Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
What’s the saying? “You can wish in one hand and Trump in the other......”
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
it's because he is a god damn fucking moron. he cannot think beyond himself. he has 6 of 7 revenue producing properties shut down. he is thinking about his own wealth and his own business. he cares not for the american people, only himself. and he will find a way to go against the experts because his base trusts trump and his gut feelings.
my prediction is he will open things up a bit next week. cases will spike. and then he will criticize states for opening things up and will say that he never said to relax any restrictions.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
He is clueless, Brian. I can easily see him making decisions like this that go against everything the medical experts are suggesting. But hey, who knows better than the Donald, right?
He's like the world's biggest troll. I sometimes think for him it must be all about being as obnoxious as he possible can.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
it's because he is a god damn fucking moron. he cannot think beyond himself. he has 6 of 7 revenue producing properties shut down. he is thinking about his own wealth and his own business. he cares not for the american people, only himself. and he will find a way to go against the experts because his base trusts trump and his gut feelings.
my prediction is he will open things up a bit next week. cases will spike. and then he will criticize states for opening things up and will say that he never said to relax any restrictions.
The man gives me grey hairs.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
This had been a great thread where we can come together and share our experiences and concerns about the COVID-19 virus. Now, all of the sudden, it's becoming infected with it's own virus- arguments over a few simple comments about celebrities with COVID-19. If Eddie Vedder gets COVID-19 will we see the same nasty comments? Jesus H, people, isn't this a hard enough time without some of you coming here just to be nasty? Fuck that.
This had been a great thread where we can come together and share our experiences and concerns about the COVID-19 virus. Now, all of the sudden, it's becoming infected with it's own virus- arguments over a few simple comments about celebrities with COVID-19. If Eddie Vedder gets COVID-19 will we see the same nasty comments? Jesus H, people, isn't this a hard enough time without some of you coming here just to be nasty? Fuck that.
Who’s being nasty?
Janet Jackson...
lol 😂 thanks needed that I have to get off this forum for a bit I’m totally loosing it ..
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
it's because he is a god damn fucking moron. he cannot think beyond himself. he has 6 of 7 revenue producing properties shut down. he is thinking about his own wealth and his own business. he cares not for the american people, only himself. and he will find a way to go against the experts because his base trusts trump and his gut feelings.
my prediction is he will open things up a bit next week. cases will spike. and then he will criticize states for opening things up and will say that he never said to relax any restrictions.
So - he clearly still thinks it's not a big deal. He is probably pissed because he let someone convince him to let the Dr take the lead but then it kept getting more restrictive. The economy is important and people will die due to a poor economy as well...but damn, he cannot stay on point for more than a couple of days.
This had been a great thread where we can come together and share our experiences and concerns about the COVID-19 virus. Now, all of the sudden, it's becoming infected with it's own virus- arguments over a few simple comments about celebrities with COVID-19. If Eddie Vedder gets COVID-19 will we see the same nasty comments? Jesus H, people, isn't this a hard enough time without some of you coming here just to be nasty? Fuck that.
Yeah I've pretty much checked out on this one.
I really hope we can move on here and let this thread be a place to support and inform each other, not inflame and argue bullshit. If it gets mired in B.S., I'll have to find those things elsewhere.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
He is clueless, Brian. I can easily see him making decisions like this that go against everything the medical experts are suggesting. But hey, who knows better than the Donald, right?
He's like the world's biggest troll. I sometimes think for him it must be all about being as obnoxious as he possible can.
his base eats that up.. it is all about the owning of the libs.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
it's because he is a god damn fucking moron. he cannot think beyond himself. he has 6 of 7 revenue producing properties shut down. he is thinking about his own wealth and his own business. he cares not for the american people, only himself. and he will find a way to go against the experts because his base trusts trump and his gut feelings.
my prediction is he will open things up a bit next week. cases will spike. and then he will criticize states for opening things up and will say that he never said to relax any restrictions.
The man gives me grey hairs.
yeah me too, :(
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
This had been a great thread where we can come together and share our experiences and concerns about the COVID-19 virus. Now, all of the sudden, it's becoming infected with it's own virus- arguments over a few simple comments about celebrities with COVID-19. If Eddie Vedder gets COVID-19 will we see the same nasty comments? Jesus H, people, isn't this a hard enough time without some of you coming here just to be nasty? Fuck that.
@brianlux Absolutely agree. Hope all is well with you and your family and friends.
