Cuomo messed up. My governor (Walz, Dem, MN) messed up. My employer was slow to react (though I don't think it got anyone killed). The difference is, as Poncier points out above, this was on the fly when it was all new. People acting in good faith were going to have missteps. Hilary would have. Obama would have. I would have. You would have.
Trump? At best, he fucked up and continues to fuck up. Why? First, he cares only about his own election. Second, he doesn't have the critical thinking skills to see any nuance. He went all in on "the economy" because that was viewed as his strong point. He didn't have it in him to attempt to balance the economy and the pandemic. Everything is black-and-white. The GOP governors? I won't speak to most of 'em but DeSantis is a Trump boot-licker and behaved as such every step of the way.
One of the unfortunate parts of the story is that most of the places impacted early (Seattle, NYC, etc.) tend to be very "blue." It enables to say that the Dems are messing it up and enables Trumpies to not really care because "the real America" was still doing OK.
We might not want this to be about Trump. Or about Dem vs. GOP. But to an extent it is. GOP leadership has been awful and rooted in denial about the significance and in fear that a bad economy will impact their stranglehold on control. Their attempt to create a one-party system has clouded everything they do.
Yes, there are times both sides bring Trump in where it doesn't quite seem necessary...particularly "It's all a conspiracy against Trump." But Trump is a big part of it. The conspiracy theories exist because of dedication to him. "Everyone has been lying to you and Trump is here to tell you the truth!"
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It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
Probably true. But even that gets arbitrary at times. Northern Cali vs. LA, etc. That's why you have to love Georgia's governor prohibiting local control. Localized control is a staple of US conservative philosophy; until it isn't.
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Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle.
There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening.
There’s scattered logic all over the place on this. Look at CA currently. Blue as blue gets, strict early lockdowns, didn’t open too early, not a “mouth breather” state, yet they’re getting hammered. The red/blue argument doesn’t carry weight there.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle.
There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening.
There’s scattered logic all over the place on this. Look at CA currently. Blue as blue gets, strict early lockdowns, didn’t open too early, not a “mouth breather” state, yet they’re getting hammered. The red/blue argument doesn’t carry weight there.
As a teacher I have no clue what the right answer is. If a kid on my team gets covid then the entire team has to quarantine for two weeks. (80 kids six teachers. Core plus specials) now if a teacher gets covid it is a whole differnrnt ballgame. Let s say I get covid, my entire team (80 kids, plus teachers) plus my wife s team (same school, 80 kids plus teachers), plus my daughters classmates and bus mates in high school plus my first grader in another school. Craziness. I m ready to teach either remotely or in person.
This is not easy and there’s no perfect answer. As a teacher and a parent, if you had your way, would you prefer in class or e-learning?
There was an email sent yesterday from the district allowing parents to sign up their kids for virtual learning; my wife and I will be sending our five kids to school. Now grant it New Jersey is in a pretty good place. If we start looking like Florida then we would pull them. It is definitely a tough call.
I made an informed decision last June and sent mine off to school Mon-Tues (they cleaned Wednesday before the Thur-Fri group).
It was a hard call, but let's face it, we are a smart group here! It was a calculated risk, I kept my eye on the numbers. It went off without a hitch in my case. Best wishes for you and your family.
That’s similar to what we announce about 6 weeks ago. 2 groups, each go for 2 days. But about 2 weeks ago they announced they scrapped that idea and are going full day every day. Doesnt make sense to me. We had to cut staff, so class sizes will be 30-34 kids in a packed room, most without windows. Our lunches and passing periods are crazy. So there is going to be zero social distancing going on.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
Thank you. That was obviously my point.
So NY, NJ & MA are the 3 highest death states and obviously those with early infection. Maybe and this is a huge stretch, those states are in a better place right now because they are not in the middle of the spread but rather on the tail end. Crazy of me to view this from a non political position, I know.
Haha, yeah, that must be it.
This makes way more sense than what all the experts have been saying for months.
DeSantis is the victim of miss happenstance. There was nothing he could have done to curb the virus, nobody saw it coming.
The federal government's response was to ignore the problem and dump it on the states. ("I take no responsibility" - great leader we have here... really inspires us to 'be best' doesn't he?)
