you think.
I wish you and your super achiever daughter and all her friends the best of health in their schooling. I hope McGruff gets his wish to keep teaching at school so he doesn't have to work from home in a garbage pail. I hope communities that keep schools open during the surge much success in quarantining all the cohorts as they play whack-a-mole with their community transmission. I wish nothing but the best for every one out there. Good evening to you as well.
See there you go again. Now you are trying to make it sexist.
And pretty nice of you to wish “success” for other schools. There are ways to do this safely...it’s being proven. If distance learning is so great, you should be worried about your profession and having a job a few years from now. I’m surprised that any teacher would think distanced learning is equal to a classroom setting
Every school and district is probably different. Here’s why so far I prefer our full remote model that we just went to this week.
My school was just under 1800 students last year, in a facility probably built for about 1200. Before covid even hit, back around January, we were told we were financially in trouble and to expect cuts and pay decreases and increased class sizes. We found out later we would lose $400/month in benefits and have 6 furlough days and still expect teacher cuts resulting in larger classes. As the new year approaches our district realized that wasn’t going to fly with covid. We expanded our full time online program to give students that option. The rest would be in a hybrid model, going to school 2 days a week in person allowing different groups each day. The schedule would only allow for 2 days a week to lower class sizes and not have packed rooms. About 20% chose full remote, reducing our daily students to about 550 with the hybrid model. That worked great for about 6 weeks. Then we started seeing more cases and playing wack-a-mole like WhatDreams said. 1 kid tests positive and a dozen students and usually some staff quarantine for 2 weeks.
The schedule was also a big problem. Only having school 2 days a week really messed with their routine. To them it was a 5-day weekend and then having to get up early 2 days a week threw them off.Most teachers didn’t find it as successful as we had hoped. But with our full remote schedule kids have class 5 days a week on a block schedule.
It’s still early, but for now and for our school I would pick 5 days a week via zoom classes over 2 days a week in person.
well, you can continue to take everything personally and overdramatize it, or you can see it for what it is.
good day.
Whatever. I don't expect much understanding from most of you in this group on a regular basis, so no real surprise here.
Now you're going to fall in line with another member by calling me (and members of a predominantly female profession) "overly sensitive and dramatic." Nice one. I see clearly now how you think.
I wish you and your super achiever daughter and all her friends the best of health in their schooling. I hope McGruff gets his wish to keep teaching at school so he doesn't have to work from home in a garbage pail. I hope communities that keep schools open during the surge much success in quarantining all the cohorts as they play whack-a-mole with their community transmission. I wish nothing but the best for every one out there. Good evening to you as well.
See there you go again. Now you are trying to make it sexist.
And pretty nice of you to wish “success” for other schools. There are ways to do this safely...it’s being proven. If distance learning is so great, you should be worried about your profession and having a job a few years from now. I’m surprised that any teacher would think distanced learning is equal to a classroom setting
1. I'm not trying to make your comment sexist. It already was.
2. If you think I believe "distance learning is equal to a classroom setting," you have completely missed my point. Since when does the word "different" -- the word I have consistently used to describe it -- mean "equal"?
3. If there are ways to do this safely, why are cases exploding all over the country this fall in communities where schools are open? Remember when we used to say, "well, kids have been isolated, so we don't really know . . . " Now we know. Kids are no longer isolated and cases in the community are rising. Tell the doctors and nurses in the swamped hospital how safely all this is going. Please go back some posts and read the CDC article I posted about household spread. They are bringing it home from somewhere, probably school just like they bring home lice and everything else from school.
4. Thank you for looking out for my career. Education is changed forever by this experience. I have embraced the change and am confident my skills will continue to be rewarded.
5. And yes, I truly wish everyone health and success. Why wouldn't I?
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You yourself, in a post pages back, spoke of being hemmed into a corner of your classroom behind a protective shield, with teachers stressed the fuck out and having panic attacks in your building. You yourself said kids do no group work, don't leave the room, not even to eat. You don't call that a disruption? I've got two friends in buildings (one private and one public) doing the "concurrent model" where they're teaching kids in the room while kids at home are dialed in -- they don't know who's coming and going; half the time they can't attend to the kids online while they work with kids in the room. They're dressed to the nines in protective gear, "hearing" about cases that are NOT getting reported. You don't call that disruptive? I'm not saying it's garbage, but it ain't fucking normal.
