The coronavirus

Glorified KC

josevolution said:

4 months into crisis Italy has its worst day yesterday!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-51952712

I'm really broken up by seeing what's happening in Italy right now.  Almost 500 deaths in the last 24 hours.  To anyone in Italy in 10C, my heart goes out to you.

mickeyrat

tish said:

Hi New Yorkers,

I suppose you guys are facing a carrot or the stick option. Here in Canada, we have not evoked the Emergency Act yet, which will be required when the carrot is insufficient to have citizens act with a duty of care to others.

Bear in mind, again, however your state achieves results, that these measures will avoid health care practitioners having to decide who obtains medical resources and survives.

choices like the Docs in Italy are being forced to make....

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-italy-doctors-tough-calls-survival/

mickeyrat

maybe its wishful thinking, but I saw more reefer trailers last night, sealed loads with locks than I believe I see normally.

rgambs

mickeyrat said:

maybe its wishful thinking, but I saw more reefer trailers last night, sealed loads with locks than I believe I see normally.

My old man is hauling milk from Ohio all the way to Iowa and eastern PA for Costcos and big box stores!  Crazy.

Lerxst1992

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

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oftenreading said:

myoung321 said:

oftenreading said:

myoung321 said:

dignin said:

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

How is that comforting?

As many as 82 million Americans with employer-based coverage have a pre-existing condition, ranging from life-threatening illnesses like cancer to chronic conditions like diabetes, asthma, or heart disease.

How many without employer-based coverage????? 

It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically.

I think you need to read the latest data...  How'bout your not so healthy friends or over 60 family? damn... 

Wake up.... it's not just "old" people 

Up to 20% of younger adults infected with coronavirus end up hospitalized, CDC says

https://news.yahoo.com/20-younger-adults-infected-coronavirus-001923791.html

Up to 1 in 5 younger adults in the U.S. infected with coronavirus wind up in the hospital, according to a new analysis by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC looked at more than 2,400 cases of COVID-19 in the United States over the past month in the analysis released Wednesday.

It found that coronavirus patients over 85 had the highest death rate with 10% to 27% dying from the disease. That’s similar to data from China that indicates a majority of deaths are in people over 60, according to the CDC.

It also echoes CDC warnings that older Americans are much more likely to get sicker.

For younger people, the CDC found between 14% and 20% of adults between the ages of 20 and 44 were hospitalized for coronavirus. About .1 to .2% died from the virus.

I’ve read it, thanks. Was referring to mortality rates not illness in my comments. I have the right to decide who I am most concerned about within my family and friends without your criticism of that, as do you with your loved ones. 

But you are posting in a public forum and are appearing extremely callous that your under 60 friends and family with very treatable and normally minor conditions such as asthma and hypertension may be facing a lethal disease?

That comforts you?

Wow. Why in the world would you think that comforts them? What a ridiculous thing to say. 

You can be happy that if you and your love ones that do not have any underlying illnesses are more than likely going to be ok if and when you get this virus. That does not mean you do not care about any other stats or any other people any less. Why do I even need to explain this out loud? The link above is great news if true for a lot of people and should be posted since it debunks a lot of misinformation that has been spreading around a lot lately. 

It sounds like you didnt catch the original comment.

 I'm questioning why anyone would be comforted by the misinformation that those under 60 are  safe if otherwise healthy, which is dangerously vague and inexact term the medical world.

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

rgambs

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Fellow NYers.

Deblasio wants Shelter in Place  for the 5 Burroughs and Cuomo does not.  Reason is it's stupid to have one area with it only to have multiple people leave those areas and move about the state.

I am expecting a full shut down of NY soon w only first responders and essential personnel working.

Agree that it is silly to have this in place in some spots and not others.  It is better than not doing it at all but it should be done federally. 

I buy into this position but can understand why most will not and I also do not think it will happen, although Ackerman clearly does.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/bill-ackman-pleads-to-trump-to-increase-closures-to-save-the-economy-shut-it-down-now.html

The idea that I ever would have considered a full 30 day lock-down to be the best option for our economy/shot at continuing American life as we know it is a complete joke, to me.  Yet....here we are.

Absolutely disagree, the population density in the 5 Burroughs and their burbs is insane, and that makes it a hugely high risk area.  The physical proximity of people, not to mention the traditionally "hardened" attitude of New Yorkers (that's the nicest term I could think of lol) coupled with the relative lack of hospital capacity makes for a disaster scenario that the rest of New York doesn't necessarily face.