As far as reported numbers of cases and deaths go, literally no other country in the world has handled this as poorly as America.
That's worth repeating: as far as reported numbers of cases and deaths go, literally no other country in the world has handled this as poorly as America.
I have to admit that I'm glad not to have kids...it sound like a gut-wrenching decision. I don't have any idea what I'd do...
This is no way for adults to live, much less kids. Kids spending this much time at home is awful.
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The whining about being challenged on the posts that get posted is really nauseating. Back your shit up and stop being a snowflake. Red states could have been heroes in this by seeing what the blue states did wrong. But yea, science, waaaaaaaaaaaa.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle.
There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening.
There’s scattered logic all over the place on this. Look at CA currently. Blue as blue gets, strict early lockdowns, didn’t open too early, not a “mouth breather” state, yet they’re getting hammered. The red/blue argument doesn’t carry weight there.
So what makes a state a "mouth-breather" state?
You're asking the wrong guy, bud. I learned that term here, as it is so frequently used. I have a pretty good idea what the folks that use it mean though.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
The federal government's response was to ignore the problem and dump it on the states. ("I take no responsibility" - great leader we have here... really inspires us to 'be best' doesn't he?)
As far as reported numbers of cases and deaths go, literally no other country in the world has handled this as poorly as America.
That's worth repeating: as far as reported numbers of cases and deaths go, literally no other country in the world has handled this as poorly as America.
American Exceptionalism my ass.
We're exceptionally divided. Exceptionally short-sighted. Exceptionally arrogant (with little reason to be). Yup, we're exceptional - in the same way Russia and Brazil are.
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Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle.
There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening.
There’s scattered logic all over the place on this. Look at CA currently. Blue as blue gets, strict early lockdowns, didn’t open too early, not a “mouth breather” state, yet they’re getting hammered. The red/blue argument doesn’t carry weight there.
So what makes a state a "mouth-breather" state?
You're asking the wrong guy, bud. I learned that term here, as it is so frequently used. I have a pretty good idea what the folks that use it mean though.
Oh well if it's used here, I'll go out on a limb and assume they're referring to "red" states.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle.
There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening.
There’s scattered logic all over the place on this. Look at CA currently. Blue as blue gets, strict early lockdowns, didn’t open too early, not a “mouth breather” state, yet they’re getting hammered. The red/blue argument doesn’t carry weight there.
So what makes a state a "mouth-breather" state?
You're asking the wrong guy, bud. I learned that term here, as it is so frequently used. I have a pretty good idea what the folks that use it mean though.
Oh well if it's used here, I'll go out on a limb and assume they're referring to "red" states.
Bingo. That is my assumption too. I don't actually use the term myself. I've learned a lot of new terms from frequenting these threads.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle.
The majority of NY infections were locked in during March. The virus was imbedded in the NY metro area before it had a chance to put in place the generally accepted safety protocols of today. What is accepted as true now was not known to be effective then.
How a state responded before and after knowing what to do makes a difference, to me at least. Not saying that Cuomo and de blaze didn’t screw up. They did, but they changed course within 10 days and bent the curve downward 95%. Not many states can make that claim. The states that are now giving the middle finger to safety protocols in order to please their supreme leader is quite different IMO.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
Right, and the opposite is incorrect. There have been many well reported stories on Cuomo's catastrophic failure, which indeed was based on his own decisions.
dignin did say "Currently" in his post. New York and by extension New Jersey had a horrible time of things in March & April, some of that certainly is due to Cuomo's decisions but we were all learning on the fly at that point. A lot of that early surge also just has to do with NYC being the major hub for international travel through 3 airports, population density and a very busy mass transit system and the virus silently spreading before we knew what hit us. Nursing homes were a complete failure for sure, but since beginning to open up, northeast states seems to have a far better handle on things than our neighbors to the south and west. That's the point I took.
I just made a very similar point. Interested if we get a specific reply.
On conservative forums all they care about is attacking Cuomo. All I care about is states bending the curve down 95%. I don’t care if my guv is dem or rep in this issue . All the red staters care about is why should we listen to you, your state killed more than anyone else. Geez trumpers , pick any state or EU country that bent the curve down. They’re not hard to find. It’s basically any modern country or northeastern state.
