The coronavirus

hedonist

Einsteins abound...

josevolution

Hell yeah churches full of the devoted on Easter Sunday in a week yes, let him be the 1st to enter one of those mega churches with 10k partitioners show us what a fierce leader you are!

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/1242503028000927746?s=20

oftenreading

gimmesometruth27 said:

CM189191 said:

Why would it need to mutate?  It's doing a pretty effective job in the state it it's already in...

it is a living thing. all living things adapt or mutate in order to survive. this is how we get drug resistant bacteria. you hit bacteria with antibiotics and eventually over time they adapt to where the antibiotic is no longer effective.

the fact that covid-19 is not mutating is reassuring. this doesn't mean that it will not. it just has not been mutating in the short time that it has been studied.

the thing I do not get is, if a virus feeds and thrives off of a host, why does it end up killing the host? isnt't that suicide for the virus?

The effective ones don’t kill most hosts, which is generally true of all types of infections, whether parasitic, viral, bacterial, or what have you. Infectious agents that kill all or most of their hosts don’t tend to get propagated, as the opportunity for spread dies out. However, in order to replicate, the virus does need to hijack the cellular mechanisms so it does cause damage. The ideal situation for the virus is to replicate enough that it makes maximal copies to be dispersed, while keeping most of the hosts alive to spread the virus. A bit of collateral damage doesn’t impede spread much. 

Meltdown99

I Work for a cannabis company and have been deemed essential...

no problem by me.  I wanna keep my income flowing.

from my perspective the government wanting everything shutdown is to flatten the curve as to avoid crippling the healthcare system.

gimmesometruth27

oftenreading said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

CM189191 said:

Why would it need to mutate?  It's doing a pretty effective job in the state it it's already in...

it is a living thing. all living things adapt or mutate in order to survive. this is how we get drug resistant bacteria. you hit bacteria with antibiotics and eventually over time they adapt to where the antibiotic is no longer effective.

the fact that covid-19 is not mutating is reassuring. this doesn't mean that it will not. it just has not been mutating in the short time that it has been studied.

the thing I do not get is, if a virus feeds and thrives off of a host, why does it end up killing the host? isnt't that suicide for the virus?

The effective ones don’t kill most hosts, which is generally true of all types of infections, whether parasitic, viral, bacterial, or what have you. Infectious agents that kill all or most of their hosts don’t tend to get propagated, as the opportunity for spread dies out. However, in order to replicate, the virus does need to hijack the cellular mechanisms so it does cause damage. The ideal situation for the virus is to replicate enough that it makes maximal copies to be dispersed, while keeping most of the hosts alive to spread the virus. A bit of collateral damage doesn’t impede spread much. 

this is pretty amazing. thanks for explaining.

wndowpayne

My job involves going in peoples homes daily..I am finishing this week and using some vacation all next week..It seems like the sensible thing to do.We are getting more cases daily in Va.

HughFreakingDillon

https://globalnews.ca/news/6716475/winnipeg-researchers-covid-19-treatment/

winnipeg biotech firm (my brother is high up in the company) says they may have a treatment as early as this summer. 

mcgruff10

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6716475/winnipeg-researchers-covid-19-treatment/

winnipeg biotech firm (my brother is high up in the company) says they may have a treatment as early as this summer. 

awesome job Brother Hugh!

Spunkie

Meltdown99 said:

I Work for a cannabis company and have been deemed essential...

omg. Thats f##kin' awesome! 

Doing great Bri, thank you very much for asking! Gonna try to decipher some of the goddamn words till the snail mail arrives... Didn't even check on my community numbers, although I'm paranoid of the food containers/plastic. JFC!

mrussel1

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that! 

It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.

Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”

let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.

for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...

...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.

further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants

im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?

So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm?  There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork?  I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse.  It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty.  If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going.  If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long. 

Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.

Are they better off dead after committing multiple murders? 

Lol because going to work is the same as murdering.  Quite extreme.  So protecting the lives of people from the virus is more important than protecting people’s lives and livelihoods from the economic impact? Check.
Let me guess you are financially set to get through this for the long haul?  or are a member of an at risk populations?  What about the at risk poor and working class that may not make it through an extended shut down? Or are the needs of them less important?

