The coronavirus

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

He's not the governor of my state so I never really paid to much attention to him but he seems to be doing a damn fine job through this crisis.  

Agree. He also seem to in every briefing say in subtext: "our private healthcare system sucks". Let's see how stressed he needs to get to finally just scream it out plain and clearly. Mutate into a full on Bernie Bro.

But yeah. He seems very much in control and very clear and precise. Compare it to Trumps circus shows.

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Yeah that governor is a fucking idiot of the highest order.  He only is doing it because the asswipe in Chief (who isn't to blame, there are two sides lol) changed his tone
Also, the fool said that the virus was around during super bowl in his state

People like this are baffling.  What idiots support them?

Way to go Governor.

NY and NJ governors doing a good job fighting this absent any leadership from the feds.  

Gotta keep fighting 
So many deaths and it is going to increase.

Deblasio is an ass.

Agree.  Cuomo is the man.

 I love the Cuomo who went on TV and yelled at Trump, the Cuomo who wrote an op-ed in the New York Times demanding more hospital beds and medical supplies from the federal government. That was great. That’s what leadership looks like.” Well, if you’re curious why New York will soon run out of hospital beds, it’s not solely because of the huge number of COVID-19 victims. It’s also because Cuomo has been closing down hospital space for years via his Berger Commission, which has sought efficiency in the name of “budget cuts and insurance overhauls.” This Cuomo-appointed panel just decided to cut Medicaid even further, including specific cuts to city hospitals. They didn’t arrive at this decision pre-crisis, but literally last Thursday. It would have been evil at any time, but now, as a highly contagious virus cripples the city, it’s unconscionable.

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Cuomo is “probably the single most important person in terms of the drive to close down hospital beds in this state over the last 20 years,” said Sean Petty of the New York State Nurses Association in a terrific interview with Democracy Now. Petty continued, “Specifically because of policies that Governor Cuomo has pursued, we are now 20,000 beds behind where we need to be in terms of trying to scale up our capacity.’” A flattering U.S. News article titled “How Coronavirus made Andrew Cuomo America’s Governor” (an obvious reference to the way Rudy Giuliani was called “America’s Mayor” after 9/11) points out that in the midst of the coronavirus crisis, the governor has “us[ed] New York’s resources to buy personal protective equipment and expand hospital bed space.” But does that actually mean anything, given that Cuomo trimmed the budget—much like the quarantine buzzcuts everybody’s been doing—way too close in the first place?

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/03/stop-trying-to-make-andrew-cuomo-happen

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you praise Coumo a few pages back?

Again, if I am wrong then I apologize.

So now you’re saying that we shouldn’t recognize that people can have both positive and negative aspects? 

Nope, asked a question.

Thanks though!

mcgruff10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

He's not the governor of my state so I never really paid to much attention to him but he seems to be doing a damn fine job through this crisis.  

Agree. He also seem to in every briefing say in subtext: "our private healthcare system sucks". Let's see how stressed he needs to get to finally just scream it out plain and clearly. Mutate into a full on Bernie Bro.

But yeah. He seems very much in control and very clear and precise. Compare it to Trumps circus shows.

Oh he s light years ahead of Trump; Too bad trumps inactions made us so far behind. 

tempo_n_groove

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Yeah that governor is a fucking idiot of the highest order.  He only is doing it because the asswipe in Chief (who isn't to blame, there are two sides lol) changed his tone
Also, the fool said that the virus was around during super bowl in his state

People like this are baffling.  What idiots support them?

Way to go Governor.

NY and NJ governors doing a good job fighting this absent any leadership from the feds.  

Gotta keep fighting 
So many deaths and it is going to increase.

Deblasio is an ass.

Agree.  Cuomo is the man.

 I love the Cuomo who went on TV and yelled at Trump, the Cuomo who wrote an op-ed in the New York Times demanding more hospital beds and medical supplies from the federal government. That was great. That’s what leadership looks like.” Well, if you’re curious why New York will soon run out of hospital beds, it’s not solely because of the huge number of COVID-19 victims. It’s also because Cuomo has been closing down hospital space for years via his Berger Commission, which has sought efficiency in the name of “budget cuts and insurance overhauls.” This Cuomo-appointed panel just decided to cut Medicaid even further, including specific cuts to city hospitals. They didn’t arrive at this decision pre-crisis, but literally last Thursday. It would have been evil at any time, but now, as a highly contagious virus cripples the city, it’s unconscionable.

/.../

Cuomo is “probably the single most important person in terms of the drive to close down hospital beds in this state over the last 20 years,” said Sean Petty of the New York State Nurses Association in a terrific interview with Democracy Now. Petty continued, “Specifically because of policies that Governor Cuomo has pursued, we are now 20,000 beds behind where we need to be in terms of trying to scale up our capacity.’” A flattering U.S. News article titled “How Coronavirus made Andrew Cuomo America’s Governor” (an obvious reference to the way Rudy Giuliani was called “America’s Mayor” after 9/11) points out that in the midst of the coronavirus crisis, the governor has “us[ed] New York’s resources to buy personal protective equipment and expand hospital bed space.” But does that actually mean anything, given that Cuomo trimmed the budget—much like the quarantine buzzcuts everybody’s been doing—way too close in the first place?

