... if Ted Nugent told me to fight climate change. I would not stop fighting climate change.
It still doesn't make sense. Russia would be interested in splitting the party, and second, we know they were actively trying to support the Sanders campaign. This doesn't pass the logic test.
It's pretty clear from perusing headlines where Bernie supporters stand. They're drinking the same kool-aid as the Trump supporters.
"The media is biased against our candidate" When in reality the media pushed trump, and is pushing the bernie horserace because it brings clicks and revenue.
See also: "The establishment / deepstate is undermining our candidate"
Bernie & Trump are cut from the same cloth. See also : their refusal to release tax/medical records.
If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that!
... if Ted Nugent told me to fight climate change. I would not stop fighting climate change.
Here's the litmus test imho:
If for some reason Bernie were to actually win the nomination, most Biden supporters would support Bernie. Because while Bernie is clearly the lesser Democratic candidate, he is still better than Trump.
Bernie supporters have been indoctrined to support Bernie or no one at all. Who does that benefit?
bing bing bing... Russia. That's why the angle doesn't make sense.
My boss has come down with the bug. Fever over the weekend, now coughing and experiencing shortness of breathe. We’ve been on telework status since last week so there’s that.
MOSCOW — Judging by the official numbers, Russia can boast of having one of the most effective coronavirus responses in the world, with 367 confirmed cases as of Sunday. According to the data, none of them have been fatal.
That isn't for lack of testing. Russian government officials say they have run over 140,000 tests. By comparison, the U.S. has reported over 25,000 positive results from a similar number of tests, according to tracking by Johns Hopkins University.
But while Russian officials attribute the low numbers to aggressive border controls and closings, some experts caution that the actual infection rates may be much higher, with the government of President Vladimir Putin intent on maintaining an image of calm authority, regardless of what may actually be happening on the ground.
At a Cabinet meeting Tuesday, Putin declared the situation to be "generally under control."
"Thanks to prompt measures taken proactively ... in the first weeks of the epidemic, we managed to contain the massive — I would like to underscore — massive penetration and spread of the infection in Russia," Putin said.
The early measures were drastic.
After reports of outbreaks of the coronavirus in China emerged in January, Russia swiftly closed its large land border and, in February, banned entry of all Chinese citizens. More recent efforts focused on quarantining foreigners entering from coronavirus hot spots.
But Ivan Konovalov, a spokesman for the Doctors' Alliance, a professional organization loosely aligned with the Russian opposition that has gained attention by highlighting problems in the health system, says the measures may not have effectively blocked the disease.
Instead, authorities are most likely using pneumonia as a cover for coronavirus cases, he said.
"According to a few accounts, a portion of the coronavirus cases are being masked as so-called community-transmitted pneumonia," he told NBC News. "Patients are diagnosed with 'pneumonia' without being tested for coronavirus, which could have caused it."
Some experts have questioned the competence of Russia's coronavirus tests — currently provided by a single lab in Siberia. An investigation by an online medical science publication, PCR News, reported that the official numbers may be low because the test may not be detecting mild cases.
"It is a matter of sensitivity," PCR News Editor-in-Chief Aleksey Torgashev, one of the authors of the report, said in an interview. "The guaranteed lower limit of the test is 100,000 plasmids per milliliter. The sensitivity of other modern tests is two orders of magnitude higher."
... if Ted Nugent told me to fight climate change. I would not stop fighting climate change.
Here's the litmus test imho:
If for some reason Bernie were to actually win the nomination, most Biden supporters would support Bernie. Because while Bernie is clearly the lesser Democratic candidate, he is still better than Trump.
Bernie supporters have been indoctrined to support Bernie or no one at all. Who does that benefit?
I don't see how that is financially possible. 1 month of covering salaries has got to be eat up the budget for the entire year. Its all nice to hear and sounds great, but where does that money come from? DO they pay these salaries for a month then government shuts down for the rest of the year? I just don't see how that is possible.
It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't spend 55% of your entire budget on war.
True, but what is the income tax in Denmark?
I just googled it, average over the last 20 years was 65%. It’s also amazing what you can afford when you tax your citizens an astonishing 65%.