If you are really worried about murdering really take a step outside your immediate reaction and think what will happen if millions plunge into financial ruin. I’m sure they will be so busy breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for staying inside and going broke to do anything drastic.  

As ever before. I am all for extending the quarantine if there is a safety net for those in immediate or short term financial risk.  If not people are gonna have to do something. And it won’t be their fault if people die. It will be the fault of The credit card companies, landlords and banks that continue demanding money when none comes in. As well as our elected leaders for doing nothing.  If I have to go to work to keep myself and my family from financial ruin like millions of others and the option is there I will. And that won’t make me or anyone else a monster or a horrible person.  

Your points are valid, but what do you think is going to happen if everyone goes back to work and the virus keeps spreading?

Do you think the economy is going to bounce back with an incredibly contagious disease crippling our hospitals?

Do you think people are going to be going to bars and restaurants in this scenario?

I agree there needs to be a safety net for people most affected, but the only way to address this virus is to contain it.

I agree 💯 bit it seems like not many people are thinking about anything but the virus itself. Either option is horrible going back to work or indefinite quarantine. No one has a moral high ground here. This really illustrates our broken political system like nothing I’ve seen as well as the class divide. I’ve written letters to my senators.  Cruz and Cormyn. Fat lot of good those  idiots are gonna do.  No sector of the population is more important than the other. People in charge need to make some drastic measures. 

But I don't think anyone is talking about "indefinite quarantine".

Unless I'm mistaken, other countries have seen positive results after several weeks of aggressive lockdowns.

Going back to work may solve some financial problems for a lot of people in the short term, but what good will that be if the virus rages unchecked forcing companies to close (again) and killing hundreds of thousands if not millions?

If it doesn't get contained more sooner than later, you can kiss any hope of a healthy economy goodbye for years.

The longer we wait to aggressively approach this, the worse it will get in all aspects, including the economic toll.

I have little faith that our government can come up with a plan to address all these concerns.  We (my family) can make it 2-3 months here. But if as they say a vaccine may not be ready for 18 months what then.  If you wait 2-3 months for the number Of infected to go down and open everything for business isn’t it likely that the number of infected will explode again?  And then you repeat the process?  

You raise a lot of good points and it has me thinking differently. I still see a huge need to address the financial concerns of everyone that is out of work.

I'm certainly nowhere near panic mode yet. I just have a problem with the current shortsighted, take it day by day view. There are people with severe economic needs, and everyday that that side of the crisis is not addressed things get a little bit worse, and it gets closer to being a bigger problem for more and more people on the lower end of the wealthiest country on earth.

The senate bill that is “at the two yard line” according to chuck, will provide full income for four months for those out of work.  I don’t know the details of how that is calculate nor how it deals with tipped workers, but that will certainly be a huge boost.  It will also provide incentives for their previous employers to continue providing benefits.  If this works, it will stabilize th economy through the summer.

F Me In The Brain

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that! 

It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.

Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”

let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.

for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...

...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.

further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants

im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?

So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm?  There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork?  I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse.  It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty.  If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going.  If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long. 

Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.

Are they better off dead after committing multiple murders? 

Lol because going to work is the same as murdering.  Quite extreme.  So protecting the lives of people from the virus is more important than protecting people’s lives and livelihoods from the economic impact? Check.
Let me guess you are financially set to get through this for the long haul?  or are a member of an at risk populations?  What about the at risk poor and working class that may not make it through an extended shut down? Or are the needs of them less important?

If you are really worried about murdering really take a step outside your immediate reaction and think what will happen if millions plunge into financial ruin. I’m sure they will be so busy breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for staying inside and going broke to do anything drastic.  

As ever before. I am all for extending the quarantine if there is a safety net for those in immediate or short term financial risk.  If not people are gonna have to do something. And it won’t be their fault if people die. It will be the fault of The credit card companies, landlords and banks that continue demanding money when none comes in. As well as our elected leaders for doing nothing.  If I have to go to work to keep myself and my family from financial ruin like millions of others and the option is there I will. And that won’t make me or anyone else a monster or a horrible person.  

Your points are valid, but what do you think is going to happen if everyone goes back to work and the virus keeps spreading?