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/03/stop-trying-to-make-andrew-cuomo-happen

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you praise Coumo a few pages back?

Again, if I am wrong then I apologize.

No need to be all @rgambs towards me,


One can balance things out, and put forth other sides of the coin in question. It's not a teamsport with MY team and the OTHER team.

I praised his President-in-a-Michael-Bay-movie style of stern comfort in his briefings. Also his playful relationship with his brother I have linked videos to. And I stand by that.

https://youtu.be/K6RfnO6ULMQ

Was wondering what the angle was?

Cuomo is not perfect by any means but he is a pure leader during this abysmal time.

F Me In The Brain

DewieCox said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Yeah that governor is a fucking idiot of the highest order.  He only is doing it because the asswipe in Chief (who isn't to blame, there are two sides lol) changed his tone
Also, the fool said that the virus was around during super bowl in his state

People like this are baffling.  What idiots support them?

Way to go Governor.

NY and NJ governors doing a good job fighting this absent any leadership from the feds.  

Gotta keep fighting 
So many deaths and it is going to increase.

Why is that Trumps fault? The gov is fully capable of gathering his own info and has had the go ahead to shut down the state for weeks.

Why is it hard to believe the virus was around in Feb?

Nobody is going to convince people who want to look the other way that it was the federal govts responsibility to leverage all of the best data available to them to take the right position and make governors clear on the risks the top experts were were sharing.
Instead he golfed 
Further, the idiot in charge of Florida is a Trump Stooge.  Look at everything he said yesterday....third most populous state in the us and he kept checking with Donny to ask if they were recommending he take these steps (lock down)
He didn't hear a Yes, so he didn't go it.
He played the Trump card....he pushed responsibility to others beneath him.  In this case, the counties and cities in Florida.
Where is the leadership from either idiot?

As far as the Super Bowl....why would Desantis make this claim?
He didn't feel it was around in any way to be concerned about during spring break.....he didn't even announce the first positive case in FL until a month after the Super Bowl.
How do all of these things connect?

My point was that he failed his people and is an idiot.  (Go up the ladder - same thing)

Spiritual_Chaos

What will the world do with all the ventilators when this is all over?

tempo_n_groove

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What will the world do with all the ventilators when this is all over?

Place them in storage for the next pandemic or loan them to another country that needs them?

bbiggs

tempo_n_groove said:

So, anyone that has been screaming that what has been going on in Italy is because of "socialized medicine" please read this from the land of the home and the free...
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/coronavirus-nyc-emts-stop-taking-cardiac-arrest-patients-to-hospitals/

This is awful.  I don't know what percentage of cardiac arrest victims have a better outcome at the hospital than they would when paramedics arrive on the scene (I suspect it is low), but this is another example of the ripple effect this virus is having on healthcare.  Frightening.

tempo_n_groove

bbiggs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So, anyone that has been screaming that what has been going on in Italy is because of "socialized medicine" please read this from the land of the home and the free...
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/coronavirus-nyc-emts-stop-taking-cardiac-arrest-patients-to-hospitals/

This is awful.  I don't know what percentage of cardiac arrest victims have a better outcome at the hospital than they would when paramedics arrive on the scene (I suspect it is low), but this is another example of the ripple effect this virus is having on healthcare.  Frightening.

No, no.  It's "socialism"!!!

bbiggs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

What will the world do with all the ventilators when this is all over?

Save them to be better prepared for the next outbreak.

Merkin Baller

Has Trump condemned what Rush Limbaugh said about Dr. Fauci this week?

Asking for all the people who keep saying both sides are equally bad.

MayDay10

And Fauci has been receiving death threats


but left = right

tempo_n_groove

https://www.ny.gov/

Cuomo is on everyday at noon.

FiveBelow

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josevolution said:

Ok so no one is to blame cool so the same can be said of no one takes responsibility correct? And who do you think will take credit when this is over? 

Blah blah blah. I never said trump didn’t drop the ball holy shit. Cool down dude. Not everything is a personal political attack. I’m just saying both sides acted irresponsibly. That’s a fact. Hopefully we’ll all be better prepared for the next one. 

lol both sides please tell me the sides or teams you speak of? Who will take responsibility for saving the world I’m asking a question..

I wasn’t defending trump. I’m just showing how completely unprepared everyone was and how neither side took this seriously until it was too late. And of course he’ll claim he saved the world. We’re in the middle of it and all he does is talking about the terrific job he’s doing. It’s old news. His actions don’t shock or surprise me anymore. 

Here is my take.  Most of the Western World did not do a good job with this.  But....There is only one US President right now. There is only one WHite House Administration right now.  There is only one Republican controlled Senate. 

It is the President's job to lead, and then people follow.  The governors were left to fend for themselves and took the lead from the WHite House that this wasn't a big deal and was an impeachment hoax.  The different government organizations take the lead from the administration.   You can say everyone was unprepared, but there was information out there in Dec/Jan and the leader/party that is in power and asked for votes so they could be in power and in-charge failed to act soon enough.   If someone that works for me fails to start a project and the client gets mad, they are calling me because  it is my fault and failure to lead. 

