The coronavirus

Kat

Why are government officials telling citizens to go back to work but they're still staying at home? Are citizens supposed to be the canary in the coal mine? I think the pols should go back to work to work first...be leaders, all you politicians. If it's safe, citizens will go back to work later.

oftenreading

An article in the Guardian gives a case study of one French child who tested positive but did not infect any of the more than 170 people he was in contact with, potentially giving some weight to the theory that children may be both less severely affected and less likely to infect others. 

https://apple.news/AR6wFSKNiTF-vEf_ajcYEuw

Spiritual_Chaos

oftenreading said:

An article in the Guardian gives a case study of one French child who tested positive but did not infect any of the more than 170 people he was in contact with, potentially giving some weight to the theory that children may be both less severely affected and less likely to infect others. 

https://apple.news/AR6wFSKNiTF-vEf_ajcYEuw

oftenreading

pjl44 said:

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pjl44 said:

Some positive news: LabCorp granted emergency use authorization for at-home tests. Will initially be made available to healthcare workers and first responders and "in the coming weeks" to consumers.

@brianlux, I regret to inform you that it is a nasal swab.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200421005452/en/LabCorp-COVID-19-At-Home-Test-Kit-Receives-FDA

 Interesting. I would like to see their validity data. It's not easy to do a nasopharyngeal swab on yourself. Done correctly, it's a painful procedure, and done incorrectly you won't get a useful sample. I would be concerned about a high rate of false negatives with this. 

I wondered about that, too. But LabCorp is legit so I imagine/think/hope they know what they're doing. 

I want to see their data. I’m not sure I’ll have time today to look for it but I’ll try. 

The directions, too. Hopefully it's not just a gif of The Joker's pencil trick.

So far it’s just all kittens and rainbows and flowers, but no data. Aren’t they obligated to publish this stuff? 

I have learned that the at home test is only a nasal swab, not nasopharyngeal, because the NP swab is “too uncomfortable”. What that change does to accuracy, they don’t say. 

I guess we just have to trust the FDA thumbs up? Maybe you have to look at it similarly to Rx vs OTC drugs. Rx comes with a PI where you can see efficacy data. That same drug goes OTC and it's just directions for use, contraindications, etc. Unless they want to tout the accuracy (like pregnancy tests), do at-home tests generally publish that data publicly?

I don’t know that that’s a good comparison, because if a medication goes off patent or becomes OTC, it’s still the same active ingredient ingested in exactly the same way, whereas this home test kit has at the least a different swabbing strategy, untrained vs trained administrator, and uncontrolled storage and shipping conditions. It needs its own data. 

F Me In The Brain

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

static111

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Wait you mean people don’t actually need what baby cow’s need? 

F Me In The Brain

static111 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Wait you mean people don’t actually need what baby cow’s need? 

Yeah, we aren't meant to grow to be one thousand pounds, although some give it the old college try 

Spiritual_Chaos

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Is it likely to catch the virus from food delivery?

static111

F Me In The Brain said:

static111 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Wait you mean people don’t actually need what baby cow’s need? 

Yeah, we aren't meant to grow to be one thousand pounds, although some give it the old college try 

Maybe they are trying to grow the extra stomachs they need to process cow food.

F Me In The Brain

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Is it likely to catch the virus from food delivery?

I think that depends on who carries the box up and puts it on your porch.  Or who sneezes on the box.
I just feel they are pushing that, in spite of what many other reports are, to help restaurants keep some business going though delivery.  

And, I get that desire.  But, I am suspicious of their motive 
I have not (and will not) order anything I don't cook and or quarantine for a period of time 


In for a penny, in for a pound 

Spiritual_Chaos

F Me In The Brain said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Is it likely to catch the virus from food delivery?

I think that depends on who carries the box up and puts it on your porch.  Or who sneezes on the box.
I just feel they are pushing that, in spite of what many other reports are, to help restaurants keep some business going though delivery.  