We're all making the most out of a really shitty situation. Instead of disparaging each other, and attacking teachers working from home -- who by the way, don't make the fucking decision to open or close schools --, we ought to recognize that it's hard for everybody, nobody wants to be doing what we're doing -- in school or at home.
As everything else goes with this pandemic, all that matters is ME, ME, ME. MY kid. MY family. MY job. MY opinion. Okay. I get it. Carry on with your life and leave the judgment about everyone else alone. Because my students are working their asses off, their families are doing the best they can to support them and me, and it's not garbage.
You know how to do it - undoubtedly would do better than we do. Luckily he is pretty bright and once he focuses he does the work fairly easily
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What Dreams, Mcgruff and all the rest of the teachers you are doing great work...try not to disparage each other or fall into believing that the way you do it is the only way.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
What matters is that you all are doing kiss ass jobs as are healthcare workers. Our stress multiplied by 25-30 students, I couldn’t do it. Congratulate each other and try to hang in there. Things are looking up already....and thanks to all teachers.
What a horrible message to send our kids, this crap we're hearing about open vs online schools and how much who is learning vs the other. To hear other teachers saying it is mind boggling to me. Our kids are listening to every word we say. What are they hearing in your homes, in your neighborhoods, on their devices? Quit telling them, if you are, that they're permanently screwed. They are not.
Yes, I'm stressed out, but surprisingly it's not my actual teaching responsibilities causing it. I can't stand one more day of the doom and gloom coming from the naysayers, everywhere you turn. The positive words of encouragement I just heard here are the first since last April when everyone finally understood the challenge of getting their little cupcake to sit still for longer than 10 minutes. Most of that appreciation seems to have eroded, in general. But thanks to the above. It really, really helps
i'm not sure where all this "doom and gloom" messaging is coming from, i haven't heard it where we are.
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You may not hear the doom and gloom because you do not follow the same discussions I follow. Every argument I hear for opening up schools is laced with it.
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Now you're going to fall in line with another member by calling me (and members of a predominantly female profession) "overly sensitive and dramatic." Nice one. I see clearly now how you think.
I wish you and your super achiever daughter and all her friends the best of health in their schooling. I hope McGruff gets his wish to keep teaching at school so he doesn't have to work from home in a garbage pail. I hope communities that keep schools open during the surge much success in quarantining all the cohorts as they play whack-a-mole with their community transmission. I wish nothing but the best for every one out there. Good evening to you as well.
Anyway, good luck. The best training I had on student engagement was with a woman named Katie Anderson with a group called Conscious Teaching. Look up her workshops. Game changing
As the new year approaches our district realized that wasn’t going to fly with covid. We expanded our full time online program to give students that option. The rest would be in a hybrid model, going to school 2 days a week in person allowing different groups each day. The schedule would only allow for 2 days a week to lower class sizes and not have packed rooms. About 20% chose full remote, reducing our daily students to about 550 with the hybrid model. That worked great for about 6 weeks. Then we started seeing more cases and playing wack-a-mole like WhatDreams said. 1 kid tests positive and a dozen students and usually some staff quarantine for 2 weeks.
But with our full remote schedule kids have class 5 days a week on a block schedule.
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2. If you think I believe "distance learning is equal to a classroom setting," you have completely missed my point. Since when does the word "different" -- the word I have consistently used to describe it -- mean "equal"?
3. If there are ways to do this safely, why are cases exploding all over the country this fall in communities where schools are open? Remember when we used to say, "well, kids have been isolated, so we don't really know . . . " Now we know. Kids are no longer isolated and cases in the community are rising. Tell the doctors and nurses in the swamped hospital how safely all this is going. Please go back some posts and read the CDC article I posted about household spread. They are bringing it home from somewhere, probably school just like they bring home lice and everything else from school.
4. Thank you for looking out for my career. Education is changed forever by this experience. I have embraced the change and am confident my skills will continue to be rewarded.
5. And yes, I truly wish everyone health and success. Why wouldn't I?