India went on lock-down today. That is 1.4 billion people. The Prime Minister said something to the effect of (I am paraphrasing) they will experience a lot of pain over the next 21 days during lock-down, but it will be far less than the 21 years it would take to rebuild without it. This seems like a very logical statement and approach when following guidance of medical experts. I fully understand the economic implications of this. That's where the government needs to step in and announce a plan to keep small business afloat, along with assuring people that can't go to work they will have income and a moratorium on bills. There are no perfect answers here, but the only way to stop the spread is to shut everything down. We're the only country I know of that seems to think sending everyone back out into the streets is a smart approach. Well, one person we know of thinks that anyway. Fucking dummy.
I'm thinking about using the little money I have saved to buy an apartment... and instead ask and see what the restaurant my mom got laid off think they need to survive with rent costs etc and lend them money instead (if that is a possibility). To save my moms last years of being able to work, and the social aspects of her work that she will miss.
I am worried about what will happen to her if being stuck in unemployment these last years untill pension.
Stupid idea?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
India went on lock-down today. That is 1.4 billion people. The Prime Minister said something to the effect of (I am paraphrasing) they will experience a lot of pain over the next 21 days during lock-down, but it will be far less than the 21 years it would take to rebuild without it. This seems like a very logical statement and approach when following guidance of medical experts. I fully understand the economic implications of this. That's where the government needs to step in and announce a plan to keep small business afloat, along with assuring people that can't go to work they will have income and a moratorium on bills. There are no perfect answers here, but the only way to stop the spread is to shut everything down. We're the only country I know of that seems to think sending everyone back out into the streets is a smart approach. Well, one person we know of thinks that anyway. Fucking dummy.
I don't see how that is financially possible. 1 month of covering salaries has got to be eat up the budget for the entire year. Its all nice to hear and sounds great, but where does that money come from? DO they pay these salaries for a month then government shuts down for the rest of the year? I just don't see how that is possible.
It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't spend 55% of your entire budget on war.
True, but what is the income tax in Denmark?
I just googled it, average over the last 20 years was 65%. It’s also amazing what you can afford when you tax your citizens an astonishing 65%.
That didn’t seem right, but saw it posted in several sites. and if they pay 75% of their salary, then tax them 65%, they really are paying less than half.
If we were to look at a larger blue state like the one I live in, that tend to provide services to its residents, when you add up all taxes, income fedl state local, fica, property and sales taxes, excise taxes and on... the effective rate is probably close to 50%.
now let’s add on the cost of college and healthcare, you are probably right at that European rate of 65%
but Euros don’t have to worry about bankruptcy issues to the extent we do in the states caused by healthcare or excessive college costs. Plus they don’t have slow as crap trains and pot holed roads because their 65% covers infrastructure modernization.
Not to start a debate on different countries and all that comes with that on this board. And I do not know how accurate this forbes infographic is, but here are at least some numbers. I do not know where the 65% thing comes from.
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The commenters were citing percentage of personal income. Your graphic is percent of GDP.
Okey, then some rankings I've seen on personal income says between 55-60.
But a breakdown in Swedish seems to show you pay roughly: 8 percent + 24 (municipal tax)
Then between 46.500-531.000 DKK an additional + 12,14 %
So, for most people: 8+24+12,14 = 42,14 percent.
And the amount above 531.000 DKK an additional 15 percent.
But who knows. Only the danes.
Yes, more taxes are paid. And yes the danish government is helping out to try to stop an economic crisis.
There are many right wing talking points about tax rates that are complete lies.
one of the big ones before trump changed the tax code, “the US Corporations pay the highest tax rate in the world.”
that was always a conservative lie, for the overwhelming majority of corporations. Most of the large ones pay little or none, just look at amazon as an example.
and most smaller corporations pay close to zero taxes, because they file as a sub s which passes the income to its owners at the personal tax rate, NOT the Corp rate.
so now these same pro economy buffoons want to tell us how to survive a lethal pandemic. This is one effed up country.
If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that!
It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.
Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”
let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.
for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...
...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.
further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants
im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?
So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm? There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork? I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse. It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty. If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going. If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long.
Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.
Are they better off dead after committing multiple murders?
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
it's because he is a god damn fucking moron. he cannot think beyond himself. he has 6 of 7 revenue producing properties shut down. he is thinking about his own wealth and his own business. he cares not for the american people, only himself. and he will find a way to go against the experts because his base trusts trump and his gut feelings.
my prediction is he will open things up a bit next week. cases will spike. and then he will criticize states for opening things up and will say that he never said to relax any restrictions.
