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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,053
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    As a teacher I have no clue what the right answer is. If a kid on my team gets covid then the entire team has to quarantine for two weeks. (80 kids six teachers. Core plus specials)
    now if a teacher gets covid it is a whole
    differnrnt ballgame.  Let s say I get covid, my entire team (80 kids, plus teachers) plus my wife s team (same school, 80 kids plus teachers), plus my daughters classmates and bus mates in high school plus my first grader in another school.  
    Craziness. 
    I m ready to teach either remotely or in person.  
    This is not easy and there’s no perfect answer.  As a teacher and a parent, if you had your way, would you prefer in class or e-learning? 
    There was an email sent yesterday from the district allowing parents to sign up their kids for virtual learning; my  wife and I will be sending our five kids to school.   Now grant it New Jersey is in a pretty good place.  If we start looking like Florida then we would pull them.  It is definitely a tough call.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,933
    mcgruff10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    As a teacher I have no clue what the right answer is. If a kid on my team gets covid then the entire team has to quarantine for two weeks. (80 kids six teachers. Core plus specials)
    now if a teacher gets covid it is a whole
    differnrnt ballgame.  Let s say I get covid, my entire team (80 kids, plus teachers) plus my wife s team (same school, 80 kids plus teachers), plus my daughters classmates and bus mates in high school plus my first grader in another school.  
    Craziness. 
    I m ready to teach either remotely or in person.  
    This is not easy and there’s no perfect answer.  As a teacher and a parent, if you had your way, would you prefer in class or e-learning? 
    There was an email sent yesterday from the district allowing parents to sign up their kids for virtual learning; my  wife and I will be sending our five kids to school.   Now grant it New Jersey is in a pretty good place.  If we start looking like Florida then we would pull them.  It is definitely a tough call.  
    Makes sense. Thanks for sharing. 
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,933

    IL is in a pretty good place as well, but it appears the choice will be made for us. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,305

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,053
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    SpunkieSpunkie I come from downtown. Posts: 5,975
    mcgruff10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    As a teacher I have no clue what the right answer is. If a kid on my team gets covid then the entire team has to quarantine for two weeks. (80 kids six teachers. Core plus specials)
    now if a teacher gets covid it is a whole
    differnrnt ballgame.  Let s say I get covid, my entire team (80 kids, plus teachers) plus my wife s team (same school, 80 kids plus teachers), plus my daughters classmates and bus mates in high school plus my first grader in another school.  
    Craziness. 
    I m ready to teach either remotely or in person.  
    This is not easy and there’s no perfect answer.  As a teacher and a parent, if you had your way, would you prefer in class or e-learning? 
    There was an email sent yesterday from the district allowing parents to sign up their kids for virtual learning; my  wife and I will be sending our five kids to school.   Now grant it New Jersey is in a pretty good place.  If we start looking like Florida then we would pull them.  It is definitely a tough call.  
    I made an informed decision last June and sent mine off to school Mon-Tues (they cleaned Wednesday before the Thur-Fri group).

    It was a hard call, but let's face it, we are a smart group here! It was a calculated risk, I kept my eye on the numbers.  It went off without a hitch in my case. Best wishes for you and your family.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,305
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,010
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    You want a real knee slap hoot n holler? Go back to page 1 of this thread and read forward, paying attention to the dates of posts, data presented and comments made.

    A more coordinated and sustained federal response on certain aspects of how to address this pandemic would have made a difference. We know this now and we knew it then but you know, Team Trump Treason.

    Who here wouldn’t prefer to have had Obama at the helm at the beginning of the outbreak? Be honest.

    What % of the US population dying makes you wish we were better or more like other nations that have or are doing a much better job?
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,305
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    You want a real knee slap hoot n holler? Go back to page 1 of this thread and read forward, paying attention to the dates of posts, data presented and comments made.

    A more coordinated and sustained federal response on certain aspects of how to address this pandemic would have made a difference. We know this now and we knew it then but you know, Team Trump Treason.

    Who here wouldn’t prefer to have had Obama at the helm at the beginning of the outbreak? Be honest.

    What % of the US population dying makes you wish we were better or more like other nations that have or are doing a much better job?
    Bingo.
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,242
    mcgruff10 said:
    As a teacher I have no clue what the right answer is. If a kid on my team gets covid then the entire team has to quarantine for two weeks. (80 kids six teachers. Core plus specials)
    now if a teacher gets covid it is a whole
    differnrnt ballgame.  Let s say I get covid, my entire team (80 kids, plus teachers) plus my wife s team (same school, 80 kids plus teachers), plus my daughters classmates and bus mates in high school plus my first grader in another school.  Plus my sixth grade grade son goes to school in another district so teachers plus students.  Etc etc. 
    Craziness. 
    Teaching is going to be very different come fall (no group work, peer to peer instruction, etc) however I m ready to teach either remotely or in person.  