Sure, we were unprepared before Trump took office.  But there were two months practically that the US failed to lead and take action. 

Not trying to poke the bear, but in all fairness the only thing the Democrats were focused on was the ongoing impeachment when the initial news broke. Not saying this is their fault, just stating that they had their minds elsewhere as well. I do agree with many of your points.

***This is not an endorsement for trump***

It sorta is. This was on March 9th. March 9.

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So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!



Your recollection is vastly inaccurate. Think about that.

I’m not following you on this. My comment was in response to the early news in Dec/Jan, and how nobody was really focusing on the looming pandemic because everyone was in impeachment mode. I don’t recall politicians or professionals calling for immediate action prior to the initial travel ban that was questioned at the time. This tweet obviously spread a false sense of security, but I don’t know how it relates to what I said or how what I said is seen as an endorsement.

The Democrats do not run the CDC or other agencies to prepare for a crisis like this. It is literally the presidents job to do so. So to create a comparison of what the democrats were doing in january is dangerously ignoring what the potus job was to do at that time. Go ahead and take a look at how Clinton handled his impeachment. He focused on his job. As recently as March 9 trump was not taking this seriously and there were significant delays in testing and shelter in place recommendations that will cost tens of thousands of lives. That has nothing to do with what democrats were doing up to feb 5.

 That “false sense of security” is exactly what is costing lives.

So we agree on the false sense of security, good. At the same time, Fauci has said the travel ban placed on January 31st saved tens of thousands of lives, but yet it was still met with harsh criticism. House Dems were pushing to pass the No Ban Act on March 12th, just 3 days after trump tweeted damaging information they were pushing to halt travel restrictions that were deemed as life saving by the NIAID. What if they had got the act passed, what would the current situation look like? See how this works? You see one side as responsible for everything and I choose to believe both parties have skin in the game. My viewpoint isn't an attack on you, it is your choice to believe whatever you want.

Why did Team trump Treason wait 2-3 weeks before implementing the travel ban then? He was told by our intelligence agencies before the congressional intelligence committees were informed and prior to his Secretary of Health finally getting to him on January 18th. But yea, lets blame the dem house for an action taken on March 12th and intimate that both sides are bad. Only Bernie can save us. What if Team trump treason had done nothing? See how that works? Because he belatedly did something well after the cat was out of the bag, the dems are to be equally be blamed. Only one party controls the Executive Branch, the branch most equipped and able to handle and authorize a response to a pandemic.

I can’t wait for the next democratic president. You all will finally get your trophy back and the rest of us won’t have to be reminded on a daily basis how upset you are. I’m done.

I’m sorry the black guy ruined your life.

Wow, really? Way to show your true colors.

You’re the one claiming “both sides are the same side of bad,” not me.

In what delusional world are you living in that would bring you to the assumption that someones skin color has anything to do with my feelings on our government as a whole? Do yourself a favor and take your hate elsewhere before you come off any more distasteful than you already have.

What delusional world are you living in that the two major political parties in the US are the same side of bad. Distasteful? Yea, racism is distasteful and I voted for and supported Obama throughout and continue to do so. Your blame and resentment is misguided and misdirected but you keep being you. Hate is a strong word. I dislike your opinions.

I am okay with you disliking my opinions, but you assuming racism was below the belt and yes, distasteful. Choosing to hold all elected officials to the same standard regardless of political affiliation is what I will continue to do, I think it is irresponsible to do otherwise. My opinion has not changed in the last 20 years and I am not going to be influenced by the opinions of others on a rock bands forum. Back and forth is fine, all I ask is to keep it clean. If I met you at a show I wouldn't think twice to buy you a beer and show you that people with different views can still get along. One thing we have in common brought us here, I think it is important that we remember that. Now back to CoVid-19 talk.

Spiritual_Chaos

Halifax2TheMax

Has Team Trump Treason condemned the guy who purposely derailed a train near the hospital ship Mercy because of a conspiracy theory yet? How about Moscow Mitchy Baby or VP Pence? “Democrat hoax.” Yup, both sides are the same.

DewieCox

Merkin Baller said:

Has Trump condemned what Rush Limbaugh said about Dr. Fauci this week?

Asking for all the people who keep saying both sides are equally bad.

We know Trump and Limbaugh are shit bags. What’s the point? 

MayDay10 said:

And Fauci has been receiving death threats


but left = right

From republican politicians? I don’t personally know any republicans that are doling out death threats or are ok with it. Extremists on both sides are equally as psychotic. 

nicknyr15

MayDay10 said:

And Fauci has been receiving death threats


but left = right

How many people have been beat up for simply wearing a MAGA hat? Maniacs are on both sides. 

bbiggs

Damn.  This thread has gone sideways.  I'm personally going to step aside for a while to let everyone discuss Trump, both sides, etc.  Be safe and healthy, everyone!

CM189191

nicknyr15 said:

MayDay10 said:

And Fauci has been receiving death threats


but left = right

How many people have been beat up for simply wearing a MAGA hat? Maniacs are on both sides.