Prediction sounds like it is spot on. This is his M.O.
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
That’s why some of us are angry with conservatives. They are putting profit before health and science.
and trumps couple of weeks is actually next week or no later than Easter.
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
it's because he is a god damn fucking moron. he cannot think beyond himself. he has 6 of 7 revenue producing properties shut down. he is thinking about his own wealth and his own business. he cares not for the american people, only himself. and he will find a way to go against the experts because his base trusts trump and his gut feelings.
my prediction is he will open things up a bit next week. cases will spike. and then he will criticize states for opening things up and will say that he never said to relax any restrictions.
Prediction sounds like it is spot on. This is his M.O.
yeah i have watched him for a few years and have him figured out. he always does the same pattern. get involved in something he knows nothing about, speaks optimistically about said issue, ignoring facts and using gut feelings, issue gets worse, deflects all possible blame for his failure to act or for acting in the opposite way he should have. wash, rinse, repeat. on to the next emergency.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that!
It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.
Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”
let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.
for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...
...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.
further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants
im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?
So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm? There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork? I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse. It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty. If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going. If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long.
Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.
Are they better off dead after committing multiple murders?
Lol because going to work is the same as murdering. Quite extreme. So protecting the lives of people from the virus is more important than protecting people’s lives and livelihoods from the economic impact? Check. Let me guess you are financially set to get through this for the long haul? or are a member of an at risk populations? What about the at risk poor and working class that may not make it through an extended shut down? Or are the needs of them less important?
If you are really worried about murdering really take a step outside your immediate reaction and think what will happen if millions plunge into financial ruin. I’m sure they will be so busy breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for staying inside and going broke to do anything drastic.
As ever before. I am all for extending the quarantine if there is a safety net for those in immediate or short term financial risk. If not people are gonna have to do something. And it won’t be their fault if people die. It will be the fault of The credit card companies, landlords and banks that continue demanding money when none comes in. As well as our elected leaders for doing nothing. If I have to go to work to keep myself and my family from financial ruin like millions of others and the option is there I will. And that won’t make me or anyone else a monster or a horrible person.
Moving on, what's this I hear about Trump wanting everyone to go back to work in "a couple of weeks"? Is this for real? Nationwide or do states get to choose? I don't understand the point of isolating for only a short time. How does that "flatten the curve"?
it's because he is a god damn fucking moron. he cannot think beyond himself. he has 6 of 7 revenue producing properties shut down. he is thinking about his own wealth and his own business. he cares not for the american people, only himself. and he will find a way to go against the experts because his base trusts trump and his gut feelings.
my prediction is he will open things up a bit next week. cases will spike. and then he will criticize states for opening things up and will say that he never said to relax any restrictions.
Prediction sounds like it is spot on. This is his M.O.
yeah i have watched him for a few years and have him figured out. he always does the same pattern. get involved in something he knows nothing about, speaks optimistically about said issue, ignoring facts and using gut feelings, issue gets worse, deflects all possible blame for his failure to act or for acting in the opposite way he should have. wash, rinse, repeat. on to the next emergency.
All anyone has to do is follow everything he has said and done since having to deal with the crisis at hand from day 1. He continues to deflect and attack the reporters and journalists and yell "fake news" and that they simply want to report sensationalism.
I'm thinking about using the little money I have saved to buy an apartment... and instead ask and see what the restaurant my mom got laid off think they need to survive with rent costs etc and lend them money instead (if that is a possibility). To save my moms last years of being able to work, and the social aspects of her work that she will miss.
I am worried about what will happen to her if being stuck in unemployment these last years untill pension.
Stupid idea?
I think it’s a wonderful motivation but not the best idea. And I’m not sure she‘d want you to do it. Is it more the financial or social factor that worries you? If it’s the latter I’m sure she can find wonderful volunteer work where she can be useful
New Jersey up to 3,675 cases, 2nd most in the nation.
Stay safe out there mcgruff. Doesn't look like things are going to get any better out there any time soon with your neighbor NY already up to 25,000+ cases. They are expecting to see the worse yet to come in NY in the next 3 weeks. Hopefully we will see FDA drug approvals to help combat this sooner than later.
If the Baffoon wants everything to start up in two weeks let him be the 1st to show up at a restaurant full of people let him be the 1st to sit at sporting even in the regular seats not in a private box, he’s no leader that’s for damn sure! This country doesn’t need him one bit the governor’s have already proven that!
It’s actually one week because he’s referring to it beginning last week.