Lerxst1992

DewieCox said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Anyone getting false comfort because covid "only happens to old people"

A member of the band we love, whose name is at the top of this page,  who is just 6 years from being in this high risk age category...

Also lives with well known ailment (that's been posted on porch historically), has talked about related incidents on stage during his career and this condition could affect immune system efficiency 

Anyone still going to post about how comforted they are in the covid pandemic?

Does twisting words and tearing down any positive news or thoughts about this make  you feel better and  more woke? Mike’s not gonna send you a cookie. 

Do you even know the exact medical history of all of your friends, family and colleagues? Do you understand the slightest of medical conditions could put you or others close to you in grave danger?

We are living in a world of higher risk because our president took and communicated false comfort instead of taking actions other countries did to save lives. Instead of calling other members names, perhaps you should be better informed. 

Explain how exactly I am twisting the following words-

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

Lerxst1992

fife said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I just got out of my GP's office and she reckons this will take 6 months and unless you are elderly and have a pre-existing condition there is no need to panic.

please please tell me she didn't say that.  do not listen to her and maybe find a new doctor

First question to ANY doctor should be, are you an ID specialist. And then maybe we can listen to what they have to say.

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

tish said:

Hi New Yorkers,

I suppose you guys are facing a carrot or the stick option. Here in Canada, we have not evoked the Emergency Act yet, which will be required when the carrot is insufficient to have citizens act with a duty of care to others.

Bear in mind, again, however your state achieves results, that these measures will avoid health care practitioners having to decide who obtains medical resources and survives.

choices like the Docs in Italy are being forced to make....

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-italy-doctors-tough-calls-survival/

The situation in Italy is specifically why I don't understand anyone trying to downplay this, or questioning what they perceive to be an overreaction. These are desperate times for Italy, and it's not a third world country.

No, no one needs to stockpile 6 months worth of toilet paper, but with that being said, people SHOULD be staying at home, and bars & restaurants should be closed right now. The economy is f'ed regardless. The priority for everyone right now should be on saving lives & containing the spread.

If you're not paying attention to what's going on Italy and / or think it can't happen where you are, you have your head in the sand.

rgambs

Lerxst1992 said:

DewieCox said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Anyone getting false comfort because covid "only happens to old people"

A member of the band we love, whose name is at the top of this page,  who is just 6 years from being in this high risk age category...

Also lives with well known ailment (that's been posted on porch historically), has talked about related incidents on stage during his career and this condition could affect immune system efficiency 

Anyone still going to post about how comforted they are in the covid pandemic?

Does twisting words and tearing down any positive news or thoughts about this make  you feel better and  more woke? Mike’s not gonna send you a cookie. 

Do you even know the exact medical history of all of your friends, family and colleagues? Do you understand the slightest of medical conditions could put you or others close to you in grave danger?

We are living in a world of higher risk because our president took and communicated false comfort instead of taking actions other countries did to save lives. Instead of calling other members names, perhaps you should be better informed. 

Explain how exactly I am twisting the following words-

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

Sorry, but you are twisting those words.
Statistically, we are ALL probably going to be OK.  Why you have a problem with people taking some measure of comfort from that is where you are losing us.

JPPJ84

I don't get the fighting over whether people find certain aspects of this whole mess comforting or not.

Personally I find Corona immensely worrying, not just from a health perspective but also a social and economic one. I'm terribly concerned about my grandparents (all 90 years old) and parents (60 and 62, mild heart problems) catching it. All of them are worried! All of them would also tell you that they're just hoping to get through this and they're glad that at least it doesn't affect children. Looking at all my friends with children I'm extremely relieved that they will hopefully be safe. Is it wrong to find that comfort? I don't think so.

Seeing young folk ignoring the danger and therefore potentially endangering others is a whole different story of course.

oftenreading

Lerxst1992 said:

DewieCox said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Anyone getting false comfort because covid "only happens to old people"

A member of the band we love, whose name is at the top of this page,  who is just 6 years from being in this high risk age category...

Also lives with well known ailment (that's been posted on porch historically), has talked about related incidents on stage during his career and this condition could affect immune system efficiency 

Anyone still going to post about how comforted they are in the covid pandemic?

Does twisting words and tearing down any positive news or thoughts about this make  you feel better and  more woke? Mike’s not gonna send you a cookie. 

Do you even know the exact medical history of all of your friends, family and colleagues? Do you understand the slightest of medical conditions could put you or others close to you in grave danger?

