This thread made it a day and didn't get locked. I am impressed!
There is a To Kill a Mockingbird play on Broadway here in NYC that I have been dying to see and was wondering if they removed the N word from the screen play? Haven't heard anything about it.
I would be shocked and dismayed if it was taken out. That, to me, is the one obvious exception when it comes to the use of the word (by non-black people): in art (movies, books, etc) about racism. I mean, it would be pretty fucking hard to make a movie about American slavery or about white supremacists, or about Jim Crow topics, without the word being in the script and said by white actors.
Good point. When actually being historically correct and discussing events, etc. Makes sense. Probably can't do 12 years a Slave without it
Worked with a few young black guys over 20 years ago. I had 2 black guys around my age including my Boss. Well, one day the young guys were calling each other the "N"-word when the 2 older guys said to them to STOP calling each other the "N"-word. Their reason was if you do not respect each other how can other people?
Then you have the ICE-T song "Straight up Nga" that says those older guys wouldn't understand.
To be more accurate. The young guys were around 18-24 and one of the "older' guys was in his upper 20's(not much older) and one was in his early 30's. Really not that much of a difference in age at that time.
I agreed with them at the time and i still do. The N-word should never be used in that context.
Worked with a few young black guys over 20 years ago. I had 2 black guys around my age including my Boss. Well, one day the young guys were calling each other the "N"-word when the 2 older guys said to them to STOP calling each other the "N"-word. Their reason was if you do not respect each other how can other people?
Then you have the ICE-T song "Straight up Nga" that says those older guys wouldn't understand.
To be more accurate. The young guys were around 18-24 and one of the "older' guys was in his upper 20's(not much older) and one was in his early 30's. Really not that much of a difference in age at that time.
I agreed with them at the time and i still do. The N-word should never be used in that context.
I agree too. I respect black people's right to do what they will with the word of course... But if they asked my opinion about it, I would say that they are doing themselves a disservice by ever using the word. Like someone else said, they should let that word disappear from the language (or at least leave it to just be the worst racist slur possible, making it solely an identifier of racists).
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Worked with a few young black guys over 20 years ago. I had 2 black guys around my age including my Boss. Well, one day the young guys were calling each other the "N"-word when the 2 older guys said to them to STOP calling each other the "N"-word. Their reason was if you do not respect each other how can other people?
Then you have the ICE-T song "Straight up Nga" that says those older guys wouldn't understand.
To be more accurate. The young guys were around 18-24 and one of the "older' guys was in his upper 20's(not much older) and one was in his early 30's. Really not that much of a difference in age at that time.
I agreed with them at the time and i still do. The N-word should never be used in that context.
I agree too. I respect black people's right to do what they will with the word of course... But if they asked my opinion about it, I would say that they are doing themselves a disservice by ever using the word. Like someone else said, they should let that word disappear from the language (or at least leave it to just be the worst racist slur possible, making it solely an identifier of racists).
I know the last thing they are going to do is ask us for their opinion, lol.
Being white, I suppose it could be argued that I have no right or position to say this (but I will)- I have issues with the on-going rapper use of the "ah" ending "n" word. Back when it came out, Dick Gregory's autobiography Nigger was, as the man himself, a very powerful statement. Gregory's work was huge in bringing about a sense of pride in the black community. I saw him speak on campus in 1969. I stood in a large hall, heated by the bodies of a large and very predominantly black crowd. The room was filled with a tangible pride mixed with anger mixed with hope. I don't recall Gregory using the "n" word in that talk. I think the use of it on his book was meant to reach a wider audience and create awareness. Seeing him speak was one of the most impressive experiences of my then young life. I may be wrong about this (but it's how I see it), but I don't see the rapper use of the "n" word being nearly as effective or powerful or creating change in society.
This, (and Gregory's other works) is a great book for anyone interested in reading about the early years of growing black awareness and black pride. Highly recommended:
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This is kinda funny, entertaining, and relevant to the nookie discussion. Snoop Dogg playing at Kansas to perhaps the whitest crowd of college students in the northern hemisphere. I can just imagine Chancellor James Dinglemore III shaking Mr. Doggs hand and wishing him good luck with the hip and the hop before he went live and then you see the 80's comedy movie horror on his face when nookie bombs start getting dropped about 1.7 seconds into the performance
This is kinda funny, entertaining, and relevant to the nookie discussion. Snoop Dogg playing at Kansas to perhaps the whitest crowd of college students in the northern hemisphere. I can just imagine Chancellor James Dinglemore III shaking Mr. Doggs hand and wishing him good luck with the hip and the hop before he went live and then you see the 80's comedy movie horror on his face when nookie bombs start getting dropped about 1.7 seconds into the performance
So this is a two edged sword. Zero tolerance means just that, zero tolerance. I can see why he was fired, I get that. Was it the right call? Most likely not.