That didn’t seem right, but saw it posted in several sites. and if they pay 75% of their salary, then tax them 65%, they really are paying less than half.
If we were to look at a larger blue state like the one I live in, that tend to provide services to its residents, when you add up all taxes, income fedl state local, fica, property and sales taxes, excise taxes and on... the effective rate is probably close to 50%.
now let’s add on the cost of college and healthcare, you are probably right at that European rate of 65%
but Euros don’t have to worry about bankruptcy issues to the extent we do in the states caused by healthcare or excessive college costs. Plus they don’t have slow as crap trains and pot holed roads because their 65% covers infrastructure modernization.
Not to start a debate on different countries and all that comes with that on this board. And I do not know how accurate this forbes infographic is, but here are at least some numbers. I do not know where the 65% thing comes from.
..
The commenters were citing percentage of personal income. Your graphic is percent of GDP.
Why is Greta even being brought up in this thread?
Apparently she is an expert on coronavirus now.
Eh, to be fair, her post just says that she has symptoms and so she’s self-isolating. I know it’s completely unimportant to know that, but she’s not the only celebrity posting about the virus.
My question from that post is how was she not cast as the Grady Sisters in Doctor Sleep? The resemblance is uncanny. Missed opportunity. She could’ve promoted her climate strike in conjunction with promoting the movie.
If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that!
It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.
Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”
let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.
for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...
...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.
further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants
im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?
I don't see how that is financially possible. 1 month of covering salaries has got to be eat up the budget for the entire year. Its all nice to hear and sounds great, but where does that money come from? DO they pay these salaries for a month then government shuts down for the rest of the year? I just don't see how that is possible.
It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't spend 55% of your entire budget on war.
True, but what is the income tax in Denmark?
I just googled it, average over the last 20 years was 65%. It’s also amazing what you can afford when you tax your citizens an astonishing 65%.
That didn’t seem right, but saw it posted in several sites. and if they pay 75% of their salary, then tax them 65%, they really are paying less than half.
If we were to look at a larger blue state like the one I live in, that tend to provide services to its residents, when you add up all taxes, income fedl state local, fica, property and sales taxes, excise taxes and on... the effective rate is probably close to 50%.
now let’s add on the cost of college and healthcare, you are probably right at that European rate of 65%
but Euros don’t have to worry about bankruptcy issues to the extent we do in the states caused by healthcare or excessive college costs. Plus they don’t have slow as crap trains and pot holed roads because their 65% covers infrastructure modernization.
Not to start a debate on different countries and all that comes with that on this board. And I do not know how accurate this forbes infographic is, but here are at least some numbers. I do not know where the 65% thing comes from.
..
The commenters were citing percentage of personal income. Your graphic is percent of GDP.
Okey, then some rankings I've seen on personal income says between 55-60.
But a breakdown in Swedish seems to show you pay roughly: 8 percent + 24 (municipal tax)
Then between 46.500-531.000 DKK an additional + 12,14 %
So, for most people: 8+24+12,14 = 42,14 percent.
And the amount above 531.000 DKK an additional 15 percent.
But who knows. Only the danes.
Yes, more taxes are paid. And yes the danish government is helping out to try to stop an economic crisis.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
When it was being used to push the right’s agenda, it was immediately dismissed. This should be just as swiftly dismissed.
I don't know what you are talking about...
What has this to do with any political agenda?
And again, why should what she says here be "swiftly dismissed" ? Why?
Several pages back it was discussed that the virus had already made the rounds through various communities. This notion was met with both eye rolls from the left and as an opportunity to downplay the effects of the virus by the right.
When it was being used to push the right’s agenda, it was immediately dismissed. This should be just as swiftly dismissed.
I don't know what you are talking about...
What has this to do with any political agenda?
And again, why should what she says here be "swiftly dismissed" ? Why?
Several pages back it was discussed that the virus had already made the rounds through various communities. This notion was met with both eye rolls from the left and as an opportunity to downplay the effects of the virus by the right.