We are living in a world of higher risk because our president took and communicated false comfort instead of taking actions other countries did to save lives. Instead of calling other members names, perhaps you should be better informed. 

Explain how exactly I am twisting the following words-

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

I have no idea what is driving your thoughts and emotion about my comment. Is it forbidden to take comfort from the fact that some of my loved ones will probably be okay, freeing up a little emotional space so that I can I worry more about others? 

I can only assume you are totally misunderstanding what's behind my comments, which is okay. We're all a bit, or more than a bit, anxious.

cblock4life

mcgruff10 said:

Guys this is the family I know:

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/its-inconceivable-5-family-members-in-critical-condition-from-covid-19-after-relative-dies.html

I think I saw an unfortunate update today regarding this family.
im sorry for your loss and can’t fathom the devastation this family and so many others are dealing with right now. 
Don’t stop posting because of some jerks who jumped on your ass about your friends mask. I have construction masks from spraying I did 3 years ago. Seriously people. 
So don’t stop posting because it seemed to help you and sometimes just reading helps those who don’t post. 
Keep climbing trees and meditating and for everyone remember what’s important and listen to “Just Breathe” 

F Me In The Brain

rgambs said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Fellow NYers.

Deblasio wants Shelter in Place  for the 5 Burroughs and Cuomo does not.  Reason is it's stupid to have one area with it only to have multiple people leave those areas and move about the state.

I am expecting a full shut down of NY soon w only first responders and essential personnel working.

Agree that it is silly to have this in place in some spots and not others.  It is better than not doing it at all but it should be done federally. 

I buy into this position but can understand why most will not and I also do not think it will happen, although Ackerman clearly does.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/bill-ackman-pleads-to-trump-to-increase-closures-to-save-the-economy-shut-it-down-now.html

The idea that I ever would have considered a full 30 day lock-down to be the best option for our economy/shot at continuing American life as we know it is a complete joke, to me.  Yet....here we are.

Absolutely disagree, the population density in the 5 Burroughs and their burbs is insane, and that makes it a hugely high risk area.  The physical proximity of people, not to mention the traditionally "hardened" attitude of New Yorkers (that's the nicest term I could think of lol) coupled with the relative lack of hospital capacity makes for a disaster scenario that the rest of New York doesn't necessarily face.

I can understand your position.  We can agree to disagree, as I believe everywhere should be on lock-down.  (Even areas were you think there might not be quite the same risk for a disaster scenario.)

Hardened Attitude gave me a chuckle.

Lerxst1992

oftenreading said:

Lerxst1992 said:

DewieCox said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Anyone getting false comfort because covid "only happens to old people"

A member of the band we love, whose name is at the top of this page,  who is just 6 years from being in this high risk age category...

Also lives with well known ailment (that's been posted on porch historically), has talked about related incidents on stage during his career and this condition could affect immune system efficiency 

Anyone still going to post about how comforted they are in the covid pandemic?

Does twisting words and tearing down any positive news or thoughts about this make  you feel better and  more woke? Mike’s not gonna send you a cookie. 

Do you even know the exact medical history of all of your friends, family and colleagues? Do you understand the slightest of medical conditions could put you or others close to you in grave danger?

We are living in a world of higher risk because our president took and communicated false comfort instead of taking actions other countries did to save lives. Instead of calling other members names, perhaps you should be better informed. 

Explain how exactly I am twisting the following words-

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

I have no idea what is driving your thoughts and emotion about my comment. Is it forbidden to take comfort from the fact that some of my loved ones will probably be okay, freeing up a little emotional space so that I can I worry more about others? 

I can only assume you are totally misunderstanding what's behind my comments, which is okay. We're all a bit, or more than a bit, anxious.

Because our president, who is world famous for his misinformation, spread MONTHS worth of false comfort that will cost us lives.

We are facing the worst health crisis since apparently the Spanish flu, covering a hundred years, and possibly 80% of us will be completely unaware if we are asymptomatic and carrying the disease. 

Just because you will live thru this does not mean potentially you could directly cause the death of others simply by deciding you are comfortable and it's ok to walk in public with your comfort shoes on 

JPPJ84

Lerxst1992 said:

oftenreading said:

Lerxst1992 said:

DewieCox said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Anyone getting false comfort because covid "only happens to old people"

A member of the band we love, whose name is at the top of this page,  who is just 6 years from being in this high risk age category...