Do you think the economy is going to bounce back with an incredibly contagious disease crippling our hospitals?

Do you think people are going to be going to bars and restaurants in this scenario?

I agree there needs to be a safety net for people most affected, but the only way to address this virus is to contain it.

I agree 💯 bit it seems like not many people are thinking about anything but the virus itself. Either option is horrible going back to work or indefinite quarantine. No one has a moral high ground here. This really illustrates our broken political system like nothing I’ve seen as well as the class divide. I’ve written letters to my senators.  Cruz and Cormyn. Fat lot of good those  idiots are gonna do.  No sector of the population is more important than the other. People in charge need to make some drastic measures. 

But I don't think anyone is talking about "indefinite quarantine".

Unless I'm mistaken, other countries have seen positive results after several weeks of aggressive lockdowns.

Going back to work may solve some financial problems for a lot of people in the short term, but what good will that be if the virus rages unchecked forcing companies to close (again) and killing hundreds of thousands if not millions?

If it doesn't get contained more sooner than later, you can kiss any hope of a healthy economy goodbye for years.

The longer we wait to aggressively approach this, the worse it will get in all aspects, including the economic toll.

I have little faith that our government can come up with a plan to address all these concerns.  We (my family) can make it 2-3 months here. But if as they say a vaccine may not be ready for 18 months what then.  If you wait 2-3 months for the number Of infected to go down and open everything for business isn’t it likely that the number of infected will explode again?  And then you repeat the process?  

You raise a lot of good points and it has me thinking differently. I still see a huge need to address the financial concerns of everyone that is out of work.

I'm certainly nowhere near panic mode yet. I just have a problem with the current shortsighted, take it day by day view. There are people with severe economic needs, and everyday that that side of the crisis is not addressed things get a little bit worse, and it gets closer to being a bigger problem for more and more people on the lower end of the wealthiest country on earth.

The senate bill that is “at the two yard line” according to chuck, will provide full income for four months for those out of work.  I don’t know the details of how that is calculate nor how it deals with tipped workers, but that will certainly be a huge boost.  It will also provide incentives for their previous employers to continue providing benefits.  If this works, it will stabilize th economy through the summer.

That would be great....but how would that gel with President Dope's plan to reopen by Rebirthday?

I would be stunned if it was full income but this would be good backing by the govt

Merkin Baller

F Me In The Brain said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that! 

It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.

Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”

let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.

for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...

...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.

further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants

im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?

So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm?  There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork?  I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse.  It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty.  If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going.  If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long. 

Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.

Are they better off dead after committing multiple murders? 

Lol because going to work is the same as murdering.  Quite extreme.  So protecting the lives of people from the virus is more important than protecting people’s lives and livelihoods from the economic impact? Check.
Let me guess you are financially set to get through this for the long haul?  or are a member of an at risk populations?  What about the at risk poor and working class that may not make it through an extended shut down? Or are the needs of them less important?

If you are really worried about murdering really take a step outside your immediate reaction and think what will happen if millions plunge into financial ruin. I’m sure they will be so busy breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for staying inside and going broke to do anything drastic.  

As ever before. I am all for extending the quarantine if there is a safety net for those in immediate or short term financial risk.  If not people are gonna have to do something. And it won’t be their fault if people die. It will be the fault of The credit card companies, landlords and banks that continue demanding money when none comes in. As well as our elected leaders for doing nothing.  If I have to go to work to keep myself and my family from financial ruin like millions of others and the option is there I will. And that won’t make me or anyone else a monster or a horrible person.  

Your points are valid, but what do you think is going to happen if everyone goes back to work and the virus keeps spreading?

Do you think the economy is going to bounce back with an incredibly contagious disease crippling our hospitals?

Do you think people are going to be going to bars and restaurants in this scenario?

I agree there needs to be a safety net for people most affected, but the only way to address this virus is to contain it.

I agree 💯 bit it seems like not many people are thinking about anything but the virus itself. Either option is horrible going back to work or indefinite quarantine. No one has a moral high ground here. This really illustrates our broken political system like nothing I’ve seen as well as the class divide. I’ve written letters to my senators.  Cruz and Cormyn. Fat lot of good those  idiots are gonna do.  No sector of the population is more important than the other. People in charge need to make some drastic measures. 

