The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    all you trying to nail down what’s enough and what’s ok for someone based on a number. You have no idea how anyone got there. It’s ducking sickening. 
    Don’t care how you got there. 
    I know. It’s weird what people care about. You just want to do whatever you want and take what you need from others to make up for your inabilities.
    No one needs 150k a year. Don’t be so selfish. 
    Selfish. That’s nice. I forgot though you are the communist that just wants other to pay for your everything. So it’s not a surprise. 

    Bet you bitch about Pearl Jam ticket prices too don’t you?
    Me and others—that’s how it works. 
    So how much $ are you contributing to society at the moment?  How much in taxes?  Donations? No bullshit. 
    Less than I should (definitely on the tax side of things). If you think "you're not perfect" is a winning comeback to "things should be different," this conversation isn't going to go anywhere.  
    No I just think a bullshit statement saying how much anyone should make is just that, bullshit.  And usually made by those that do a lot less.
    So you're ok with Jeff Bezos being worth over 100 billion dollars?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    how's the kool-aid? 
    You tell me.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being out of their mind trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.
    All you have to do is study the history of China, Soviet Union and other during the mid 20th century to see the result of their experiment.  McCarthyism is irrelevant when you have history.  
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.


    That’s a bit pretentious, but nothing new coming from the person triggered by a chicken strip.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2020
    ecdanc said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    Everyone around her sounds like a bunch of quitters. I believe in staying around and trying to improve the place you are, but to each their own. 
    That’s what I am doing...voting against communist candidates :). No quitting here!  If you want to live under a communist state, then you are quitting by not moving to one for the full experience. 
    Quiter
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    how's the kool-aid? 
    How are the historical blinders?  We aren't discussing socialism.  This is full blown centrally planned economy where the means of production, military, police and government are with one infallible political party.  You really don't see the risk in that?
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.


    That’s a bit pretentious, but nothing new.
    It's pretentious to point out that the Cold War shaped entire generations' (distorted) views of communism? If ignorance is the alternative to pretension, I'll take the latter. 
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being out of their mind trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.
    All you have to do is study the history of China, Soviet Union and other during the mid 20th century to see the result of their experiment.  McCarthyism is irrelevant when you have history.  
    All you have to do is study US history to see the results of capitalism. You point to communism's failures as evidence of its flaws; capitalism's "successes" are the moments when it is most harmful. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2020
    ecdanc said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.


    That’s a bit pretentious, but nothing new.
    It's pretentious to point out that the Cold War shaped entire generations' (distorted) views of communism? If ignorance is the alternative to pretension, I'll take the latter. 
    You seem to have plenty of both.  It’s pretentious to say that is where my negative views of communism fully come from.  It’s easy to find (accurate) negative examples of communism, why just stick to the Cold War?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being out of their mind trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.
    All you have to do is study the history of China, Soviet Union and other during the mid 20th century to see the result of their experiment.  McCarthyism is irrelevant when you have history.  
    We went over this yesterday. I am not pro communism in any way. And has to my knowledge never defended shitty dictatorships through history labeling themselves communist.

    https://youtu.be/_u8oAMhl8Vc
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ecdanc said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.


    That’s a bit pretentious, but nothing new.
    It's pretentious to point out that the Cold War shaped entire generations' (distorted) views of communism? If ignorance is the alternative to pretension, I'll take the latter. 
    No, the economic failure shaped the view.  Communism had its chance.  It failed.  It subjected its people to abject poverty, oppression and murder.  The historical record is clear.  You are the ignorant one, pretending it didn't happen.  If it was so successful, why is it dead?  
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    PJPOWER said:
    ecdanc said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.