2nd thing I want to know is what kind of school is this where everyone is flaunting the word?
I've been friends with a lot of people and the word just didn't get thrown around.
Friends that are teachers say the word is thrown around constantly. I thought it was just the area. We definitely live in a different time...
So this is a two edged sword. Zero tolerance means just that, zero tolerance. I can see why he was fired, I get that. Was it the right call? Most likely not.
2nd thing I want to know is what kind of school is this where everyone is flaunting the word?
I've been friends with a lot of people and the word just didn't get thrown around.
Friends that are teachers say the word is thrown around constantly. I thought it was just the area. We definitely live in a different time...
Agreed , the guard should of just took his cell out and recorded the confrontation without saying a word ..
So this is a two edged sword. Zero tolerance means just that, zero tolerance. I can see why he was fired, I get that. Was it the right call? Most likely not.
2nd thing I want to know is what kind of school is this where everyone is flaunting the word?
I've been friends with a lot of people and the word just didn't get thrown around.
Friends that are teachers say the word is thrown around constantly. I thought it was just the area. We definitely live in a different time...
Agreed , the guard should of just took his cell out and recorded the confrontation without saying a word ..
That's a tough position to be in. To stand there and do nothing is tough to do...
Zero tolerance just means zero thinking. It is lazy. Any incident of any kind should be investigated and taken on merit. But when you have a public always crying out to fire everyone that makes a mistake, it’s a way for the school (or business or whatever it happens to be that day) to protect themselves from people without the information going off on twitter.
Zero tolerance just means zero thinking. It is lazy. Any incident of any kind should be investigated and taken on merit. But when you have a public always crying out to fire everyone that makes a mistake, it’s a way for the school (or business or whatever it happens to be that day) to protect themselves from people without the information going off on twitter.
agreed. I think zero tolerance should mean every incident is investigated, not immediately assign guilt.
Zero tolerance just means zero thinking. It is lazy. Any incident of any kind should be investigated and taken on merit. But when you have a public always crying out to fire everyone that makes a mistake, it’s a way for the school (or business or whatever it happens to be that day) to protect themselves from people without the information going off on twitter.
10 years ago Arizona schools put forth a "zero tolerance" program for fighting. If you got punched in the face and did not put up a fist you still got suspended.
I thought this was a dumb rule and now I get how it was lazy rule.
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Wisconsin students walk out to protest racial slur firing
West High School students walked out of class around 10 a.m. to protest the firing. Madison Police Department officials didn't respond to The Associated Press' request for a crowd count but told the Wisconsin State Journal newspaper that about 1,500 people participated.
A WISC-TV livestream of the walkout showed what appeared to be scores of students marching through the streets. They walked to the Madison school district offices and marched laps around the building, chanting "Hey-hey, hey-ho, zero tolerance has got to go!" and "Do Better!"
Security guard Marlon Anderson, 48, said he was responding to a call Oct. 9 about a disruptive student at West. He said the student, who is black, called him obscenities, including the N-word. Anderson said he told the student multiple times not to call him that, repeating the slur during the confrontation.
Madison schools have a zero-tolerance policy on employees saying racial slurs. Anderson was fired Wednesday.
Anderson said he was just trying to defend himself and that context matters. The Madison teachers union has filed a grievance with the district on his behalf.
During his time at East and West high schools, Anderson said students have used that slur against him "many times," and that it has resulted in "restorative conversations" in which he explains the history, context and meaning of the word.
Last school year, at least seven Madison School District staff members resigned or were fired after using a racial slur in front of students.
West Principal Karen Boran said the zero-tolerance approach has been applied consistently.
The district school board president, Gloria Reyes, said in a statement Friday that she wants the board to review its policy on racial slurs as soon as possible. She said she also has directed district staff to handle Anderson's grievance quickly.
"This is an incredibly difficult situation, and we acknowledge the emotion, harm and complexity involved," she said. "Many people in our community and our district are grappling with that complexity, and we will continue to do so as we go forward."
Superintendent Jane Belmore issued her own statement saying the zero-tolerance policy is designed to protect students from harm, no matter what the circumstances or intent. But she added that "different viewpoints" from the community are emerging and the district will review the policy in light of Anderson's grievance.
