The coronavirus

bbiggs

PJ_Soul said:

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Well, that’s at least somewhat comforting, although as someone at risk to contract the virus who also has an underlying health condition (asthma) ...... it’s not looking so great for me  

I do agree that adds some level of comfort; however, I don’t know what baselines they are using for high blood pressure and heart disease. Guidelines say 120/80 is healthy blood pressure. So is someone who averages 130/80 in their “high” category? Is someone in the “pre-hypertension” category considered “high” in their numbers?  Some more detailed data would be helpful, but at face value, this is encouraging.  That said, having parents that are in their 60’s with underlying health issues continues to concern me. I know we’re all in this together and that is a concern for many of us. 

Apparently obese people and those with diabetes are way more at risk too. So all these things together... like, 50% of America is at risk.

Agreed.  Maybe this will be a wake up call to the obesity epidemic America has. Doubt it though. 

oftenreading

Gern Blansten said:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/488321-japanese-flu-drug-reportedly-shows-promise?fbclid=IwAR1kEclGyzn0TivJlh6QoKXkwipsSlF87luTfSPKmghBZe_RKlcgJ-TD5Co&fbclid=IwAR1DXx1q0RPGdDg964cpFx9mlzrda8cvrcK1-SUCibMj6BKydE6GaESlqmQ

Here we go....

Developed by “a subsidiary of FujiFilm” - good thing they are diversifying. Best not to rely on print film for your fortune any more. 

mickeyrat

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

speaking of masks......

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-and-surgical-masks-face-masks

I'm shocked that they tell the public not to wear them!

They provide little value unless worn properly and all other hygiene followed.  But, if they actually didn't provide value at all...ask yourself...why are they worried about having them for medical professionals.

The general public just won't follow all the rules to make them useful for the most part.

because the other things medical professionals cone in contact with. and for them its dual purpose. protects both staff and patient from each other.....

the other thing about whats recommended in that link is to discourage the general public from using them means there is more in the supply chain for those who really should be wearing them.

maybe a bandana is just as effective for the general public?

mickeyrat

Meltdown99 said:

Detroit 3 closing all facilities...

so is Honda near me.

mickeyrat

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays.  There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people.  Lots of respiratory stuff.  I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media.  Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point.  They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

I 100% agree with this.  Literally everyone I know at work had these huge headaches and just not feeling well.  Tons of sinus infections.  We also had two healthy people in their 40s die of flu like symptoms.  

Well that is alarming and atypical I would say.  Sorry to hear that. 

I am gonna guess it happened about two months ago.

oh I was laid the fuck out first of January. lower respiratory. NP at a physical after said nasty shit going around they werent sure what or where it came from.

RunIntoTheRain

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Anthony Fauci, M.D. talks about this in this interview. Skip to 12 mins in for that part

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXY76TKNy2Y

myoung321

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

How is that comforting?

As many as 82 million Americans with employer-based coverage have a pre-existing condition, ranging from life-threatening illnesses like cancer to chronic conditions like diabetes, asthma, or heart disease.

How many without employer-based coverage????? 

mickeyrat

myoung321 said:

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

How is that comforting?

As many as 82 million Americans with employer-based coverage have a pre-existing condition, ranging from life-threatening illnesses like cancer to chronic conditions like diabetes, asthma, or heart disease.

How many without employer-based coverage????? 

well its saying  that extra caution should be exercised  by those mor vulnerable due to these underlying conditions as well as those in contact with them.

lmckenney24

mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays.  There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people.  Lots of respiratory stuff.  I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media.  Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point.  They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

I 100% agree with this.  Literally everyone I know at work had these huge headaches and just not feeling well.  Tons of sinus infections.  We also had two healthy people in their 40s die of flu like symptoms.  

Well that is alarming and atypical I would say.  Sorry to hear that. 

I am gonna guess it happened about two months ago.

oh I was laid the fuck out first of January. lower respiratory. NP at a physical after said nasty shit going around they werent sure what or where it came from.

I think there is some truth to this. First of February, my wife and I felt like we got hit by a train. I had 103 for 2 days, she had no fever. Both tested negative for flu.

They treated me for flu and inhaler, due to severe cough. No underlying health issues, slightly over weight. Three people at my primary care have since tested positive (hopefully not from me).

oftenreading

myoung321 said:

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

How is that comforting?

As many as 82 million Americans with employer-based coverage have a pre-existing condition, ranging from life-threatening illnesses like cancer to chronic conditions like diabetes, asthma, or heart disease.

How many without employer-based coverage????? 

It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically.

DewieCox

^^^I definitely think it’s gone around  over the last couple months. Seems like everybody knows a couple people that got their asses kicked for a week or 2. It’s harder to really latch onto as an idea at this point because now every conservative gomer  dipshit on Facebook claims to have had it. 

Lerxst1992

Sometimes I read a right of center forum. Wanted to see if any AMT folks agree?



"It certainly seems like the Constitution is not currently in effect; with the freedom to assemble and the liberty to move about savagely curtailed, and our fundamental rights eroding to nil in the name of public safety. Hardly anyone seems to care either. Fear has swept the country, and the will of the people to resist the hamfist of state has crumpled.

