It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
That's such a douche/asshole response. We are the most densely populated state in the nation; the most crowded part of nj is one big suburb of nyc so proximity is a huge factor on why we got hit so hard. I shutter to think what the numbers would look like if we hadn't done anything.
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
That's such a douche response. We are the most densely populated state in the nation; the most crowded part of nj is one big suburb of nyc so proximity is a huge factor on why we got hit so hard. I shutter to think what the numbers would look like if we hadn't done anything.
And the swedish PHA shutter (shudder?) at the thought of what would happen to public health if schools are closed down when not needed, what would happen to public health with depression levels of unemployment, what would happen to women and children's health under lengthy periods of isolation with POS men, what would happen when people walk around in masks made out of Pearl Jam tshirt that has no scientific basis VS "STAY HOME IF FEELING SICK AND DO NOT CROWD TOGETHER".
It's all about making the hospitals cope, isolating people of risk - and weighing this against everything else causing negative effect to public health.
In the end, as Giesecke says - most countries will have similar levels of sick/dead. Even with you closing your borders or not.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
Yes, Sweden has put up stricter regulation when the PHA feel it is needed, or when what they has attempted has not worked as good as hoped.
From your article:
Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, has described the country’s coronavirus strategy as an attempt to ensure “a slow spread of infection and that the health services are not overwhelmed”, arguing that it is important for a part of the population to acquire immunity.
Tegnell has denied trying to build rapid “herd immunity” to the virus, a strategy originally adopted by the UK and the Netherlands before projected soaring death numbers prompted those countries to change course, but he has conceded that such a policy is “not contradictory” to Sweden’s objectives.
“It is important to have a policy that can be sustained over a longer period, meaning staying home if you are sick,” he said recently. “Locking people up at home won’t work in the longer term. Sooner or later people are going to go out anyway.”
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
I take this as it doesn't differ all that much from Sweden with all these amazing precautions that sweden are loons for not implementing.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I agree that a "stay home" by itself won;t work longterm. But, in order to prepare, a stay home order is very effective and allows the medical community to be ready.
In 2 years time the information we have from this, how different places dealt with it and their results will be very interesting and I HOPE we learn from it!
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
JFC...What the fuck is wrong with you?
? I asked a question ? . But let me guess the answer - Sweden doesn't look that much different. As Gisecke himself has said:
And the difference between Sweden and the rest of the world is marginal.
Have you considered adding more political parties? Maybe that would help....
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
I take this as it doesn't differ all that much from Sweden with all these amazing precautions that sweden are loons for not implementing.
I would expect a compassionate socialist to conduct themselves with more tact when the conversation touches on the actual horrors of this pandemic. Or at least prioritize it over trying to win internet arguments.
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I agree that a "stay home" by itself won;t work longterm. But, in order to prepare, a stay home order is very effective and allows the medical community to be ready.
In 2 years time the information we have from this, how different places dealt with it and their results will be very interesting and I HOPE we learn from it!
And Sweden made the decision that asking people to stay home was enough to make the hospitals cope, right or wrong. We'll see.
And yes, will be very interesting - and even more: will the world make itself ready for the next go of a virus like this, or will we all forget and keep zero respirators around in the name of profit etc.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen announces that Denmark will now open schools for the grades zero to five from 15 April. Preschools are also opened.
- It is based on the authorities' assessment. It is a controlled opening. But everyone should continue to keep their distance and avoid meeting too many people, says the prime minister at a press conference.
At the same time, banning large crowds of people has been extended until last August and cinemas, cafes and other similar gathering places will remain closed.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
Seriously?? Maybe take a break from the internet for awhile.
I've only seen this picture which look to frightening to press play on:
Is this about the guy in France who said we should test our vaccins in Africa, because they "have nothing to lose" because they don't have respirators etc?
Yes. That is sick. How big was the backlash in France?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
It's not even worth responding. How many lives could have been saved if Sweden actually had the same precautions as the rest of Europe?
How's it going with saving lives in New Jersey with all those scientifically superproven precautions you have that Sweden's expertise are so idiotic to believe are pointless or at present unwise when weighing them against the negative effect they would have on public health?
This is borderline psychotic.
Agreed.
I’ll call a spade a spade. It’s fucked.
this was my first thought as well.
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Prepare for the mother of all s**t storms if Sweden pulls this off
If Sweden, which has not locked down its economy and society, emerges with a death toll from COVID-19 that is somewhere in the middle of the pack of European countries, there is going to be a lot of recrimination, particularly against those who have tried to silence any discussion about the true extent of the threat that COVID-19 actually poses
In a word: Sweden. What happens if they pull this off? What happens if it turns out that we could have coped with COVID-19 without collapsing entire sectors of the economy putting millions on the dole, and imposing some of the most draconian restrictions on civil liberties in living memory?