The singer Cher weighed on the dispute Friday, tweeting in response to a news story about Anderson that if he decides to sue the Madison school district, she would cover his expenses.
A message left at the Madison teachers union for Anderson wasn't immediately returned.
I like that the reporter had the moxie and investigative intuition to check with Cher so the nation could have proper analysis of this travesty. That probably would have taken an investigative Rolling Stone journalist from the 70's at least a month and several fake mustaches to uncover that portion of the story. God Bless Twitter.
I like that the reporter had the moxie and investigative intuition to check with Cher so the nation could have proper analysis of this travesty. That probably would have taken an investigative Rolling Stone journalist from the 70's at least a month and several fake mustaches to uncover that portion of the story. God Bless Twitter.
Serious topic aside, I think this is fucking hilarious.
This isn’t about the guy who was fired (rehire the guy, this is silly). this has more to do with the over arching theme here. I saw this clip a few years ago and it’s really stuck with me. I think it’s one of the better explanations about the use of the n word.
This isn’t about the guy who was fired (rehire the guy, this is silly). this has more to do with the over arching theme here. I saw this clip a few years ago and it’s really stuck with me. I think it’s one of the better explanations about the use of the n word.
I like that video a lot. The guy is a great speaker and makes an excellent point.
I just have one question though. He say that whites refraining from the use of the "n" word gives us whites just a taste of what it is like for black people not being able to go everywhere and do everything like whites can. Good point. But why is it OK for him to use the word "faggot" (not derogatorily, of course, but even within context) when he is not gay and does not have to deal with the biases of a gay person? Why is that OK for him to use that word but not OK for whites to say the "n" word. I find that to be a discrepancy.
I probably won't see the day this happens- maybe none of us will- but I hope some day the day will come when people, all people, are treated and seen as equals and thus will render these words harmless and universally acceptable.
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I agreed with them at the time and i still do. The N-word should never be used in that context.
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Fired for telling student to stop calling him the Nword ..
2nd thing I want to know is what kind of school is this where everyone is flaunting the word?
I've been friends with a lot of people and the word just didn't get thrown around.
Friends that are teachers say the word is thrown around constantly. I thought it was just the area. We definitely live in a different time...
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I thought this was a dumb rule and now I get how it was lazy rule.
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Wisconsin students walk out to protest racial slur firing
West High School students walked out of class around 10 a.m. to protest the firing. Madison Police Department officials didn't respond to The Associated Press' request for a crowd count but told the Wisconsin State Journal newspaper that about 1,500 people participated.
A WISC-TV livestream of the walkout showed what appeared to be scores of students marching through the streets. They walked to the Madison school district offices and marched laps around the building, chanting "Hey-hey, hey-ho, zero tolerance has got to go!" and "Do Better!"
Security guard Marlon Anderson, 48, said he was responding to a call Oct. 9 about a disruptive student at West. He said the student, who is black, called him obscenities, including the N-word. Anderson said he told the student multiple times not to call him that, repeating the slur during the confrontation.
Madison schools have a zero-tolerance policy on employees saying racial slurs. Anderson was fired Wednesday.
Anderson said he was just trying to defend himself and that context matters. The Madison teachers union has filed a grievance with the district on his behalf.
During his time at East and West high schools, Anderson said students have used that slur against him "many times," and that it has resulted in "restorative conversations" in which he explains the history, context and meaning of the word.
Last school year, at least seven Madison School District staff members resigned or were fired after using a racial slur in front of students.
West Principal Karen Boran said the zero-tolerance approach has been applied consistently.
The district school board president, Gloria Reyes, said in a statement Friday that she wants the board to review its policy on racial slurs as soon as possible. She said she also has directed district staff to handle Anderson's grievance quickly.
"This is an incredibly difficult situation, and we acknowledge the emotion, harm and complexity involved," she said. "Many people in our community and our district are grappling with that complexity, and we will continue to do so as we go forward."
Superintendent Jane Belmore issued her own statement saying the zero-tolerance policy is designed to protect students from harm, no matter what the circumstances or intent. But she added that "different viewpoints" from the community are emerging and the district will review the policy in light of Anderson's grievance.
The singer Cher weighed on the dispute Friday, tweeting in response to a news story about Anderson that if he decides to sue the Madison school district, she would cover his expenses.
A message left at the Madison teachers union for Anderson wasn't immediately returned.
The first few minutes are about his take on the N word. Listen to thew hole interview though as I think he is that good of a listen!