The coronavirus

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

mcgruff10 said:

DewieCox said:

mcgruff10 said:

First world problems I know but something just hit me hard: I won’t be able to my son on his birthday Thursday.  My ex is a nurse practitioner in the trenches with all this.  We agreed to keep him with her until this all this passes.  Haven’t seen him in almost two weeks and I am cool with that but missing his birthday, god damn I am crushed. 

Dude, fuck that!! Ain’t no first world problem. People are supposed to be able to be there for their kids. That sucks!! Don’t know the particular situation but people have been doing some neat stuff for kids that are missing the parties.... Doing drive by birthday parades and Facebook parties. Maybe you can think of a way to  make his birthday memorable for a better reason than this bullshit. 

Thanks for all the kind responses.  
A drive by would kill me, I wouldn’t be able to see him from afar like that without giving him a hug. I m teary eyed just thinking of it.  
I’ll probably just FaceTime him.  Ordered a cool ass legocity set for him, hopefully it gets there in time. Wanted to get him yanks tix but there is so much uncertainty this year.  

I'm conversing with my siblings as to whether or not it would be ok to go sit on the porch with my parents for an hour this weekend.

This is frigging brutal.

 

No.  You on grass.  Them on porch.

cincybearcat

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mcgruff10 said:

DewieCox said:

mcgruff10 said:

First world problems I know but something just hit me hard: I won’t be able to my son on his birthday Thursday.  My ex is a nurse practitioner in the trenches with all this.  We agreed to keep him with her until this all this passes.  Haven’t seen him in almost two weeks and I am cool with that but missing his birthday, god damn I am crushed. 

Dude, fuck that!! Ain’t no first world problem. People are supposed to be able to be there for their kids. That sucks!! Don’t know the particular situation but people have been doing some neat stuff for kids that are missing the parties.... Doing drive by birthday parades and Facebook parties. Maybe you can think of a way to  make his birthday memorable for a better reason than this bullshit. 

Thanks for all the kind responses.  
A drive by would kill me, I wouldn’t be able to see him from afar like that without giving him a hug. I m teary eyed just thinking of it.  
I’ll probably just FaceTime him.  Ordered a cool ass legocity set for him, hopefully it gets there in time. Wanted to get him yanks tix but there is so much uncertainty this year.  

I'm conversing with my siblings as to whether or not it would be ok to go sit on the porch with my parents for an hour this weekend.

This is frigging brutal.

 

No.  You on grass.  Them on porch.

How big is the porch?

nicknyr15

This fuckin virus is killing and/or severely affecting people of all ages. It’s getting real scary. I know it’s a lower percentage if you’re young but there are some scary stories out there that go against everything we originally thought. And nobody has any answers. 

Ledbetterman10

nicknyr15 said:

This fuckin virus is killing and/or severely affecting people of all ages. It’s getting real scary. I know it’s a lower percentage if you’re young but there are some scary stories out there that go against everything we originally thought. And nobody has any answers. 

I saw a report that said while the elderly are the ones dying the most from it, people aged 20-60 have made up the most hospitalizations. Well I fall into that category, and I'm a smoker. So I'm not looking to be hospitalized. In Washington State, they're making a makeshift hospital on a soccer field because they're so low on space. I don't want to be hospitalized in even the greatest hospital, let alone a soccer field.

Lerxst1992

static111 said:

I’m not very understanding on the economics of ventilator availability. Are there even 30,000 ventilators available at this point?

Did we say that during world war 2? Too bad we dont have tanks nor planes? Was that our approach? No. We built them. Fast.

Go ahead and google US WW2 deaths vs what can happen if the covid crisis continues to be mismanaged and false logic continues.

The numbers should shock everyone. There is a chance this event is worse than a world war for Americans. 

But hey, let Cuomo figure it out on his own. Makes perfect sense. Thanks trump

Spiritual_Chaos

Here is an expert for you  @Merkin Baller



Things that Johan Giesecke said in a podcast I listened to, regarding it all:

- Giesecke does not think the virus has been spread to humans by consuming an animal with the virus, but just being around them (and housing several different spices that does not meat in nature in such conditions). The same with SARS. 

- Giesecke does not believe that the top of the Chinese government has ordered to keep quiet about the virus - but "in a dictatorship it is unpleasant bearing bad news to the one above you in the food chain, so people keep quiet"

- The big difference between this and influenza is that there isn't a vaccine, but the difference isn't that big because the influenza vaccine sort of sucks.

- Swedish scientists are working on a "broader" vaccine that will include more corona-strains that just this one. Discussions are happening about whether it would be better to release one only focused on corona-19 early or wait a tad and release one that is more future proof.