A strong leader might not get it right every time, but they'll demonstrate a capacity to learn, grow, and get a handle on a situation. I don't think there's any doubt that Cuomo has exhibited that leadership quality immensely better than Trump has. At least when Cuomo initially got it wrong - he did so while trying to actually be a leader, not trying to foment hate and division (Trump's knee-jerk reaction to nearly everything). And damn, did he turn it around.
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Nobody stopped nobody from “criticizing their mayor.” #cancelculture
You’re so funny. Honestly. Borderline insane with your weird phrases, nicknames and now hashtags. Never said you stopped me, nor would you ever. I just said it went right to Trump. If I brought up a roll of Duct tape, you’d bring up Trump. It’s who you are. You can’t help it. It’s all good.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
Thank you. That was obviously my point.
So NY, NJ & MA are the 3 highest death states and obviously those with early infection. Maybe and this is a huge stretch, those states are in a better place right now because they are not in the middle of the spread but rather on the tail end. Crazy of me to view this from a non political position, I know.
Haha, yeah, that must be it.
This makes way more sense than what all the experts have been saying for months.
DeSantis is the victim of miss happenstance. There was nothing he could have done to curb the virus, nobody saw it coming.
Haha.
We know the northeast was hit the hardest early on, and now because the spread was slowed for a couple of months it is now spiking in other highly populated areas that took some time to get to because of the measures that were put into place. Slowing the spread was the whole objective, correct? That is coming from the experts, unless you were listening to trump I certainly didn't believe a virus was just going to disappear. So wouldn't it make sense that the states hit first would be in a better position currently? Don't forget that testing is on a whole other level than it was early on as well, do you think if tests were being performed like they are now the overall case numbers wouldn't look drastically different? It is not rocket science and is another way of evaluating something without allowing political bias to control your thought process. I am looking at this as a whole, I do not participate in the my state is better than your state playground bullshit. Am I right? I am not claiming to be, this is a forum for discussion and it is certainly something to consider.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle.
There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening.
There’s scattered logic all over the place on this. Look at CA currently. Blue as blue gets, strict early lockdowns, didn’t open too early, not a “mouth breather” state, yet they’re getting hammered. The red/blue argument doesn’t carry weight there.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
Thank you. That was obviously my point.
So NY, NJ & MA are the 3 highest death states and obviously those with early infection. Maybe and this is a huge stretch, those states are in a better place right now because they are not in the middle of the spread but rather on the tail end. Crazy of me to view this from a non political position, I know.
Haha, yeah, that must be it.
This makes way more sense than what all the experts have been saying for months.
DeSantis is the victim of miss happenstance. There was nothing he could have done to curb the virus, nobody saw it coming.
Haha.
Don't forget that testing is on a whole other level than it was early on as well, do you think if tests were being performed like they are now the overall case numbers wouldn't look drastically different? It is not rocket science and is another way of evaluating something without allowing political bias to control your thought process.
If there was less testing, there'd be less confirmed cases, but the infection rate would be the same, or likely higher as some folks who didn't know for sure they had it would continue to interact with and infect others. Greater volume of testing isn't accounting for the increase in numbers now, poor adherence to social distancing and other safety protocols (especially mask wearing) is. That's why hospitilizations are surging in Ca, FL, TX, AZ and GA amongst others. And those who claim "the fatality rate is lower" like Trump, Pence DeSantis and kemp all have recently are ignoring the simple scientific fact of the lag. People don't contract the virus and drop dead immediately. The contract, get sick, get sicker, go to hospital, go to ICU, then die. Takes a few weeks on average. And look at death tolls in those states this week compared to 2-3 weeks ago, they have risen dramatically (FL reporting triple digit deaths daily now), and will continue to do so.
Nobody stopped nobody from “criticizing their mayor.” #cancelculture
You’re so funny. Honestly. Borderline insane with your weird phrases, nicknames and now hashtags. Never said you stopped me, nor would you ever. I just said it went right to Trump. If I brought up a roll of Duct tape, you’d bring up Trump. It’s who you are. You can’t help it. It’s all good.
Team Trump Treason Tape? That shit don’t stick, yo!