Listening to trump say “we are America and we are not built for a shutdown” sounds a lot like “we the wealthy demand our slave labor back to work.”
let’s let the economists dictate how to get out of a health emergency. Typical American bull$hit. Too bad if that means millions more die and a second wave kills more and a different age group. To quote a famous republican, oops.
for any pro business person thinking economists should dictate how we get out of a healthcare nightmare, consider if you are a business leader or owner, and you are saying we should not listen to the Health specialists and re socialize soon...
...consider I will never buy your product again and will tell everyone I know to tell everyone they know to do same. I will endlessly comment on the 4th largest website in America and continue to pass the word about your choice of business over lives.
further, I will not be attending any sporting events nor going to any restaurants
im sure millions will act in the same way. How you think the economy recovers under those conditions?
So what about the people living paycheck to paycheck that desperately need to get back to work? How about the people that don’t have a pile of money to weather this storm? There is clearly not hope of a safety net or recovery for the poor and lower middle class here in America. Is it horrible for us to want to go back to work because even though the money isn’t coming in anymore the bills are still rolling in like clockwork? I’m all for continuing the self isolation if you can guarantee that millions of working Americans won’t come out of it financially insolvent or bankrupt or worse. It’s not just the stockbrokers and ultra rich that want the economy running it is also the people with bills to pay that don’t want to end in poverty. If the wealthy and corporations among us and the government want to get together and make a security net I say keep the quarantine going. If you want millions of Americans to have to honor their debts, bills and buy necessary items like food etc with no money coming in that is not going to fly for long.
Everyone is talking about trump and republicans and economists but no one is looking at the poor and working class it seems.
Are they better off dead after committing multiple murders?
Lol because going to work is the same as murdering. Quite extreme. So protecting the lives of people from the virus is more important than protecting people’s lives and livelihoods from the economic impact? Check. Let me guess you are financially set to get through this for the long haul? or are a member of an at risk populations? What about the at risk poor and working class that may not make it through an extended shut down? Or are the needs of them less important?
If you are really worried about murdering really take a step outside your immediate reaction and think what will happen if millions plunge into financial ruin. I’m sure they will be so busy breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for staying inside and going broke to do anything drastic.
As ever before. I am all for extending the quarantine if there is a safety net for those in immediate or short term financial risk. If not people are gonna have to do something. And it won’t be their fault if people die. It will be the fault of The credit card companies, landlords and banks that continue demanding money when none comes in. As well as our elected leaders for doing nothing. If I have to go to work to keep myself and my family from financial ruin like millions of others and the option is there I will. And that won’t make me or anyone else a monster or a horrible person.
Your points are valid, but what do you think is going to happen if everyone goes back to work and the virus keeps spreading?
Do you think the economy is going to bounce back with an incredibly contagious disease crippling our hospitals?
Do you think people are going to be going to bars and restaurants in this scenario?
I agree there needs to be a safety net for people most affected, but the only way to address this virus is to contain it.
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my prediction is he will open things up a bit next week. cases will spike. and then he will criticize states for opening things up and will say that he never said to relax any restrictions.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
He's like the world's biggest troll. I sometimes think for him it must be all about being as obnoxious as he possible can.
The man gives me grey hairs.
I really hope we can move on here and let this thread be a place to support and inform each other, not inflame and argue bullshit. If it gets mired in B.S., I'll have to find those things elsewhere.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I am worried about what will happen to her if being stuck in unemployment these last years untill pension.
Stupid idea?
Yep.
one of the big ones before trump changed the tax code, “the US Corporations pay the highest tax rate in the world.”
that was always a conservative lie, for the overwhelming majority of corporations. Most of the large ones pay little or none, just look at amazon as an example.
and most smaller corporations pay close to zero taxes, because they file as a sub s which passes the income to its owners at the personal tax rate, NOT the Corp rate.
so now these same pro economy buffoons want to tell us how to survive a lethal pandemic. This is one effed up country.
and trumps couple of weeks is actually next week or no later than Easter.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Let me guess you are financially set to get through this for the long haul? or are a member of an at risk populations? What about the at risk poor and working class that may not make it through an extended shut down? Or are the needs of them less important?
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
That stuff will put some hair on your feet!!
Your points are valid, but what do you think is going to happen if everyone goes back to work and the virus keeps spreading?
Do you think the economy is going to bounce back with an incredibly contagious disease crippling our hospitals?
Do you think people are going to be going to bars and restaurants in this scenario?
I agree there needs to be a safety net for people most affected, but the only way to address this virus is to contain it.