    Lets say one kid on any of those teams has a parent who is an hourly type worker who needs to show up to work to get paid and gets infected and it is traced back to his child’s school district. Will the schools get sued?

    Let’s say a parent dies from an infection that can be traced to a school. Are the taxpayers facing a wrongful death lawsuit?
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,242
    bbiggs said:
    Our school district already changed plans for the upcoming school year within 48 hours of the initial plan being rolled out.  Now, we're 8:30 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 5 days a week (for now).  Basically half days.  The two neighboring school districts are 100% remote learning for at least 9 weeks and in classroom 2 days a week in the other.  My district and the one with 2 days a week in classroom are both offering 100% e-learning to those that want it.

    Apparently, Pritzker (our governor) is telling the school districts that if they choose to open the classrooms and the numbers go up in their area, they are going to be held liable. 

    What a train wreck this is.
    Absolutely there is a liability issue. Here is one of the Q&As between my school board and superintendent's offfice:

    If Covid is transmitted on school property, what is the legal liability of MCPS?

    Answer: We have been notified by our insurance carrier that as long as MCPS is adhering to the guidelines developed by the CDC, its legal liability should be mitigated. Revised guidelines from the CDC will be forthcoming this week which may alter the plans provided to the School Board on July 8th. Congress is also considering a bill that would protect all public school divisions from liability. 
    -----------------
    Regarding the italicized part -- Congress is considering that. Republicans want to block it.

    I promise you that there will be a parent or parentS who will sue the school district if their kid catches CoVid. 

    If a Lakes of the Ozarks type video emerges from any school where there is a cluster of infections and deaths, I can’t imagine it going well for the schools.
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    cutzcutz Posts: 11,566
    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-oxford-vaccine-could-provide-double-protection-report-12029406?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter&s=09

    Coronavirus: Oxford vaccine could provide 'double protection' - report

    The vaccine being developed at Oxford is one of the leading contenders in the global race to protect against coronavirus.

    Thursday 16 July 2020 19:04, UK

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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,471
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
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    PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,394
    mcgruff10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    As a teacher I have no clue what the right answer is. If a kid on my team gets covid then the entire team has to quarantine for two weeks. (80 kids six teachers. Core plus specials)
    now if a teacher gets covid it is a whole
    differnrnt ballgame.  Let s say I get covid, my entire team (80 kids, plus teachers) plus my wife s team (same school, 80 kids plus teachers), plus my daughters classmates and bus mates in high school plus my first grader in another school.  
    Craziness. 
    I m ready to teach either remotely or in person.  
    This is not easy and there’s no perfect answer.  As a teacher and a parent, if you had your way, would you prefer in class or e-learning? 
    There was an email sent yesterday from the district allowing parents to sign up their kids for virtual learning; my  wife and I will be sending our five kids to school.   Now grant it New Jersey is in a pretty good place.  If we start looking like Florida then we would pull them.  It is definitely a tough call.  
    Our school district sent out a plan several weeks (after the state released some guidelines, but left it up to individual districts which certainly seems the wisest, non authoritarian-Trump approach to things) ago that the intent is for in person learning, with kids wearing masks, desks in classrooms spaced out, all facing the same direction so kids aren't face to face as they are sometimes, with mask breaks between classes, hand sanitizer stations etc. Fall sports/drama/music etc. are still TBD and they are working on bus protocols still.
    After that they sent a survey asking about concerns, what type of learning you prefer (3 choices, all in person, all remote or a hybrid), what bus transportation your kid(s) plan to utilize (morning, afternoon, both or neither) etc. I assume they got some concerned emails after releasing the initial plan.
    I said I preferred full in person learning, which is what my kid wants, and we are doing relatively well here in MA. Of course then my wife goes on her email, answers the survey and says she prefers the hybrid approach. One student, 2 answers. Typical of us, on different pages.
    But as you say, the way things are right now here, it seems relatively safe with the right precautions to send them back. If things change, everyone has to adjust. I figure get them as much in class time as possible, cause if we get a resurgence they'll be back to remote anyway.
    But certainly there are some places in the country right now that should not be considering in person school.
    This weekend we rock Portland
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,471
    bbiggs said:
    Shouldn't be a surprise that we need to hear more details on a childcare/education program than what was included in a single tweet. There are plenty of reasons why the childcare issue needs to be addressed, not least of which is that more and more parents are being required to return to their workplaces (not just permitted, but required) without their regular childcare in place. Why would addressing that issue necessarily be the wrong thing to do?
    Addressing a childcare need is not a problem. It becomes questionable when the childcare need arises as a direct result of school closures due to COVID. The logic escapes me when it is suddenly okay to throw all of those kids in the same space because it’s childcare and not school.  It then becomes safe? 
    It might be. It sounds like they're using alternate sites that offer the opportunity for better distancing than their schools' classrooms. I got overwhelmed just reading that article. 