Nobody stopped nobody from “criticizing their mayor.” #cancelculture
You’re so funny. Honestly. Borderline insane with your weird phrases, nicknames and now hashtags. Never said you stopped me, nor would you ever. I just said it went right to Trump. If I brought up a roll of Duct tape, you’d bring up Trump. It’s who you are. You can’t help it. It’s all good.
Team Trump Treason Tape? That shit don’t stick, yo!
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
Thank you. That was obviously my point.
So NY, NJ & MA are the 3 highest death states and obviously those with early infection. Maybe and this is a huge stretch, those states are in a better place right now because they are not in the middle of the spread but rather on the tail end. Crazy of me to view this from a non political position, I know.
Haha, yeah, that must be it.
This makes way more sense than what all the experts have been saying for months.
DeSantis is the victim of miss happenstance. There was nothing he could have done to curb the virus, nobody saw it coming.
Haha.
Don't forget that testing is on a whole other level than it was early on as well, do you think if tests were being performed like they are now the overall case numbers wouldn't look drastically different? It is not rocket science and is another way of evaluating something without allowing political bias to control your thought process.
If there was less testing, there'd be less confirmed cases, but the infection rate would be the same, or likely higher as some folks who didn't know for sure they had it would continue to interact with and infect others. Greater volume of testing isn't accounting for the increase in numbers now, poor adherence to social distancing and other safety protocols (especially mask wearing) is. That's why hospitilizations are surging in Ca, FL, TX, AZ and GA amongst others. And those who claim "the fatality rate is lower" like Trump, Pence DeSantis and kemp all have recently are ignoring the simple scientific fact of the lag. People don't contract the virus and drop dead immediately. The contract, get sick, get sicker, go to hospital, go to ICU, then die. Takes a few weeks on average. And look at death tolls in those states this week compared to 2-3 weeks ago, they have risen dramatically (FL reporting triple digit deaths daily now), and will continue to do so.
I was saying the confirmed cases in the northeast would look drastically different had testing been available as it is now. I don't care about case numbers because we all know it is not an accurate representation due to those who are asymptomatic, but it seems that is what many people focus on. I think deaths paint a more accurate picture when it comes to the widespread presence of the virus and the areas where it is currently moving through will undoubtedly see a major increase in death over the next month or so. Much like the northeast was when it was ravaging them.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle.
There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening.
There’s scattered logic all over the place on this. Look at CA currently. Blue as blue gets, strict early lockdowns, didn’t open too early, not a “mouth breather” state, yet they’re getting hammered. The red/blue argument doesn’t carry weight there.
So what makes a state a "mouth-breather" state?
I’d like to know this as well
As I mentioned in my post above, this is presumably a term commonly used around here for people that reside in red states. Republicans = mouth breathers. At least according to some of the 10C faithful.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
Thank you. That was obviously my point.
So NY, NJ & MA are the 3 highest death states and obviously those with early infection. Maybe and this is a huge stretch, those states are in a better place right now because they are not in the middle of the spread but rather on the tail end. Crazy of me to view this from a non political position, I know.
Haha, yeah, that must be it.
This makes way more sense than what all the experts have been saying for months.
DeSantis is the victim of miss happenstance. There was nothing he could have done to curb the virus, nobody saw it coming.
Haha.
Don't forget that testing is on a whole other level than it was early on as well, do you think if tests were being performed like they are now the overall case numbers wouldn't look drastically different? It is not rocket science and is another way of evaluating something without allowing political bias to control your thought process.
If there was less testing, there'd be less confirmed cases, but the infection rate would be the same, or likely higher as some folks who didn't know for sure they had it would continue to interact with and infect others. Greater volume of testing isn't accounting for the increase in numbers now, poor adherence to social distancing and other safety protocols (especially mask wearing) is. That's why hospitilizations are surging in Ca, FL, TX, AZ and GA amongst others. And those who claim "the fatality rate is lower" like Trump, Pence DeSantis and kemp all have recently are ignoring the simple scientific fact of the lag. People don't contract the virus and drop dead immediately. The contract, get sick, get sicker, go to hospital, go to ICU, then die. Takes a few weeks on average. And look at death tolls in those states this week compared to 2-3 weeks ago, they have risen dramatically (FL reporting triple digit deaths daily now), and will continue to do so.
