The coronavirus

Thoughts_Arrive

rgambs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

rgambs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

CM189191 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Shame on the World(China) Health Organization for permitting wet markets to reopen in China.

What makes you think the WHO has authority to close or open the wet markets in the first place?

Where would you like millions of Chinese people to get their food?  Would you rather that they starve to death?

Here you go...
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/pm-puzzled-by-unfathomable-animal-markets-c-973992?fbclid=IwAR2ktF62BPWD9zEQLFSK9v8seu1NYC4k9TfkAzSRIZ0mj3iK3fFly1K0Eac

So hundreds of thousands of innocent people should die around the world and we should have people losing their jobs and their businesses and being in lockdown. All this which leads to mental health issues and suicides. One person has taken his life in quarantine here.
You think that is acceptable?
That is the CCP's problem. They have the money, they should finance making wet markets hygienic.
They are a massive country, why can't they farm livestock like cattle and sheep for consumption.

You really don't know much about food production, do you?  On the scale required to feed 1.4 billion people, the next superbug will just come from the Western style livestock farms with which you are culturally comfortable (despite a lack of real experience or knowledge) like Swine Flu, MERS, and who knows what else.

Why do these viruses keep originating in China? Regardless of which animal they come from.
I doubt they'd come from livestock. 
More like, from bats and pangolins.

1.4 billion people, that's why.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about, Swine Flu originated in US/Mexican pork CAFOs and MERS was from camels. H5N1 originated in poultry.
All livestock.

Put down the conspiracy theories, stop getting information from memes, and stop rejecting solid information that people here provide out of butthurtedness at being called racist once.

Time to bring back the one child per couple rule I think.
The world is too over-populated.
Dude, many people are pissed at the CCP, including my fellow Australians. The CCP need to be held to account for this.
What conspiracy theory? Scientists are saying it originated in Wuhan from bats or pangolins at a wet market.

cincybearcat

MayDay10 said:

I think our best bet is the world pools together resources and knowledge moving forward to protect us from such an outbreak.  When something is detected like in Wuhan, everyone works in cohesion to isolate the cases, shut down travel, contact tracing, testing, etc...  


Of course that man-baby who currently sits his fat ass in the White House doesnt understand that it is 2020 and global cooperation is now a thing.  Conversely, you would need cooperation from places like China and Russia who typically arent so open.  

Yes, this type of issue shows the importance of the global organization and the risk of the country-first attitude in EVERYTHING.  

Honestly - if you don't get cooperation from a country, you make part of your plan shutting down dealings (first people movement, then you look at trade) when an emergency occurs.  Play along or vote them off the island.

pjl44

Looks like we're going to do this age-old dance again:

- Cobble together a massive relief bill chock full of unrelated pork
- Shriek that it must pass immediately because the people cannot afford another second to go by
- Demonize people like Thomas Massie who dare object
- Spend the next 6 months getting upset about all of the horrible shit buried in 800 pages of text

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1250048239610531841?s=19

bbiggs

josevolution said:

So when/if everything gets back to some form of regularity , how many here will protest our government still dealing with China what kind of repercussions would you like to see happening 

I would like to see us move away from our reliance on China.  We won't/ can't stop dealing with them altogether, but I'd like it scaled back.  Not sure I would flat out protest for it, but my vote definitely goes to break away from China on some level.

Spiritual_Chaos

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

More like, from bats and pangolins.

Did you know what a pangolin was before 2020?

No, did you? Why do you ask?

Because I can't stop looking at images of the cute little rascals.

rgambs

Thoughts_Arrive said:

rgambs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

rgambs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

CM189191 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Shame on the World(China) Health Organization for permitting wet markets to reopen in China.

What makes you think the WHO has authority to close or open the wet markets in the first place?

Where would you like millions of Chinese people to get their food?  Would you rather that they starve to death?