    I still don't know what the right answer is and that's even acknowledging it's going to vary greatly across the country. It has to be a challenge for any state or city to size up what the virus prevalence in their area will look like in 6 weeks.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,305
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    Where do you get that from?
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    PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,394
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
    This weekend we rock Portland
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,938
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle. 
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,471
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    Where do you get that from?
    To date NY and NJ still have the highest case and death count per capita
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,471
    nicknyr15 said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle. 
    There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,305
    I guess you guys missed the currently part. Read my post again.


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    dignindignin Posts: 9,305
    pjl44 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle. 
    There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening. 
    You are clearly the one misunderstanding.
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,938
    pjl44 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle. 
    There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening. 
    Which is why I usually hesitate to bring anything up here. I mean, I can’t even dislike my own Mayor here without having someone from another state or country counter with something about Trump. Very weird. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,305
    Poncier said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
    Thank you. That was obviously my point.
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,471
    nicknyr15 said:
    pjl44 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    It’s weird to hear people saying NY did a great job. We lost what, 30k people? I think actual NYers were scared shit then did a good job wearing masks and staying home. If NY was a red state I’m sure people would be all over our death count and the nursing home debacle. 
    There's this weird desire to make it a red/blue thing or attempt to look at success/failure through the lens of Trump. It always results in a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening. 
    Which is why I usually hesitate to bring anything up here. I mean, I can’t even dislike my own Mayor here without having someone from another state or country counter with something about Trump. Very weird. 
    It's all about knowing who to ignore except in the rare case where you can make a quick, clear point
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,471
    edited July 2020
    Poncier said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
    Right, and the opposite is incorrect. There have been many well reported stories on Cuomo's catastrophic failure, which indeed was based on his own decisions.
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    pjl44 said:

    Right, and the opposite is incorrect. There have been many well reported stories on Cuomo's catastrophic failure, which indeed was based on his own decisions.
    His big fuck-ups, like my governor Wolf in PA, were the nursing homes and putting covid patients in with non-covid patients, causing the non-covid people to catch it. 

    This woman was a nurse in NYC but quit after she felt it was becoming too dangerous. She took undercover videos and wrote a book. Interesting perspective. Most here will dismiss it because it's Carlson interviewing her, and he does say some Tuckerish things at the top before bringing her on. But it's worth a watch for her first-hand persepctive. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsSKrmrGyiE
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    PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,394
    edited July 2020
    pjl44 said:
    Poncier said:
    pjl44 said:
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:

    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
    Right, and the opposite is incorrect. There have been many well reported stories on Cuomo's catastrophic failure, which indeed was based on his own decisions.
    dignin did say "Currently" in his post.
    New York and by extension New Jersey had a horrible time of things in  March & April, some of that certainly is due to Cuomo's decisions but we were all learning on the fly at that point. A lot of that early surge also just has to do with NYC being the major hub for international travel through 3 airports, population density and a very busy mass transit system and the virus silently spreading before we knew what hit us.
    Nursing homes were a complete failure for sure, but since beginning to open up, northeast states seems to have a far better handle on things than our neighbors to the south and west.
    That's the point I took.
    Post edited by Poncier on
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    Massachusetts

    How much the state improved:

    Massachusetts started reopening on May 25. But since then, the rate of new cases has gone down, not up.

    Between May 25 and July 10, the rate of daily new cases in Massachusetts has dropped by 75%, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

    Between April 15 and July 14, Covid-19 hospitalizations have dropped by about 84%, and the rate of new deaths has dropped by about 95%, according to data from the Massachusetts Department of Health.

    How they helped quell coronavirus:

    Massachusetts waited to start reopening and was one of the last states to do so.

    It also enacted a mask mandate before most other states did, on May 6. But unlike some states, the mandate in Massachusetts also applies to outdoor public areas where it might not be possible to stay 6 feet away from others.

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Massachusetts is doubling down on testing to try to snuff out coronavirus in the state.

    This month, Gov. Charlie Baker announced a "Stop the Spread" testing initiative that will last until mid-August.

    The effort will focus on eight communities where the rates of Covid-19 are higher than the statewide average.