But I don't think anyone is talking about "indefinite quarantine".

Unless I'm mistaken, other countries have seen positive results after several weeks of aggressive lockdowns.

Going back to work may solve some financial problems for a lot of people in the short term, but what good will that be if the virus rages unchecked forcing companies to close (again) and killing hundreds of thousands if not millions?

If it doesn't get contained more sooner than later, you can kiss any hope of a healthy economy goodbye for years.

The longer we wait to aggressively approach this, the worse it will get in all aspects, including the economic toll.

I have little faith that our government can come up with a plan to address all these concerns.  We (my family) can make it 2-3 months here. But if as they say a vaccine may not be ready for 18 months what then.  If you wait 2-3 months for the number Of infected to go down and open everything for business isn’t it likely that the number of infected will explode again?  And then you repeat the process?  

You raise a lot of good points and it has me thinking differently. I still see a huge need to address the financial concerns of everyone that is out of work.

I'm certainly nowhere near panic mode yet. I just have a problem with the current shortsighted, take it day by day view. There are people with severe economic needs, and everyday that that side of the crisis is not addressed things get a little bit worse, and it gets closer to being a bigger problem for more and more people on the lower end of the wealthiest country on earth.

The senate bill that is “at the two yard line” according to chuck, will provide full income for four months for those out of work.  I don’t know the details of how that is calculate nor how it deals with tipped workers, but that will certainly be a huge boost.  It will also provide incentives for their previous employers to continue providing benefits.  If this works, it will stabilize th economy through the summer.

That would be great....but how would that gel with President Dope's plan to reopen by Rebirthday?

I would be stunned if it was full income but this would be good backing by the govt

As I understand it, it’s up to the governors whether or not to allow their respective states to go back to work, in the end Trump has no say. (If I’m mistaken, someone please correct me)

brianlux

Merkin Baller said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that! 

It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.

Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”

let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.

for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...

...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.

further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants

im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?

So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm?  There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork?  I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse.  It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty.  If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going.  If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long. 

Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.

Are they better off dead after committing multiple murders? 

Lol because going to work is the same as murdering.  Quite extreme.  So protecting the lives of people from the virus is more important than protecting people’s lives and livelihoods from the economic impact? Check.
Let me guess you are financially set to get through this for the long haul?  or are a member of an at risk populations?  What about the at risk poor and working class that may not make it through an extended shut down? Or are the needs of them less important?

If you are really worried about murdering really take a step outside your immediate reaction and think what will happen if millions plunge into financial ruin. I’m sure they will be so busy breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for staying inside and going broke to do anything drastic.  

As ever before. I am all for extending the quarantine if there is a safety net for those in immediate or short term financial risk.  If not people are gonna have to do something. And it won’t be their fault if people die. It will be the fault of The credit card companies, landlords and banks that continue demanding money when none comes in. As well as our elected leaders for doing nothing.  If I have to go to work to keep myself and my family from financial ruin like millions of others and the option is there I will. And that won’t make me or anyone else a monster or a horrible person.  

Your points are valid, but what do you think is going to happen if everyone goes back to work and the virus keeps spreading?

Do you think the economy is going to bounce back with an incredibly contagious disease crippling our hospitals?

Do you think people are going to be going to bars and restaurants in this scenario?

I agree there needs to be a safety net for people most affected, but the only way to address this virus is to contain it.

I agree 💯 bit it seems like not many people are thinking about anything but the virus itself. Either option is horrible going back to work or indefinite quarantine. No one has a moral high ground here. This really illustrates our broken political system like nothing I’ve seen as well as the class divide. I’ve written letters to my senators.  Cruz and Cormyn. Fat lot of good those  idiots are gonna do.  No sector of the population is more important than the other. People in charge need to make some drastic measures. 

But I don't think anyone is talking about "indefinite quarantine".

Unless I'm mistaken, other countries have seen positive results after several weeks of aggressive lockdowns.

Going back to work may solve some financial problems for a lot of people in the short term, but what good will that be if the virus rages unchecked forcing companies to close (again) and killing hundreds of thousands if not millions?