Here you go...
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/pm-puzzled-by-unfathomable-animal-markets-c-973992?fbclid=IwAR2ktF62BPWD9zEQLFSK9v8seu1NYC4k9TfkAzSRIZ0mj3iK3fFly1K0Eac

So hundreds of thousands of innocent people should die around the world and we should have people losing their jobs and their businesses and being in lockdown. All this which leads to mental health issues and suicides. One person has taken his life in quarantine here.
You think that is acceptable?
That is the CCP's problem. They have the money, they should finance making wet markets hygienic.
They are a massive country, why can't they farm livestock like cattle and sheep for consumption.

You really don't know much about food production, do you?  On the scale required to feed 1.4 billion people, the next superbug will just come from the Western style livestock farms with which you are culturally comfortable (despite a lack of real experience or knowledge) like Swine Flu, MERS, and who knows what else.

Why do these viruses keep originating in China? Regardless of which animal they come from.
I doubt they'd come from livestock. 
More like, from bats and pangolins.

1.4 billion people, that's why.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about, Swine Flu originated in US/Mexican pork CAFOs and MERS was from camels. H5N1 originated in poultry.
All livestock.

Put down the conspiracy theories, stop getting information from memes, and stop rejecting solid information that people here provide out of butthurtedness at being called racist once.

Time to bring back the one child per couple rule I think.
The world is too over-populated.
Dude, many people are pissed at the CCP, including my fellow Australians. The CCP need to be held to account for this.
What conspiracy theory? Scientists are saying it originated in Wuhan from bats or pangolins at a wet market.

All of them.  They are riling you up and clouding your judgement.  Not talking about the origin, just your approach to the topic as a whole.

cincybearcat

bbiggs said:

josevolution said:

So when/if everything gets back to some form of regularity , how many here will protest our government still dealing with China what kind of repercussions would you like to see happening 

I would like to see us move away from our reliance on China.  We won't/ can't stop dealing with them altogether, but I'd like it scaled back.  Not sure I would flat out protest for it, but my vote definitely goes to break away from China on some level.

Well, I'd be all for figuring out how to get manufacturing back.  But people have to be willing to pay more...pay the full cost.  They are now seeing the full cost and paying for it by losing their jobs and lives.  Somehow encouraging regional manufacturing.

Spiritual_Chaos

Bad boy Tegnell on Sweden keeping schools open:

- No large outbreaks have happened. 
- The most spread is happening in the homes within families. So not that big risk of having teachers working - if not sick.
- The spreading of the virus in schools that have occured is by teachers coming in with symptoms, and infecting others colleagues mainly - not kids. But not much of that has occured.
- Kids might not show symptoms when sick. But there have not been any signs of kids spreading the disease in any large amount. 

rgambs

pjl44 said:

Looks like we're going to do this age-old dance again:

- Cobble together a massive relief bill chock full of unrelated pork
- Shriek that it must pass immediately because the people cannot afford another second to go by
- Demonize people like Thomas Massie who dare object
- Spend the next 6 months getting upset about all of the horrible shit buried in 800 pages of text

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1250048239610531841?s=19

Hahaha the only thing funny about this is that the tax change in question is the 1 thing to which Massie wouldn't have any objections!

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

bbiggs said:

josevolution said:

So when/if everything gets back to some form of regularity , how many here will protest our government still dealing with China what kind of repercussions would you like to see happening 

I would like to see us move away from our reliance on China.  We won't/ can't stop dealing with them altogether, but I'd like it scaled back.  Not sure I would flat out protest for it, but my vote definitely goes to break away from China on some level.

Well, I'd be all for figuring out how to get manufacturing back.  But people have to be willing to pay more...pay the full cost.  They are now seeing the full cost and paying for it by losing their jobs and lives.  Somehow encouraging regional manufacturing.

There are other low cost countries to manufacture in, other than China. 