Sweden has not closed the bars. Shopping malls are open. Schools and companies are open too. There are some restrictions such as on gatherings of over 50 people. But, in comparison with most European countries, life in Sweden is relatively normal.
Right now, Sweden's death rate from coronavirus is 33 per million of the population. In France it is 83. In Italy it is 230. In Britain it is 43. In the Netherlands it is 78.
/.../
What is interesting though, is that precisely because it is Sweden, the usual suspects in our politics who benefit from disillusionment with the establishment may find it hard to profit from this. The Swedish government is led by Stefan Loeven, a Social Democrat.
Sweden is practically a role model for mainstream, left of centre politics. If you're a European populist, it's going to be more than a little incongruous to start singing the praises of Sweden, of all countries.
Similarly in America. Donald Trump has, albeit reluctantly, broadly followed the lockdown policies we see across most of Europe. Unless he very quickly does a 180 degree turn (and don't rule that out) how can he profit from his usual disdain for the way things are done by the establishment?
That said, if this particular "Swedish model" wins the day, someone is going to get it in the neck. The question is, who?
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We are the most densely populated state in the nation; the most crowded part of nj is one big suburb of nyc so proximity is a huge factor on why we got hit so hard. I shutter to think what the numbers would look like if we hadn't done anything.
It's all about making the hospitals cope, isolating people of risk - and weighing this against everything else causing negative effect to public health.
In the end, as Giesecke says - most countries will have similar levels of sick/dead. Even with you closing your borders or not.
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Yes, Sweden has put up stricter regulation when the PHA feel it is needed, or when what they has attempted has not worked as good as hoped.
From your article:
Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, has described the country’s coronavirus strategy as an attempt to ensure “a slow spread of infection and that the health services are not overwhelmed”, arguing that it is important for a part of the population to acquire immunity.
Tegnell has denied trying to build rapid “herd immunity” to the virus, a strategy originally adopted by the UK and the Netherlands before projected soaring death numbers prompted those countries to change course, but he has conceded that such a policy is “not contradictory” to Sweden’s objectives.
“It is important to have a policy that can be sustained over a longer period, meaning staying home if you are sick,” he said recently. “Locking people up at home won’t work in the longer term. Sooner or later people are going to go out anyway.”
In 2 years time the information we have from this, how different places dealt with it and their results will be very interesting and I HOPE we learn from it!
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
And yes, will be very interesting - and even more: will the world make itself ready for the next go of a virus like this, or will we all forget and keep zero respirators around in the name of profit etc.
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Is this about the guy in France who said we should test our vaccins in Africa, because they "have nothing to lose" because they don't have respirators etc?
Yes. That is sick. How big was the backlash in France?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Prepare for the mother of all s**t storms if Sweden pulls this off
If Sweden, which has not locked down its economy and society, emerges with a death toll from COVID-19 that is somewhere in the middle of the pack of European countries, there is going to be a lot of recrimination, particularly against those who have tried to silence any discussion about the true extent of the threat that COVID-19 actually poses
In a word: Sweden. What happens if they pull this off? What happens if it turns out that we could have coped with COVID-19 without collapsing entire sectors of the economy putting millions on the dole, and imposing some of the most draconian restrictions on civil liberties in living memory?
Sweden has not closed the bars. Shopping malls are open. Schools and companies are open too. There are some restrictions such as on gatherings of over 50 people. But, in comparison with most European countries, life in Sweden is relatively normal.
Right now, Sweden's death rate from coronavirus is 33 per million of the population. In France it is 83. In Italy it is 230. In Britain it is 43. In the Netherlands it is 78.
/.../
What is interesting though, is that precisely because it is Sweden, the usual suspects in our politics who benefit from disillusionment with the establishment may find it hard to profit from this. The Swedish government is led by Stefan Loeven, a Social Democrat.
Sweden is practically a role model for mainstream, left of centre politics. If you're a European populist, it's going to be more than a little incongruous to start singing the praises of Sweden, of all countries.
Similarly in America. Donald Trump has, albeit reluctantly, broadly followed the lockdown policies we see across most of Europe. Unless he very quickly does a 180 degree turn (and don't rule that out) how can he profit from his usual disdain for the way things are done by the establishment?
That said, if this particular "Swedish model" wins the day, someone is going to get it in the neck. The question is, who?
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/7649/prepare_for_the_mother_of_all_s_t_storms_if_sweden_pulls_this_off
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