And, I get that desire.  But, I am suspicious of their motive 
I have not (and will not) order anything I don't cook and or quarantine for a period of time 


In for a penny, in for a pound 

It's people like you

WHO MADE MY MOM LOSE HER JOB

Halifax2TheMax

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Is it likely to catch the virus from food delivery?

I think that depends on who carries the box up and puts it on your porch.  Or who sneezes on the box.
I just feel they are pushing that, in spite of what many other reports are, to help restaurants keep some business going though delivery.  

And, I get that desire.  But, I am suspicious of their motive 
I have not (and will not) order anything I don't cook and or quarantine for a period of time 


In for a penny, in for a pound 

It's people like you

WHO MADE MY MOM LOSE HER JOB

I thought malls and restaurants were open in Sweden? With little to no social distancing? Everybody out and about doing their thing?

dankind

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Is it likely to catch the virus from food delivery?

I think that depends on who carries the box up and puts it on your porch.  Or who sneezes on the box.
I just feel they are pushing that, in spite of what many other reports are, to help restaurants keep some business going though delivery.  

And, I get that desire.  But, I am suspicious of their motive 
I have not (and will not) order anything I don't cook and or quarantine for a period of time 


In for a penny, in for a pound 

It's people like you

WHO MADE MY MOM LOSE HER JOB

I know you're mostly joking, but for all you know, though, people like @F Me In The Brain may have or live with someone who is at a high risk of serious to lethal illness.

That being said, I live with two such people and have gotten takeout the past two nights.

Spiritual_Chaos

Please update your GIFs above.

Thank you.

dankind

No.

F Me In The Brain

I do live with one such person and have food here.  Don't need to do the order out thing.  

Also, I believe I have already had the virus just as all of this started to happen, and I still am going to be all in (if in at all) for as long as it takes to get a test which can indicate with some reasonable accuracy that I have had it or not.

I don't see the point of doing stuff half or 3/4 way.  Just not my style.

rgambs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Is it likely to catch the virus from food delivery?

I think that depends on who carries the box up and puts it on your porch.  Or who sneezes on the box.
I just feel they are pushing that, in spite of what many other reports are, to help restaurants keep some business going though delivery.  

And, I get that desire.  But, I am suspicious of their motive 
I have not (and will not) order anything I don't cook and or quarantine for a period of time 


In for a penny, in for a pound 

It's people like you

WHO MADE MY MOM LOSE HER JOB

#metoo.
If I didn't cook it, I don't trust it.  

nicknyr15

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

I honestly was shocked when they said it wasn’t necessary to wipe down groceries. People touch stuff and put them back every second. How could you recommend to not wipe down anything that comes in from a store? Terrible advice 

Spiritual_Chaos

Halifax2TheMax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

Is it likely to catch the virus from food delivery?

I think that depends on who carries the box up and puts it on your porch.  Or who sneezes on the box.
I just feel they are pushing that, in spite of what many other reports are, to help restaurants keep some business going though delivery.  

And, I get that desire.  But, I am suspicious of their motive 
I have not (and will not) order anything I don't cook and or quarantine for a period of time 


In for a penny, in for a pound 

It's people like you

WHO MADE MY MOM LOSE HER JOB

I thought malls and restaurants were open in Sweden? With little to no social distancing? Everybody out and about doing their thing?

F Me In The Brain

nicknyr15 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The FDA that is approving the home test is the same FDA that said it is unlikely to catch the virus from food delivery?
The same FDA that put bread, cereal, pasta on the food pyramid?  That pushed Milk on the country as a crucial part of our diets?

Motivated by money.  I'm sure they do many fine things and I would rather have some testing vs no testing by a governing body, but I am always suspicious of the FDA 

I honestly was shocked when they said it wasn’t necessary to wipe down groceries. People touch stuff and put them back every second. How could you recommend to not wipe down anything that comes in from a store? Terrible advice 

Motivated by money.  
It is truly awful advice