I was saying the confirmed cases in the northeast would look drastically different had testing been available as it is now. I don't care about case numbers because we all know it is not an accurate representation due to those who are asymptomatic, but it seems that is what many people focus on. I think deaths paint a more accurate picture when it comes to the widespread presence of the virus and the areas where it is currently moving through will undoubtedly see a major increase in death over the next month or so. Much like the northeast was when it was ravaging them.
Got ya. Yes if testing were higher in March and April, confirmed cases in the northeast would certainly have been higher, the testing back then was focused on strictly those either with symptoms or who had come in contact with someone who tested positive or folks who had traveled before lock downs. So likely plenty of asymptomatic folks never got tested (and still aren't everywhere) and added to the spread of things, especially early on before any stay at home orders. But hospitilization and deaths wouldn't have changed much, those as you say are the real key indicators. Also percent of positive testing, which is currently higher in FLA than it ever was in NY, a very troubling sign.
Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.
Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.
It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.
This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.
The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.
"The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.
"Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.
For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.
New Jersey
How the state has improved:
New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.
But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.
While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.
And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.
-- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18
-- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms
-- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day
New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.
Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.
New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.
How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:
Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.
"Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.
"And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."
Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.
As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.
"172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."
How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:
When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.
And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.
"It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.
"As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."
It's interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.
Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle.
There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening.
There’s scattered logic all over the place on this. Look at CA currently. Blue as blue gets, strict early lockdowns, didn’t open too early, not a “mouth breather” state, yet they’re getting hammered. The red/blue argument doesn’t carry weight there.
So what makes a state a "mouth-breather" state?
I’d like to know this as well
As I mentioned in my post above, this is presumably a term commonly used around here for people that reside in red states. Republicans = mouth breathers. At least according to some of the 10C faithful.
Its an ignorant way of painting folks with a broad brush and doesn't make liberals look very liberal or very affable.
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Yes, there are times both sides bring Trump in where it doesn't quite seem necessary...particularly "It's all a conspiracy against Trump." But Trump is a big part of it. The conspiracy theories exist because of dedication to him. "Everyone has been lying to you and Trump is here to tell you the truth!"
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Probably true. But even that gets arbitrary at times. Northern Cali vs. LA, etc. That's why you have to love Georgia's governor prohibiting local control. Localized control is a staple of US conservative philosophy; until it isn't.
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Doesnt make sense to me. We had to cut staff, so class sizes will be 30-34 kids in a packed room, most without windows. Our lunches and passing periods are crazy. So there is going to be zero social distancing going on.
This makes way more sense than what all the experts have been saying for months.
DeSantis is the victim of miss happenstance. There was nothing he could have done to curb the virus, nobody saw it coming.
Haha.
The federal government's response was to ignore the problem and dump it on the states. ("I take no responsibility" - great leader we have here... really inspires us to 'be best' doesn't he?)
As far as reported numbers of cases and deaths go, literally no other country in the world has handled this as poorly as America.
That's worth repeating: as far as reported numbers of cases and deaths go, literally no other country in the world has handled this as poorly as America.
American Exceptionalism my ass.
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You're asking the wrong guy, bud. I learned that term here, as it is so frequently used. I have a pretty good idea what the folks that use it mean though.
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How a state responded before and after knowing what to do makes a difference, to me at least. Not saying that Cuomo and de blaze didn’t screw up. They did, but they changed course within 10 days and bent the curve downward 95%. Not many states can make that claim. The states that are now giving the middle finger to safety protocols in order to please their supreme leader is quite different IMO.
I just made a very similar point. Interested if we get a specific reply.
On conservative forums all they care about is attacking Cuomo. All I care about is states bending the curve down 95%. I don’t care if my guv is dem or rep in this issue . All the red staters care about is why should we listen to you, your state killed more than anyone else. Geez trumpers , pick any state or EU country that bent the curve down. They’re not hard to find. It’s basically any modern country or northeastern state.
america is a screwed up place.
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And look at death tolls in those states this week compared to 2-3 weeks ago, they have risen dramatically (FL reporting triple digit deaths daily now), and will continue to do so.
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