What has that to do with Greta as an individual, saying she and her dad has been down and around in Europe where the virus had spread, and both of them has gotten symptoms that makes her think that "it’s extremely likely that I’ve had it, given the combined symptoms and circumstances."
... like in any way?
Should also be noted also, that she took the time and used her platform to write this to her 10 million followers to help out:
THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE: I almost didn’t feel ill. My last cold was much worse than this! Had it not been for someone else having the virus simultainously I might not even have suspected anything. Then I would just have thought I was feeling unusually tired with a bit of a cough.And this it what makes it so much more dangerous. Many (especially young people) might not notice any symptoms at all, or very mild symptoms. Then they don’t know they have the virus and can pass it on to people in risk groups.We who don’t belong to a risk group have an enormous responsibility, our actions can be the difference between life and death for many others. Please keep that in mind, follow the advice from experts and your local authorities and #StayAtHome to slow the spread of the virus. And remember to always take care of each other and help those in need.
But let's waste a post on the Pearl Jam message board pointing out that you have to be skeptical of her. Posting that is very important. For some people. For some reason.
And what agenda is there here to swiftly dismiss?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
My boss has come down with the bug. Fever over the weekend, now coughing and experiencing shortness of breathe. We’ve been on telework status since last week so there’s that.
If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that!
It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.
Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”
let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.
for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...
...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.
further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants
im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?
So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm? There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork? I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse. It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty. If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going. If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long.
Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.
Why is Greta even being brought up in this thread?
Apparently she is an expert on coronavirus now.
Says who?
And why are you coming off as offended?
Offended? Care to explain why you interpreted my comment as me being offended? I’m not in control of your thoughts only my own.
You felt the need to take the time to write out: "Apparently she is an expert on coronavirus now." because of her saying she thought she had gotten corona, and explained why she sthought so.
The words chosen, and the post chosen to submit doesn't come us as very not-offended to me. And I'm pretty damn good at getting subtext.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that!
It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.
Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”
let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.
for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...
...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.
further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants
im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?
So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm? There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork? I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse. It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty. If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going. If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long.
Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.
No one including this administration the bill was shot down by Dems exactly for the reasons you speak of , the $$$never filters down to the poor , in sorry but I’d I had to commute into Manhattan by train and then have to get on subway full of infected people I’d rather stay at home..would you feel comfortable walking into a restaurant full of people at this moment..
"At first, we didn't understand how this many cases could have happened," Christensen, who had been briefed by experts working on Iceland's response to the pandemic, said. But a clearer picture emerged when officials worked out what was going on in some of Ischgl's tightly packed bars and clubs.
"We realized that they exchanged saliva because they were playing beer pong," using their mouths, he said, although he did not single out any specific bars where the game took place. The game involved spitting ping pong balls out of their mouths into beer glasses, and those balls were then reused by other people.
Lerfeldt reported that Kitzloch bartenders, including the 36-year-old who later tested positive for coronavirus, blew on a brass whistle to get people to move out of their way as they took shots to customers. Several customers also blew the whistle for fun, Lerfeldt said. "I can see why people would want to whistle it -- and nobody knew he was sick," Lerfeldt said.
Monika Redlberger-Fritz, head of the influenza department at the Medical University of Vienna, told CNN that the way the virus spread in Ischgl means there was likely at least one person who infected a large number of other people.
"That means that there was at least one patient who had a very high viral load, and while most people will infect two to three others on average, these people can transmit the disease to 40, 50, or 80 people." Redlberger-Fritz said that this may have cut the lead time for authorities to react by several days.
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bernie or bust
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biden or bust
It's pretty clear from perusing headlines where Bernie supporters stand. They're drinking the same kool-aid as the Trump supporters.
"The media is biased against our candidate"
When in reality the media pushed trump, and is pushing the bernie horserace because it brings clicks and revenue.
See also: "The establishment / deepstate is undermining our candidate"
Bernie & Trump are cut from the same cloth. See also : their refusal to release tax/medical records.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-russia-s-low-infection-numbers-viewed-skeptically-n1166101
Coronavirus: Russia's low infection numbers viewed skeptically
MOSCOW — Judging by the official numbers, Russia can boast of having one of the most effective coronavirus responses in the world, with 367 confirmed cases as of Sunday. According to the data, none of them have been fatal.