- Stopping it in South Korea like they did with all their testing is impressive - but the negative is that they are not getting any heard immunity at all. So they will be hit as badly next wave.

- What takes time with vaccines are two things: Make sure they are safe -- and Swedes will be extra careful about this because the swine flu vaccine caused narcolepsy in 400 of our children.  And then to mass produce it.

- Ebola vaccine took five years to make to be safe to use. The big difference though - Ebola doesn't affect the rich part of the world. Same with HIV - if it didn't start affecting the west there would not be drugs for it even today.

- No point in closing borders. There are research saying by closing borders you can stop an influenza epidemic by maybe a week, at most. If you are not an isolated island, like island. Trying to quarantine just the north of Italy was a an idiotic idea - "that leads to everyone taking their Fiat and driving south".

- What has been done successfully in China - the methods to stop it. Would never be accepted in a democratic nation. That controlling is only possible in a dictatorship.

- Closing schools has a marginal difference. One million kids below 10 years old in Sweden - who will take care of them? And teens will not follow the rules after 3 days "I'll go meet a friend instead".  It is not the school that infects - it's the people. And they will meet anyways. Closing schools = half of the work force in health care disappear. 

- Very little research about what helps and not - closing borders, closing schools. standing 6 or 8 feet away from people? The only thing we know for sure works is - wash your hands. 

- The most idiotic thing is the images from Asia where they drive around with tanker trucks spewing out disinfection on the streets. It's just to show people that politicians are doing something. Nothing else.

- We have two neighboring countries closing borders and schools (Denmark and Norway) - and the experts at their public health authorities have advice NOT to do it. But politicians has overruled it just to show that they are "doing things". 

- 50/50 chance Sweden will be put on full lockdown within 1-2 months.

- The rich part of the world must be ready to help the poorer nations - with testing and expertise. But right now, European nations don't even share equipment with each other. 

- Soap and water is better for viruses than alcogel. 

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mcgruff10 said:

DewieCox said:

mcgruff10 said:

First world problems I know but something just hit me hard: I won’t be able to my son on his birthday Thursday.  My ex is a nurse practitioner in the trenches with all this.  We agreed to keep him with her until this all this passes.  Haven’t seen him in almost two weeks and I am cool with that but missing his birthday, god damn I am crushed. 

Dude, fuck that!! Ain’t no first world problem. People are supposed to be able to be there for their kids. That sucks!! Don’t know the particular situation but people have been doing some neat stuff for kids that are missing the parties.... Doing drive by birthday parades and Facebook parties. Maybe you can think of a way to  make his birthday memorable for a better reason than this bullshit. 

Thanks for all the kind responses.  
A drive by would kill me, I wouldn’t be able to see him from afar like that without giving him a hug. I m teary eyed just thinking of it.  
I’ll probably just FaceTime him.  Ordered a cool ass legocity set for him, hopefully it gets there in time. Wanted to get him yanks tix but there is so much uncertainty this year.  

I'm conversing with my siblings as to whether or not it would be ok to go sit on the porch with my parents for an hour this weekend.

This is frigging brutal.

 

No.  You on grass.  Them on porch.

How big is the porch?

The more I think about it, it's probably irrelevant. My folks are skeptical of everything, now I'm thinking as soon as we get there they would insist on having us in, thinking it will be ok & I don't want to have that argument.

Ugh, I may just have to forego the visit.

Could be worse... my cousin in the UK was diagnosed with the virus on Monday. He's in his early 50s, hopefully he'll be ok, but his mom, my aunt, is terminal with cancer, and doesn't have much time left. She may go while he's isolated & recovering. I'm not fishing for sympathy, just trying to put my situation in perspective more than anything else.

I feel like there will only be more & more of these stories for all of us in the coming weeks, if not longer.

static111

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

I’m not very understanding on the economics of ventilator availability. Are there even 30,000 ventilators available at this point?

Did we say that during world war 2? Too bad we dont have tanks nor planes? Was that our approach? No. We built them. Fast.

Go ahead and google US WW2 deaths vs what can happen if the covid crisis continues to be mismanaged and false logic continues.

The numbers should shock everyone. There is a chance this event is worse than a world war for Americans. 

But hey, let Cuomo figure it out on his own. Makes perfect sense. Thanks trump

Man you overreact quite regularly. I was just asking what is the reality of getting 30000 ventilators. Nothing partisan. No blaming. Just what is the necessary logistics of getting 30,000 ventilators? If they aren’t available who can make them?  And no this isn’t WW2 

HughFreakingDillon

mcgruff10 said:

First world problems I know but something just hit me hard: I won’t be able to my son on his birthday Thursday.  My ex is a nurse practitioner in the trenches with all this.  We agreed to keep him with her until this all this passes.  Haven’t seen him in almost two weeks and I am cool with that but missing his birthday, god damn I am crushed. 

being with family is not a first world problem, mike. it would crush the best of us. two weeks away from my kids, birthday or not, would be enough to do me in. stay strong. and don't feel guilty about being sad about it. he's your son. 