I think we all can agree that swedish made items are of the best quality in the world. But the west won't get manufacturing back -- but why not "force" or incentive companies to put it in countries that at least reach the level of "democracy" etc? Other countries in asia, or africa etc. 

rgambs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Bad boy Tegnell on Sweden keeping schools open:

- No large outbreaks have happened. 
- The most spread is happening in the homes within families. So not that big risk of having teachers working - if not sick.
- The spreading of the virus in schools that have occured is by teachers coming in with symptoms, and infecting others colleagues mainly - not kids. But not much of that has occured.
- Kids might not show symptoms when sick. But there have not been any signs of kids spreading the disease in any large amount. 

What a fucking moron.
"We can't tell if kids are sick, but we assume they aren't spreading it anyways."

Moronic.

Spiritual_Chaos

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Bad boy Tegnell on Sweden keeping schools open:

- No large outbreaks have happened. 
- The most spread is happening in the homes within families. So not that big risk of having teachers working - if not sick.
- The spreading of the virus in schools that have occured is by teachers coming in with symptoms, and infecting others colleagues mainly - not kids. But not much of that has occured.
- Kids might not show symptoms when sick. But there have not been any signs of kids spreading the disease in any large amount. 

What a fucking moron.
"We can't tell if kids are sick, but we assume they aren't spreading it anyways."

Moronic.

I would think he (and his colleagues) is more educated in the field. than you are. So his statements should by that token be more educated also.

Thank you.

CM189191

Thoughts_Arrive said:

rgambs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

CM189191 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Shame on the World(China) Health Organization for permitting wet markets to reopen in China.

What makes you think the WHO has authority to close or open the wet markets in the first place?

Where would you like millions of Chinese people to get their food?  Would you rather that they starve to death?

Here you go...
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/pm-puzzled-by-unfathomable-animal-markets-c-973992?fbclid=IwAR2ktF62BPWD9zEQLFSK9v8seu1NYC4k9TfkAzSRIZ0mj3iK3fFly1K0Eac

So hundreds of thousands of innocent people should die around the world and we should have people losing their jobs and their businesses and being in lockdown. All this which leads to mental health issues and suicides. One person has taken his life in quarantine here.
You think that is acceptable?
That is the CCP's problem. They have the money, they should finance making wet markets hygienic.
They are a massive country, why can't they farm livestock like cattle and sheep for consumption.

You really don't know much about food production, do you?  On the scale required to feed 1.4 billion people, the next superbug will just come from the Western style livestock farms with which you are culturally comfortable (despite a lack of real experience or knowledge) like Swine Flu, MERS, and who knows what else.

Why do these viruses keep originating in China? Regardless of which animal they come from.
I doubt they'd come from livestock. 
More like, from bats and pangolins.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/industry-scrambles-to-stop-fatal-bird-flu-in-south-carolina
South Carolina is not in China

If bats & pangolins were farmed, wouldn't that just make them livestock too?

rgambs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Bad boy Tegnell on Sweden keeping schools open:

- No large outbreaks have happened. 
- The most spread is happening in the homes within families. So not that big risk of having teachers working - if not sick.
- The spreading of the virus in schools that have occured is by teachers coming in with symptoms, and infecting others colleagues mainly - not kids. But not much of that has occured.
- Kids might not show symptoms when sick. But there have not been any signs of kids spreading the disease in any large amount. 

What a fucking moron.
"We can't tell if kids are sick, but we assume they aren't spreading it anyways."

Moronic.

I would think he (and his colleagues) is more educated in the field. than you are. So his statements should by that token be more educated also.

Thank you.

You might have a point if he wasn't at odds with common sense and the consensus of the rest of the scientific community of the entire world lol

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

bbiggs said:

josevolution said:

So when/if everything gets back to some form of regularity , how many here will protest our government still dealing with China what kind of repercussions would you like to see happening 

I would like to see us move away from our reliance on China.  We won't/ can't stop dealing with them altogether, but I'd like it scaled back.  Not sure I would flat out protest for it, but my vote definitely goes to break away from China on some level.

Well, I'd be all for figuring out how to get manufacturing back.  But people have to be willing to pay more...pay the full cost.  They are now seeing the full cost and paying for it by losing their jobs and lives.  Somehow encouraging regional manufacturing.