So what threshold did we really cross? How many people need to be in danger before we just quit? Who gets to decide when enough is enough? The media? The trending hashtags? At what point does the constitution no longer impede our collective demands for reactionary government? Do we get a line in the sand?

Going forward, will every flu season inspire quarantines? Will every scary news story demand compliance to the powers that be? Do we just mark the constitution up with a big asterisk that says "Only when things are OK.", or do we just shred the thing altogether?

It's disheartening to see fear as the chief motivating factor for modern society at this point. We are totally vulnerable to the wills of any power capable of convincing the masses that they are in grave danger. We've supplanted self determination and personal responsibility with compliance to a shared narrative framework.

We've come full circle from the age of enlightenment to the dark ages. All it took was the threat of plague. And that's the real cost here.

Lives will be lost, grief will be suffered. But it's the liberty we choose to give away that stains our generation."

---Right Wing Libertarian,  17 March 2020 

bbiggs

Just listened to most of the Benaroya show. Have to say...very soothing.  

“No matter how cold the winter, there's a springtime ahead...”

Lerxst1992

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Well, that’s at least somewhat comforting, although as someone at risk to contract the virus who also has an underlying health condition (asthma) ...... it’s not looking so great for me  

I do agree that adds some level of comfort; however, I don’t know what baselines they are using for high blood pressure and heart disease. Guidelines say 120/80 is healthy blood pressure. So is someone who averages 130/80 in their “high” category? Is someone in the “pre-hypertension” category considered “high” in their numbers?  Some more detailed data would be helpful, but at face value, this is encouraging.  That said, having parents that are in their 60’s with underlying health issues continues to concern me. I know we’re all in this together and that is a concern for many of us. 

Can we audit the data? Just accept it on face value?

Sounds alot like Italy's version of "under tremendous control" to me.

Lerxst1992

bbiggs said:

Just listened to most of the Benaroya show. Have to say...very soothing.  

“No matter how cold the winter, there's a springtime ahead...”

And another winter. Sorry. Tough time not to say it.

Wilco's Theologians also sounding incredible at the moment.

Lerxst1992

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.mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

MayDay10 said:

Spoke to a couple doctor friends today including an emergency room doctor

They think this thing has been making its rounds since the holidays.  There were a ton of people travelling all over and quite a few sick people.  Lots of respiratory stuff.  I know in february, at one point, half my office was out sick.

A lot of the hysteria comes from testing and the media.  Yes, action and distancing is wise at this point.  They just think a lot of us have actually had it already and a lot of the anxiety is unwarranted.

I 100% agree with this.  Literally everyone I know at work had these huge headaches and just not feeling well.  Tons of sinus infections.  We also had two healthy people in their 40s die of flu like symptoms.  

Well that is alarming and atypical I would say.  Sorry to hear that. 

I am gonna guess it happened about two months ago.

Are these doctor friends ID specialists? You can be a doctor and not be very swift when it come to projecting impact novel IDs on a population. Basic ID knowledge would tell us thousands walking around asymptomatic in February is bad news, not good.

10 times deadlier than the flu, best case scenario per Trumps top ID doctor.

Possibly 1.5 million deaths per TRUMP'S CDC.

But instead of reading from trump's own specialists, let's just pull a trump and blame the media.

mace1229

Our next door neighbor, who is a nurse, told us today she is in self quarantine today pending test results due to an issue incident at work. 

Sucks for all these healthcare workers.

oftenreading

Lerxst1992 said:

Sometimes I read a right of center forum. Wanted to see if any AMT folks agree?



"It certainly seems like the Constitution is not currently in effect; with the freedom to assemble and the liberty to move about savagely curtailed, and our fundamental rights eroding to nil in the name of public safety. Hardly anyone seems to care either. Fear has swept the country, and the will of the people to resist the hamfist of state has crumpled.

So what threshold did we really cross? How many people need to be in danger before we just quit? Who gets to decide when enough is enough? The media? The trending hashtags? At what point does the constitution no longer impede our collective demands for reactionary government? Do we get a line in the sand?

Going forward, will every flu season inspire quarantines? Will every scary news story demand compliance to the powers that be? Do we just mark the constitution up with a big asterisk that says "Only when things are OK.", or do we just shred the thing altogether?

It's disheartening to see fear as the chief motivating factor for modern society at this point. We are totally vulnerable to the wills of any power capable of convincing the masses that they are in grave danger. We've supplanted self determination and personal responsibility with compliance to a shared narrative framework.

We've come full circle from the age of enlightenment to the dark ages. All it took was the threat of plague. And that's the real cost here.

Lives will be lost, grief will be suffered. But it's the liberty we choose to give away that stains our generation."

---Right Wing Libertarian,  17 March 2020 

To me, this epitomizes the parts that are most wrong with the US, which essentially boils down to "I don't care about the collective good, I care about my individual rights". 

vaggar99

Hey guys.  I've been away from AMT a while.  Anything new?  How's the world doing?

jerparker20

vaggar99 said:

Hey guys.  I've been away from AMT a while.  Anything new?  How's the world doing?

Nothing new. Same shit different day.