HughFreakingDillon

i know the numbers say the elderly and compromised folks are the most at-risk group, but people are saying the most hospitalizations are made up of "young" people, and are surprised by this. why? doesn't this just tell us that group is the more careless/reckless of them all?

Meltdown99

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

I’m not very understanding on the economics of ventilator availability. Are there even 30,000 ventilators available at this point?

Did we say that during world war 2? Too bad we dont have tanks nor planes? Was that our approach? No. We built them. Fast.

Go ahead and google US WW2 deaths vs what can happen if the covid crisis continues to be mismanaged and false logic continues.

The numbers should shock everyone. There is a chance this event is worse than a world war for Americans. 

But hey, let Cuomo figure it out on his own. Makes perfect sense. Thanks trump

Man you overreact quite regularly. I was just asking what is the reality of getting 30000 ventilators. Nothing partisan. No blaming. Just what is the necessary logistics of getting 30,000 ventilators? If they aren’t available who can make them?  And no this isn’t WW2 

Manufacturers can re-tool and start making ventilators.  Supposedly that is what is happening in Ontario.  Gotta love media whore politicians who like to snap their fingers and think 30 000 ventilators will just appear.  Manufacturers are working on getting ventilators out the door, but will not happen overnight.  Oh, and of course many other countries also are need of ventilators...

F Me In The Brain

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mcgruff10 said:

DewieCox said:

mcgruff10 said:

First world problems I know but something just hit me hard: I won’t be able to my son on his birthday Thursday.  My ex is a nurse practitioner in the trenches with all this.  We agreed to keep him with her until this all this passes.  Haven’t seen him in almost two weeks and I am cool with that but missing his birthday, god damn I am crushed. 

Dude, fuck that!! Ain’t no first world problem. People are supposed to be able to be there for their kids. That sucks!! Don’t know the particular situation but people have been doing some neat stuff for kids that are missing the parties.... Doing drive by birthday parades and Facebook parties. Maybe you can think of a way to  make his birthday memorable for a better reason than this bullshit. 

Thanks for all the kind responses.  
A drive by would kill me, I wouldn’t be able to see him from afar like that without giving him a hug. I m teary eyed just thinking of it.  
I’ll probably just FaceTime him.  Ordered a cool ass legocity set for him, hopefully it gets there in time. Wanted to get him yanks tix but there is so much uncertainty this year.  

I'm conversing with my siblings as to whether or not it would be ok to go sit on the porch with my parents for an hour this weekend.

This is frigging brutal.

 

No.  You on grass.  Them on porch.

How big is the porch?

The more I think about it, it's probably irrelevant. My folks are skeptical of everything, now I'm thinking as soon as we get there they would insist on having us in, thinking it will be ok & I don't want to have that argument.

Ugh, I may just have to forego the visit.

Could be worse... my cousin in the UK was diagnosed with the virus on Monday. He's in his early 50s, hopefully he'll be ok, but his mom, my aunt, is terminal with cancer, and doesn't have much time left. She may go while he's isolated & recovering. I'm not fishing for sympathy, just trying to put my situation in perspective more than anything else.

I feel like there will only be more & more of these stories for all of us in the coming weeks, if not longer.

That sucks.  Good luck to them and I suspect you are right...every one of us is going to have a story like this.  Just hope they roll out over the next year and there is a healthcare system with the proper tools to provide people the best chance at speedy recoveries.

DewieCox

HughFreakingDillon said:

i know the numbers say the elderly and compromised folks are the most at-risk group, but people are saying the most hospitalizations are made up of "young" people, and are surprised by this. why? doesn't this just tell us that group is the more careless/reckless of them all?

I think it just says that the people of working age are simply more exposed. Plenty of people young and old still being reckless. 

HughFreakingDillon

DewieCox said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i know the numbers say the elderly and compromised folks are the most at-risk group, but people are saying the most hospitalizations are made up of "young" people, and are surprised by this. why? doesn't this just tell us that group is the more careless/reckless of them all?

I think it just says that the people of working age are simply more exposed. Plenty of people young and old still being reckless. 

yes, i'm sure there are. in my area, though, i have seen way more young people not taking this seriously than older people. however, more older people just might be doing it behind closed doors whereas the youngins are still driving around in groups. 

hopefully no older folks taking the coronavirus challenge and licking toilet seats. 

bbiggs

lindamarie73 said:

bbiggs said:

Merkin Baller said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that! 

It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.

Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”

let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.

for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...