That isn't for lack of testing. Russian government officials say they have run over 140,000 tests. By comparison, the U.S. has reported over 25,000 positive results from a similar number of tests, according to tracking by Johns Hopkins University.
But while Russian officials attribute the low numbers to aggressive border controls and closings, some experts caution that the actual infection rates may be much higher, with the government of President Vladimir Putin intent on maintaining an image of calm authority, regardless of what may actually be happening on the ground.
At a Cabinet meeting Tuesday, Putin declared the situation to be "generally under control."
"Thanks to prompt measures taken proactively ... in the first weeks of the epidemic, we managed to contain the massive — I would like to underscore — massive penetration and spread of the infection in Russia," Putin said.
The early measures were drastic.
After reports of outbreaks of the coronavirus in China emerged in January, Russia swiftly closed its large land border and, in February, banned entry of all Chinese citizens. More recent efforts focused on quarantining foreigners entering from coronavirus hot spots.
But Ivan Konovalov, a spokesman for the Doctors' Alliance, a professional organization loosely aligned with the Russian opposition that has gained attention by highlighting problems in the health system, says the measures may not have effectively blocked the disease.
Instead, authorities are most likely using pneumonia as a cover for coronavirus cases, he said.
"According to a few accounts, a portion of the coronavirus cases are being masked as so-called community-transmitted pneumonia," he told NBC News. "Patients are diagnosed with 'pneumonia' without being tested for coronavirus, which could have caused it."
Some experts have questioned the competence of Russia's coronavirus tests — currently provided by a single lab in Siberia. An investigation by an online medical science publication, PCR News, reported that the official numbers may be low because the test may not be detecting mild cases.
"It is a matter of sensitivity," PCR News Editor-in-Chief Aleksey Torgashev, one of the authors of the report, said in an interview. "The guaranteed lower limit of the test is 100,000 plasmids per milliliter. The sensitivity of other modern tests is two orders of magnitude higher."
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Why is Greta even being brought up in this thread?
What has this to do with any political agenda?
And again, why should what she says here be "swiftly dismissed" ? Why?
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”
let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.
for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...
...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.
further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants
im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?
But a breakdown in Swedish seems to show you pay roughly: 8 percent + 24 (municipal tax)
Then between 46.500-531.000 DKK an additional + 12,14 %
So, for most people: 8+24+12,14 = 42,14 percent.
And the amount above 531.000 DKK an additional 15 percent.
But who knows. Only the danes.
Yes, more taxes are paid. And yes the danish government is helping out to try to stop an economic crisis.
And why are you coming off as offended?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
... like in any way?
Should also be noted also, that she took the time and used her platform to write this to her 10 million followers to help out:
THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE: I almost didn’t feel ill. My last cold was much worse than this! Had it not been for someone else having the virus simultainously I might not even have suspected anything. Then I would just have thought I was feeling unusually tired with a bit of a cough.And this it what makes it so much more dangerous. Many (especially young people) might not notice any symptoms at all, or very mild symptoms. Then they don’t know they have the virus and can pass it on to people in risk groups.We who don’t belong to a risk group have an enormous responsibility, our actions can be the difference between life and death for many others.
Please keep that in mind, follow the advice from experts and your local authorities and #StayAtHome to slow the spread of the virus. And remember to always take care of each other and help those in need.
But let's waste a post on the Pearl Jam message board pointing out that you have to be skeptical of her. Posting that is very important. For some people. For some reason.
And what agenda is there here to swiftly dismiss?
Speaking of which, I love pouring whiskey into beer pong cups when no one is looking. Makes it way more fun to watch.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
The words chosen, and the post chosen to submit doesn't come us as very not-offended to me. And I'm pretty damn good at getting subtext.
That would be painful.
https://www.football-espana.net/2020/03/22/atalanta-v-valencia-identified-as-main-source-of-coronavirus-spread-in-italy
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..