There are other low cost countries to manufacture in, other than China. 

I think we all can agree that swedish made items are of the best quality in the world. But the west won't get manufacturing back -- but why not "force" or incentive companies to put it in countries that at least reach the level of "democracy" etc? Other countries in asia, or africa etc. 

Yes there are.  We need people that are buying stuff to care about the health and safety of the workers making it wherever they are.

Regional manufacturing isn't about bring all manufacturing back, but making products in the region they are sold.  

pjl44

rgambs said:

pjl44 said:

Looks like we're going to do this age-old dance again:

- Cobble together a massive relief bill chock full of unrelated pork
- Shriek that it must pass immediately because the people cannot afford another second to go by
- Demonize people like Thomas Massie who dare object
- Spend the next 6 months getting upset about all of the horrible shit buried in 800 pages of text

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1250048239610531841?s=19

Hahaha the only thing funny about this is that the tax change in question is the 1 thing to which Massie wouldn't have any objections!

You might be right about that but then where were the voices who would reliably object to something like this?

Thoughts_Arrive

Serious question,
Don't you find it odd that China has way less deaths than the USA, Italy, Spain, and the UK?
China, a massive country with a massive population and where the virus originated only has 3,341 deaths to date (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2OsGMYG8H-i4V2AJG-kz92SiSxuQDlnG10Zn9hbZVkFq9ov22fpGzz4tw#countries)

I also find it odd that their neighbour, Russia, has only 140 deaths given their massive population.

Thoughts_Arrive

Has anyone seen this documentary yet? I haven't but it's in my saved list on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bXWGxhd7ic&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR33DdSqtr7LwWFp_LNrsQPVrsB69MFkVMQn6j01AP1ru-ax1YuunK4h_kU

Thoughts_Arrive

CM189191 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

rgambs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

CM189191 said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Shame on the World(China) Health Organization for permitting wet markets to reopen in China.

What makes you think the WHO has authority to close or open the wet markets in the first place?

Where would you like millions of Chinese people to get their food?  Would you rather that they starve to death?

Here you go...
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/pm-puzzled-by-unfathomable-animal-markets-c-973992?fbclid=IwAR2ktF62BPWD9zEQLFSK9v8seu1NYC4k9TfkAzSRIZ0mj3iK3fFly1K0Eac

So hundreds of thousands of innocent people should die around the world and we should have people losing their jobs and their businesses and being in lockdown. All this which leads to mental health issues and suicides. One person has taken his life in quarantine here.
You think that is acceptable?
That is the CCP's problem. They have the money, they should finance making wet markets hygienic.
They are a massive country, why can't they farm livestock like cattle and sheep for consumption.

You really don't know much about food production, do you?  On the scale required to feed 1.4 billion people, the next superbug will just come from the Western style livestock farms with which you are culturally comfortable (despite a lack of real experience or knowledge) like Swine Flu, MERS, and who knows what else.

Why do these viruses keep originating in China? Regardless of which animal they come from.
I doubt they'd come from livestock. 
More like, from bats and pangolins.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/industry-scrambles-to-stop-fatal-bird-flu-in-south-carolina
South Carolina is not in China

If bats & pangolins were farmed, wouldn't that just make them livestock too?

If they were safe (no presence of viruses) then I guess, yes it would.

tbergs

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Serious question,
Don't you find it odd that China has way less deaths than the USA, Italy, Spain, and the UK?
China, a massive country with a massive population and where the virus originated only has 3,341 deaths to date (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2OsGMYG8H-i4V2AJG-kz92SiSxuQDlnG10Zn9hbZVkFq9ov22fpGzz4tw#countries)

I also find it odd that their neighbour, Russia, has only 140 deaths given their massive population.

No, I find it China and Russia doing what they always do, hide information from the rest of the world. Nothing new about that. They also just lock people down because they can. Their numbers, while probably not as low as reporting, may very well be not as bad as other countries that just suggest people stay home.