...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.

further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants

im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?

So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm?  There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork?  I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse.  It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty.  If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going.  If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long. 

Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.

Are they better off dead after committing multiple murders? 

Lol because going to work is the same as murdering.  Quite extreme.  So protecting the lives of people from the virus is more important than protecting people’s lives and livelihoods from the economic impact? Check.
Let me guess you are financially set to get through this for the long haul?  or are a member of an at risk populations?  What about the at risk poor and working class that may not make it through an extended shut down? Or are the needs of them less important?

If you are really worried about murdering really take a step outside your immediate reaction and think what will happen if millions plunge into financial ruin. I’m sure they will be so busy breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for staying inside and going broke to do anything drastic.  

As ever before. I am all for extending the quarantine if there is a safety net for those in immediate or short term financial risk.  If not people are gonna have to do something. And it won’t be their fault if people die. It will be the fault of The credit card companies, landlords and banks that continue demanding money when none comes in. As well as our elected leaders for doing nothing.  If I have to go to work to keep myself and my family from financial ruin like millions of others and the option is there I will. And that won’t make me or anyone else a monster or a horrible person.  

Your points are valid, but what do you think is going to happen if everyone goes back to work and the virus keeps spreading?

Do you think the economy is going to bounce back with an incredibly contagious disease crippling our hospitals?

Do you think people are going to be going to bars and restaurants in this scenario?

I agree there needs to be a safety net for people most affected, but the only way to address this virus is to contain it.

I agree 💯 bit it seems like not many people are thinking about anything but the virus itself. Either option is horrible going back to work or indefinite quarantine. No one has a moral high ground here. This really illustrates our broken political system like nothing I’ve seen as well as the class divide. I’ve written letters to my senators.  Cruz and Cormyn. Fat lot of good those  idiots are gonna do.  No sector of the population is more important than the other. People in charge need to make some drastic measures. 

But I don't think anyone is talking about "indefinite quarantine".

Unless I'm mistaken, other countries have seen positive results after several weeks of aggressive lockdowns.

Going back to work may solve some financial problems for a lot of people in the short term, but what good will that be if the virus rages unchecked forcing companies to close (again) and killing hundreds of thousands if not millions?

If it doesn't get contained more sooner than later, you can kiss any hope of a healthy economy goodbye for years.

The longer we wait to aggressively approach this, the worse it will get in all aspects, including the economic toll.

I have little faith that our government can come up with a plan to address all these concerns.  We (my family) can make it 2-3 months here. But if as they say a vaccine may not be ready for 18 months what then.  If you wait 2-3 months for the number Of infected to go down and open everything for business isn’t it likely that the number of infected will explode again?  And then you repeat the process?  

You raise a lot of good points and it has me thinking differently. I still see a huge need to address the financial concerns of everyone that is out of work.

I'm certainly nowhere near panic mode yet. I just have a problem with the current shortsighted, take it day by day view. There are people with severe economic needs, and everyday that that side of the crisis is not addressed things get a little bit worse, and it gets closer to being a bigger problem for more and more people on the lower end of the wealthiest country on earth.

The senate bill that is “at the two yard line” according to chuck, will provide full income for four months for those out of work.  I don’t know the details of how that is calculate nor how it deals with tipped workers, but that will certainly be a huge boost.  It will also provide incentives for their previous employers to continue providing benefits.  If this works, it will stabilize th economy through the summer.

That would be great....but how would that gel with President Dope's plan to reopen by Rebirthday?

I would be stunned if it was full income but this would be good backing by the govt

As I understand it, it’s up to the governors whether or not to allow their respective states to go back to work, in the end Trump has no say. (If I’m mistaken, someone please correct me)

If accurate, this will work in our favor in IL with Pritzker calling the shots. 

How so??  that Fat Ass Billionaire sounds even sillier then the Major of Shitcago when they do their daily briefing...

It will work in our favor because Pritzker will not send people back into the streets prematurely if there are thousands being infected and dying.  

tempo_n_groove

I know that Foxymop and ryanbp999 both have the virus.  You might recognize the names from the boards.

hedonist

mcgruff10 said:

First St. Patrick’s Day now this: 

We need more details about this ballsy event. 

F Me In The Brain

tempo_n_groove said:

I know that Foxymop and ryanbp999 both have the virus.  You might recognize the names from the boards.

Good luck to them!

hedonist

tempo_n_groove said:

I know that Foxymop and ryanbp999 both have the virus.  You might recognize the names from the boards.

Oh man. Good thoughts for them both. 

Spunkie

hedonist said:

mcgruff10 said:

First St. Patrick’s Day now this: 

We need more details about this ballsy event. 

Ah... nuts!

I'm sorry to hear about foxy and Ryan.