If it doesn't get contained more sooner than later, you can kiss any hope of a healthy economy goodbye for years.

The longer we wait to aggressively approach this, the worse it will get in all aspects, including the economic toll.

I have little faith that our government can come up with a plan to address all these concerns.  We (my family) can make it 2-3 months here. But if as they say a vaccine may not be ready for 18 months what then.  If you wait 2-3 months for the number Of infected to go down and open everything for business isn’t it likely that the number of infected will explode again?  And then you repeat the process?  

You raise a lot of good points and it has me thinking differently. I still see a huge need to address the financial concerns of everyone that is out of work.

I'm certainly nowhere near panic mode yet. I just have a problem with the current shortsighted, take it day by day view. There are people with severe economic needs, and everyday that that side of the crisis is not addressed things get a little bit worse, and it gets closer to being a bigger problem for more and more people on the lower end of the wealthiest country on earth.

The senate bill that is “at the two yard line” according to chuck, will provide full income for four months for those out of work.  I don’t know the details of how that is calculate nor how it deals with tipped workers, but that will certainly be a huge boost.  It will also provide incentives for their previous employers to continue providing benefits.  If this works, it will stabilize th economy through the summer.

That would be great....but how would that gel with President Dope's plan to reopen by Rebirthday?

I would be stunned if it was full income but this would be good backing by the govt

As I understand it, it’s up to the governors whether or not to allow their respective states to go back to work, in the end Trump has no say. (If I’m mistaken, someone please correct me)

I've read the same elsewhere so I believe that is the case. 

Hopefully our Gov Newsom will continue the shelter in place, especially as our state is a hotspot. 

Sorry to hear NY hit so hard.  I hope they keep staying in place.

bbiggs

Merkin Baller said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that! 

It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.

Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”

let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.

for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...

...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.

further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants

im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?

So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm?  There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork?  I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse.  It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty.  If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going.  If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long. 

Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.

Are they better off dead after committing multiple murders? 

Lol because going to work is the same as murdering.  Quite extreme.  So protecting the lives of people from the virus is more important than protecting people’s lives and livelihoods from the economic impact? Check.
Let me guess you are financially set to get through this for the long haul?  or are a member of an at risk populations?  What about the at risk poor and working class that may not make it through an extended shut down? Or are the needs of them less important?

If you are really worried about murdering really take a step outside your immediate reaction and think what will happen if millions plunge into financial ruin. I’m sure they will be so busy breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for staying inside and going broke to do anything drastic.  

As ever before. I am all for extending the quarantine if there is a safety net for those in immediate or short term financial risk.  If not people are gonna have to do something. And it won’t be their fault if people die. It will be the fault of The credit card companies, landlords and banks that continue demanding money when none comes in. As well as our elected leaders for doing nothing.  If I have to go to work to keep myself and my family from financial ruin like millions of others and the option is there I will. And that won’t make me or anyone else a monster or a horrible person.  

Your points are valid, but what do you think is going to happen if everyone goes back to work and the virus keeps spreading?

Do you think the economy is going to bounce back with an incredibly contagious disease crippling our hospitals?

Do you think people are going to be going to bars and restaurants in this scenario?

I agree there needs to be a safety net for people most affected, but the only way to address this virus is to contain it.

I agree 💯 bit it seems like not many people are thinking about anything but the virus itself. Either option is horrible going back to work or indefinite quarantine. No one has a moral high ground here. This really illustrates our broken political system like nothing I’ve seen as well as the class divide. I’ve written letters to my senators.  Cruz and Cormyn. Fat lot of good those  idiots are gonna do.  No sector of the population is more important than the other. People in charge need to make some drastic measures. 

But I don't think anyone is talking about "indefinite quarantine".

Unless I'm mistaken, other countries have seen positive results after several weeks of aggressive lockdowns.

Going back to work may solve some financial problems for a lot of people in the short term, but what good will that be if the virus rages unchecked forcing companies to close (again) and killing hundreds of thousands if not millions?

If it doesn't get contained more sooner than later, you can kiss any hope of a healthy economy goodbye for years.

The longer we wait to aggressively approach this, the worse it will get in all aspects, including the economic toll.