Also lives with well known ailment (that's been posted on porch historically), has talked about related incidents on stage during his career and this condition could affect immune system efficiency 

Anyone still going to post about how comforted they are in the covid pandemic?

Does twisting words and tearing down any positive news or thoughts about this make  you feel better and  more woke? Mike’s not gonna send you a cookie. 

Do you even know the exact medical history of all of your friends, family and colleagues? Do you understand the slightest of medical conditions could put you or others close to you in grave danger?

We are living in a world of higher risk because our president took and communicated false comfort instead of taking actions other countries did to save lives. Instead of calling other members names, perhaps you should be better informed. 

Explain how exactly I am twisting the following words-

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

I have no idea what is driving your thoughts and emotion about my comment. Is it forbidden to take comfort from the fact that some of my loved ones will probably be okay, freeing up a little emotional space so that I can I worry more about others? 

I can only assume you are totally misunderstanding what's behind my comments, which is okay. We're all a bit, or more than a bit, anxious.

Because our president, who is world famous for his misinformation, spread MONTHS worth of false comfort that will cost us lives.

We are facing the worst health crisis since apparently the Spanish flu, covering a hundred years, and possibly 80% of us will be completely unaware if we are asymptomatic and carrying the disease. 

Just because you will live thru this does not mean potentially you could directly cause the death of others simply by deciding you are comfortable and it's ok to walk in public with your comfort shoes on 

huh?? You really want to misinterpret, don't you?!

rgambs

Lerxst1992 said:

oftenreading said:

Lerxst1992 said:

DewieCox said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Anyone getting false comfort because covid "only happens to old people"

A member of the band we love, whose name is at the top of this page,  who is just 6 years from being in this high risk age category...

Also lives with well known ailment (that's been posted on porch historically), has talked about related incidents on stage during his career and this condition could affect immune system efficiency 

Anyone still going to post about how comforted they are in the covid pandemic?

Does twisting words and tearing down any positive news or thoughts about this make  you feel better and  more woke? Mike’s not gonna send you a cookie. 

Do you even know the exact medical history of all of your friends, family and colleagues? Do you understand the slightest of medical conditions could put you or others close to you in grave danger?

We are living in a world of higher risk because our president took and communicated false comfort instead of taking actions other countries did to save lives. Instead of calling other members names, perhaps you should be better informed. 

Explain how exactly I am twisting the following words-

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

I have no idea what is driving your thoughts and emotion about my comment. Is it forbidden to take comfort from the fact that some of my loved ones will probably be okay, freeing up a little emotional space so that I can I worry more about others? 

I can only assume you are totally misunderstanding what's behind my comments, which is okay. We're all a bit, or more than a bit, anxious.

Because our president, who is world famous for his misinformation, spread MONTHS worth of false comfort that will cost us lives.

We are facing the worst health crisis since apparently the Spanish flu, covering a hundred years, and possibly 80% of us will be completely unaware if we are asymptomatic and carrying the disease. 

Just because you will live thru this does not mean potentially you could directly cause the death of others simply by deciding you are comfortable and it's ok to walk in public with your comfort shoes on 

Don't project your frustration with common idiots onto well-educated, informed, and conscientious people like oftenreading.
It makes you look like a reactionary fool and if I did the same sort of projection onto you it would have me saying that you are trying to foment panic.

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

oftenreading said:

Lerxst1992 said:

DewieCox said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Anyone getting false comfort because covid "only happens to old people"

A member of the band we love, whose name is at the top of this page,  who is just 6 years from being in this high risk age category...

Also lives with well known ailment (that's been posted on porch historically), has talked about related incidents on stage during his career and this condition could affect immune system efficiency 

Anyone still going to post about how comforted they are in the covid pandemic?

Does twisting words and tearing down any positive news or thoughts about this make  you feel better and  more woke? Mike’s not gonna send you a cookie. 

Do you even know the exact medical history of all of your friends, family and colleagues? Do you understand the slightest of medical conditions could put you or others close to you in grave danger?

We are living in a world of higher risk because our president took and communicated false comfort instead of taking actions other countries did to save lives. Instead of calling other members names, perhaps you should be better informed. 

Explain how exactly I am twisting the following words-

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

I have no idea what is driving your thoughts and emotion about my comment. Is it forbidden to take comfort from the fact that some of my loved ones will probably be okay, freeing up a little emotional space so that I can I worry more about others? 

I can only assume you are totally misunderstanding what's behind my comments, which is okay. We're all a bit, or more than a bit, anxious.

