Saving human lives should take priority over maintaining the economic status quo.
But you don’t think an economic collapse will also take lives? An economic collapse will mean less health care and even unhealthier lifestyles as people go back to eating $0.99 fast food deals instead of making a healthier choice. Not to mention stress and anxiety, being unable to retire, will all take tolls on people’s physical health. we do need to consider a balance and at what point we will be harming ourselves more through this partial shutdown.
I don't disagree, and you raise some valid points; but looking at the situation in Italy, I think slowing this thing down needs to be priority #1 above all else.
I get people worrying about the economy & the long term affect this is going to have, but what's the point if our health care system gets overrun and collapses?
We really need to start listening to the medical professionals and accept that halting the spread of this should be everyone's #1 priority.
Our health care system won't collapse. The risk is that it gets overwhelmed by a surge of critically ill patients and deaths spike because of a capacity issue. That is a horrible outcome, but just to be clear about what we're up against.
Sounds like close enough to a collapse to me.
It is not at all. It is a disaster in its own right but it's a completely separate issue from functioning hospital systems, physician organizations, etc. once we are on the other side of this.
Yes, and even though nothing proven....I still bought the tylenol I saw on the shelf when I got gas the other day. Just in case. No reason to risk.
Yeah I bought a 500 count of Tylenol last week. It was literally the last bottle on the shelve.
Since it was a gas station, I think mine is like 24 only. I will buy more if I see it. Not to hoard, but enough in case someone is dealing with this for weeks in my house.
Saving human lives should take priority over maintaining the economic status quo.
But you don’t think an economic collapse will also take lives? An economic collapse will mean less health care and even unhealthier lifestyles as people go back to eating $0.99 fast food deals instead of making a healthier choice. Not to mention stress and anxiety, being unable to retire, will all take tolls on people’s physical health. we do need to consider a balance and at what point we will be harming ourselves more through this partial shutdown.
I don't disagree, and you raise some valid points; but looking at the situation in Italy, I think slowing this thing down needs to be priority #1 above all else.
I agree. I thin everyone agrees we need to get a handle of the situation.
But it is still horrifying thinking of the economic and social ramifications of this going forward.
And you sort of hope they will find a quick-fix in some surprising buy oh so logical way.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Saving human lives should take priority over maintaining the economic status quo.
Status quo is not on the table. That's gone for now. What's going to be weighed is recession vs. depression. We're talking degrees of calamity. What others are saying (and I tend to agree with) is that there is a human life toll on the bad end of that, too.
Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.
This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.
An argument for economy over disease:
With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?
Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.
This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.
An argument for economy over disease:
With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?
Not a bad argument but be prepared to be vilified.
Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.
This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.
An argument for economy over disease:
With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?
The problem I have with the youth is them not taking this so seriously.
Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.
This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.
An argument for economy over disease:
With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?
The problem I have with the youth is them not taking this so seriously.
In Sweden we have the problem that the ELDERLY do not take it seriously. While the young hide at home to protect the old, the old are out DOING THEIR REGULAR OLD PEOPLE SHIT
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.
This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.
An argument for economy over disease:
With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?
Not a bad argument but be prepared to be vilified.
I watched the film Contagion last night. Aside from it having the expected Hollywood moments, it was very good and frightening how much it resembled what we are living through at the moment. The warning signs of this happening have been there for many years. We failed to prepare accordingly.
Happy Monday everyone! Some good news: my old neighbor has been in a coma for 12 days but is finally showing a little improvement. Fingers crossed he comes home soon.
Thank you for sharing good news. We need some. I hope he comes soon as well.
Should mention that Taiwan's healthcare is also amazing. Going to the hospital is run like clockwork getting you to the specialist you need. If you need blood drawn or xrays or whatever you are just in and out.
If you're not working, you are still required to be enrolled in the healthcare system for a grand total of $749 NTD or $24 usd a month.
And by the way...the fact that these fucking clowns in Washington can't come to terms on a deal is disgusting. We're facing the greatest crisis of any of our lifetimes, yet it's the same old political bullshit by these ass holes. Both parties disgust me and they continue to do the same old political tap dance with millions of lives and livelihoods at stake. Get a clue, Washington.
And by the way...the fact that these fucking clowns in Washington can't come to terms on a deal is disgusting. We're facing the greatest crisis of any of our lifetimes, yet it's the same old political bullshit by these ass holes. Both parties disgust me and they continue to do the same old political tap dance with millions of lives and livelihoods at stake. Get a clue, Washington.
If they could only pass things through in smaller groups it might be less likely to be held up.
Some of their ideas seem idiotic, to me. (Give people who don't make too much $1200? What fucking good is that? Be gone right away.)
Should mention that Taiwan's healthcare is also amazing. Going to the hospital is run like clockwork getting you to the specialist you need. If you need blood drawn or xrays or whatever you are just in and out.
If you're not working, you are still required to be enrolled in the healthcare system for a grand total of $749 NTD or $24 usd a month.
Get that stinking s o c i a l i s m out of here. Peoples health and life's should be out there on the market place for the highest margins and the benefit of stockholders.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Going back to Trumps statement: After 15 days the country will assess if the cure is worse than the disease.
This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.
An argument for economy over disease:
With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?
Not a bad argument but be prepared to be vilified.
And by the way...the fact that these fucking clowns in Washington can't come to terms on a deal is disgusting. We're facing the greatest crisis of any of our lifetimes, yet it's the same old political bullshit by these ass holes. Both parties disgust me and they continue to do the same old political tap dance with millions of lives and livelihoods at stake. Get a clue, Washington.
They are trying to please their corporate masters and buy us all off with a 1200 check. I highly doubt any legislation they reach will have a meaningful impact on us working stiffs that have had our lives and income put on hold. Of course miracles do happen
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What is it like in Taiwan right now? Did you guys get hit as hard as the mainland?
https://www.ecowatch.com/ibuprofen-and-covid-19-2645558875.html
Just in case. No reason to risk.
I don't disagree, and you raise some valid points; but looking at the situation in Italy, I think slowing this thing down needs to be priority #1 above all else.
But it is still horrifying thinking of the economic and social ramifications of this going forward.
And you sort of hope they will find a quick-fix in some surprising buy oh so logical way.
This sounds reasonable and maybe hearing this will help all the stir crazy people at home who are doing the right thing.
An argument for economy over disease:
With earth's population saturated, perhaps the elderly, who helped run the environment into the ground, could sacrifice for the next generations, giving youth a better chance of survival?
Not a bad argument but be prepared to be vilified.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
What has been stopping you?
Sounds a bit familiar. Would that apply to others considered undesirable as well?
Apologies if I’m mistaken but that’s what it sounds like to me.
It's is similar to an old U of T civil engineering Stats course problem:
3 people in a boat that will sink as it can only carry the load for two... What do ya do?
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There are no kings inside the gates of eden
There are no kings inside the gates of eden