    "The goal of this initiative is to provide widespread asymptomatic testing in an easy-to-access location within these communities" to help stop community spread, Baker said.

    And Massachusetts is aiming to resume classroom education this fall -- but with face masks and distancing rules.

    "Students in grade 2 and above are required to wear a mask/face covering that covers their nose and mouth," according to initial guidance from the state education department. The same applies to teachers and staff members.

    For those unable to wear a mask, face shields may be used. And mask breaks should occur throughout the day if there's adequate distancing or ventilation.

    New Jersey

    How the state has improved:

    New Jersey was hit hard early in this pandemic, with hospitalizations and deaths soaring. The state has the highest rate of Covid-19 deaths per capita: 175 per 100,000 people.

    But now, New Jersey is among just a handful of states on track to contain Covid-19, according to CovidActNow.org, which tracks each state in four key areas: the infection rate, the test positivity rate, hospital capacity and contact tracing ability.

    While testing has increased, the rate of new cases has decreased. New Jersey now has a test positivity rate of about 1.3%.

    And the rate of transmission (Rt) is about 0.91, which means fewer and fewer people are getting infected.

    How New Jersey helped changed its course:

    In mid-March, Gov. Phil Murphy activated the National Guard and issued sweeping orders, including:

    -- The closure of all schools and universities starting on March 18

    -- The closure of all casinos, racetracks, theaters and gyms

    -- The closure of all nonessential retail, recreational and entertainment businesses after 8 p.m. each day

    New Jersey was the first state to issue a mask mandate, back on April 8.

    Businesses must provide masks to employees and deny entry to any customer who refuse to wear them inside the business. Those riding public transit in the state must also wear face masks.

    New Jersey also joined forces with New York and Connecticut on requiring visitors from hot-spot states to quarantine for 14 days.

    How New Jersey is trying to keep Covid-19 under control:

    Officials are urging residents not to get complacent just because the numbers have improved.

    "Our rate of transmission is in a good place today, but only a week ago ... it was above 1.0," the governor said Monday.

    "And if we change course, it's going to not only rise, but so will the number of positive test results, so will the number of hospitalizations, and so will the number, sadly, of residents who pass."

    Vermont

    How well the state is doing:

    Vermont has the lowest test positivity rate in the nation -- 0.78% as of Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    It also has the 3rd lowest number of coronavirus cases per capita and the 10th lowest Covid-19 death rate of any state.

    How they helped keep their numbers low:

    Contact tracing has steadily improved in Vermont -- from an average of 2.7 contacts made per case in April to 4.8 contacts made per case in June.

    As of last week, "2,469 contacts have been identified," the Vermont Department of Health said.

    "172 contacts became a COVID-19 case. This means that this group of people knew to stay home, and likely did not spread the virus further."

    How they're planning to keep Covid-19 under control:

    When schools reopen this fall, "All staff and students are required to wear facial coverings while in the building, as well as outside where physical distancing cannot be maintained," according to guidance issued last month by state health and education officials. That guidance could change before the school year starts.

    And despite having the lowest test positivity rate in the country, Vermont's state of emergency will be extended for another month, Gov. Phil Scott announced Tuesday.

    "It's the vehicle we need to keep certain protections in place (and) control outbreaks as they come up, so we can keep the economy open and manage this ongoing crisis," Scott said.

    "As long as the data stays consistent, we will stick with our effort to incrementally lift restrictions and get closer to a point where this order is no longer necessary."

    It's  interesting because some people on this forum have argued that leadership doesn't really matter. That Americans will do what they are going to do regardless. These states show the opposite.
    I always believed the state level was more important than the federal level.
    It has been but I think that's probably more to do with a lack of leadership from the top. The governors that ignored Trump and did their own thing are currently in much better shape than those who took their lead from Trump.

    Also, if we think macro governing level has more of an impact, why is a Repub Trumpy governor ordering cities in his state to not make masks mandatory? Taking away their choice. It kinda defies conservative logic to me. If states know best to handle their unique situation, wouldn't we further conclude that cities would know even better? I'm left scratching my head.
    This makes no sense unless you're saying Cuomo and Murphy took their lead from Trump
    I took it just the opposite. Cuomo, Murphy, Baker etc. ignored Trump and Kemp, Ducey, Abbott and DeSantis followed him rather blindly early on.
    Thank you. That was obviously my point.
    So NY, NJ & MA are the 3 highest death states and obviously those with early infection. Maybe and this is a huge stretch, those states are in a better place right now because they are not in the middle of the spread but rather on the tail end. Crazy of me to view this from a non political position, I know.

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