Because our president, who is world famous for his misinformation, spread MONTHS worth of false comfort that will cost us lives.

We are facing the worst health crisis since apparently the Spanish flu, covering a hundred years, and possibly 80% of us will be completely unaware if we are asymptomatic and carrying the disease. 

Just because you will live thru this does not mean potentially you could directly cause the death of others simply by deciding you are comfortable and it's ok to walk in public with your comfort shoes on 

wow, i can't believe you are taking this to this level. often merely expressed a certain level of comfort that some people they know will be ok. that doesn't mean often is "ok" with others dying. jesus, those two things aren't mutually exclusive. it's called looking at the positives, the silver linings, etc. 

Ledbetterman10

Lerxst1992 said:

oftenreading said:

Lerxst1992 said:

DewieCox said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Anyone getting false comfort because covid "only happens to old people"

A member of the band we love, whose name is at the top of this page,  who is just 6 years from being in this high risk age category...

Also lives with well known ailment (that's been posted on porch historically), has talked about related incidents on stage during his career and this condition could affect immune system efficiency 

Anyone still going to post about how comforted they are in the covid pandemic?

Does twisting words and tearing down any positive news or thoughts about this make  you feel better and  more woke? Mike’s not gonna send you a cookie. 

Do you even know the exact medical history of all of your friends, family and colleagues? Do you understand the slightest of medical conditions could put you or others close to you in grave danger?

We are living in a world of higher risk because our president took and communicated false comfort instead of taking actions other countries did to save lives. Instead of calling other members names, perhaps you should be better informed. 

Explain how exactly I am twisting the following words-

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

I have no idea what is driving your thoughts and emotion about my comment. Is it forbidden to take comfort from the fact that some of my loved ones will probably be okay, freeing up a little emotional space so that I can I worry more about others? 

I can only assume you are totally misunderstanding what's behind my comments, which is okay. We're all a bit, or more than a bit, anxious.

Because our president, who is world famous for his misinformation, spread MONTHS worth of false comfort that will cost us lives.

We are facing the worst health crisis since apparently the Spanish flu, covering a hundred years, and possibly 80% of us will be completely unaware if we are asymptomatic and carrying the disease. 

Just because you will live thru this does not mean potentially you could directly cause the death of others simply by deciding you are comfortable and it's ok to walk in public with your comfort shoes on 

Earlier I posted Pardon My Take's interview with Fauci. I'll post it again here because I do find it to be very informative. One of the biggest takeaways is he said you can catch the virus, and not be contagious for a few days, nor have symptoms for a few days. Even worse, you can catch the virus, and test negative for it in the early stages because the virus hasn't fully acclimated (not the right word, but you get the point) to your body. So say for example...

Day 1: You're not feeling well, for whatever reason, but not because of the virus.
Day 2: You're still not feeling well, but at some point today, you've caught the virus.
Day 3: Third straight day of being sick, you feel you need the Co-void test. 
Day 4: You get the test, but you test negative because it's only been in your system for two days
Day 5 on onward: You're walking around thinking you're fine, but you're actually infected and contagious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB3FZSsFqrU

mickeyrat

Lerxst1992 said:

DewieCox said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Anyone getting false comfort because covid "only happens to old people"

A member of the band we love, whose name is at the top of this page,  who is just 6 years from being in this high risk age category...

Also lives with well known ailment (that's been posted on porch historically), has talked about related incidents on stage during his career and this condition could affect immune system efficiency 

Anyone still going to post about how comforted they are in the covid pandemic?

Does twisting words and tearing down any positive news or thoughts about this make  you feel better and  more woke? Mike’s not gonna send you a cookie. 

Do you even know the exact medical history of all of your friends, family and colleagues? Do you understand the slightest of medical conditions could put you or others close to you in grave danger?

We are living in a world of higher risk because our president took and communicated false comfort instead of taking actions other countries did to save lives. Instead of calling other members names, perhaps you should be better informed. 

Explain how exactly I am twisting the following words-

....

"It’s comforting because it explains what otherwise appeared to be anomalous data from Italy, and knowledge is power. And for me, it’s comforting because it tells me that my otherwise healthy under-60 friends and family are probably going to be okay physically."

key word there PROBABLY going to be ok.

RIF.

take a fucking pill. smoke a joint. down a fifth. or whatever you do to chill the fuck out and stop projecting.

you're getting as bad as someone else here, Jr.