I have little faith that our government can come up with a plan to address all these concerns.  We (my family) can make it 2-3 months here. But if as they say a vaccine may not be ready for 18 months what then.  If you wait 2-3 months for the number Of infected to go down and open everything for business isn’t it likely that the number of infected will explode again?  And then you repeat the process?  

You raise a lot of good points and it has me thinking differently. I still see a huge need to address the financial concerns of everyone that is out of work.

I'm certainly nowhere near panic mode yet. I just have a problem with the current shortsighted, take it day by day view. There are people with severe economic needs, and everyday that that side of the crisis is not addressed things get a little bit worse, and it gets closer to being a bigger problem for more and more people on the lower end of the wealthiest country on earth.

The senate bill that is “at the two yard line” according to chuck, will provide full income for four months for those out of work.  I don’t know the details of how that is calculate nor how it deals with tipped workers, but that will certainly be a huge boost.  It will also provide incentives for their previous employers to continue providing benefits.  If this works, it will stabilize th economy through the summer.

That would be great....but how would that gel with President Dope's plan to reopen by Rebirthday?

I would be stunned if it was full income but this would be good backing by the govt

As I understand it, it’s up to the governors whether or not to allow their respective states to go back to work, in the end Trump has no say. (If I’m mistaken, someone please correct me)

If accurate, this will work in our favor in IL with Pritzker calling the shots. 

mcgruff10

First world problems I know but something just hit me hard: I won’t be able to my son on his birthday Thursday.  My ex is a nurse practitioner in the trenches with all this.  We agreed to keep him with her until this all this passes.  Haven’t seen him in almost two weeks and I am cool with that but missing his birthday, god damn I am crushed. 

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

First world problems I know but something just hit me hard: I won’t be able to my son on his birthday Thursday.  My ex is a nurse practitioner in the trenches with all this.  We agreed to keep him with her until this all this passes.  Haven’t seen him in almost two weeks and I am cool with that but missing his birthday, god damn I am crushed. 

First world or no, that sucks.  Man, I'm sorry.  Can you FaceTIme with him? 

That's what my wife does with her daughter in Alaska the few times she's been back to the (closed) store where we have better internet connections.  The rest of the time it's just smart phoning.

DewieCox

mcgruff10 said:

First world problems I know but something just hit me hard: I won’t be able to my son on his birthday Thursday.  My ex is a nurse practitioner in the trenches with all this.  We agreed to keep him with her until this all this passes.  Haven’t seen him in almost two weeks and I am cool with that but missing his birthday, god damn I am crushed. 

Dude, fuck that!! Ain’t no first world problem. People are supposed to be able to be there for their kids. That sucks!! Don’t know the particular situation but people have been doing some neat stuff for kids that are missing the parties.... Doing drive by birthday parades and Facebook parties. Maybe you can think of a way to  make his birthday memorable for a better reason than this bullshit. 

bbiggs

mcgruff10 said:

First world problems I know but something just hit me hard: I won’t be able to my son on his birthday Thursday.  My ex is a nurse practitioner in the trenches with all this.  We agreed to keep him with her until this all this passes.  Haven’t seen him in almost two weeks and I am cool with that but missing his birthday, god damn I am crushed. 

Ahhh, sorry to hear this man. I’m sure he’ll understand and be thankful for FaceTime.  Hopefully you’ll be able to find a way to celebrate together with technology. Something to look forward to and celebrate in person once this all passes. 

Meltdown99

tish said:

Meltdown99 said:

I Work for a cannabis company and have been deemed essential...

omg. Thats f##kin' awesome! (I haven't touched jacksh#t for almost 2 decades, but that smell smells like home to me! My Dad was a grower, rode his bike like the devil 'til the day he died. Hurry up RA, I need a good excuse!)

Doing great Bri, thank you very much for asking! Gonna try to decipher some of the goddamn words till the snail mail arrives... Didn't even check on my community numbers, although I'm paranoid of the food containers/plastic. JFC!

The smell is not all that potent, they do good at muting the smell...I can say this...I would never by their weed or government weed...But for a greenhouse/farm job  (under the labor code) I get paid well.  I am also at the only cannabis company in Canada to turn a profit...