    That’s a bit pretentious, but nothing new.
    It's pretentious to point out that the Cold War shaped entire generations' (distorted) views of communism? If ignorance is the alternative to pretension, I'll take the latter. 
    You seem to have plenty of both.
    Apologies, I'll strive for the educated and appropriately humble approach you deploy: fuck capitalism. Better? 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    Who knew we had so many reds among us? 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    how's the kool-aid? 
    How are the historical blinders?  We aren't discussing socialism.  This is full blown centrally planned economy where the means of production, military, police and government are with one infallible political party.  You really don't see the risk in that?
    Ironically, there are examples of cults that are guided by what can be considered communism that have literally “drank the cool aid”...in fact, that’s probably where the term came from.
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    Who knew we had so many reds among us? 
    Honestly, given where we are having this conversation, I'm surprised there aren't more, but that's my own naivete. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:
    cincybearcat said:
    all you trying to nail down what’s enough and what’s ok for someone based on a number. You have no idea how anyone got there. It’s ducking sickening. 
    Don’t care how you got there. 
    I know. It’s weird what people care about. You just want to do whatever you want and take what you need from others to make up for your inabilities.
    No one needs 150k a year. Don’t be so selfish. 
    Selfish. That’s nice. I forgot though you are the communist that just wants other to pay for your everything. So it’s not a surprise. 

    Bet you bitch about Pearl Jam ticket prices too don’t you?
    Me and others—that’s how it works. 
    So how much $ are you contributing to society at the moment?  How much in taxes?  Donations? No bullshit. 
    Less than I should (definitely on the tax side of things). If you think "you're not perfect" is a winning comeback to "things should be different," this conversation isn't going to go anywhere.  
    No I just think a bullshit statement saying how much anyone should make is just that, bullshit.  And usually made by those that do a lot less.
    So you're ok with Jeff Bezos being worth over 100 billion dollars?
    I am. Even if you completely liquidated him tomorrow every American would get $286. People like to get all red-assed over millionaires and billionaires but the scale is such that looting them isn't really going to make a dent in anything. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2020
    ecdanc said:
    PJPOWER said:
    ecdanc said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.


    That’s a bit pretentious, but nothing new.
    It's pretentious to point out that the Cold War shaped entire generations' (distorted) views of communism? If ignorance is the alternative to pretension, I'll take the latter. 
    You seem to have plenty of both.
    Apologies, I'll strive for the educated and appropriately humble approach you deploy: fuck capitalism. Better? 
    Much.  You can say “fuck whatever” all you want and not upset me in the least professor.  It’s just when you pretentiously act like you know what you are talking about that irritates me and others around here.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    how's the kool-aid? 
    How are the historical blinders?  We aren't discussing socialism.  This is full blown centrally planned economy where the means of production, military, police and government are with one infallible political party.  You really don't see the risk in that?
    Ironically, there are examples of cults that are guided by what can be considered communism that have literally “drank the cool aid”...in fact, that’s probably where the term came from.
    The term likely came from the Jim Jones cult, considering he killed most of his followers with poisoned kool-aid after the murder of the congressman on that airstrip.  I'm fairly certain that's the origin.  
    Regarding your point, I think communism, as it were, could probably be fine in a small group of people.  But in a nation state, it has utterly failed.  
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    People being trigged by someone mentioning the word "communism"

    That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.


    That’s a bit pretentious, but nothing new.
    It's pretentious to point out that the Cold War shaped entire generations' (distorted) views of communism? If ignorance is the alternative to pretension, I'll take the latter. 
    No, the economic failure shaped the view.  Communism had its chance.  It failed.  It subjected its people to abject poverty, oppression and murder.  The historical record is clear.  You are the ignorant one, pretending it didn't happen.  If it was so successful, why is it dead?  
    You should realize we don't disagree on a vital point here: capitalism HAS been "successful." I'm claiming that its "success" is predicated on horrible things happening to large numbers of people. Bubonic plague was pretty successful in the Middle Ages, but that doesn't mean I'm going to celebrate it. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there.  If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
    and fuck Communism 
    how's the kool-aid? 
    How are the historical blinders?  We aren't discussing socialism.  This is full blown centrally planned economy where the means of production, military, police and government are with one infallible political party.  You really don't see the risk in that?
    Ironically, there are examples of cults that are guided by what can be considered communism that have literally “drank the cool aid”...in fact, that’s probably where the term came from.
    The term likely came from the Jim Jones cult, considering he killed most of his followers with poisoned kool-aid after the murder of the congressman on that airstrip.  I'm fairly certain that's the origin.  
    Regarding your point, I think communism, as it were, could probably be fine in a small group of people.  But in a nation state, it has utterly failed.  
    Exactly, but the point still stands.  The Jim Jones cult was essentially a communist society, right?
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