The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,499
    edited February 2020
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:

    Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something. 
    They are insane complainers about the media and fake news.  Where have I seen this before?

    They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....


    Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!
    Nope.  Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods. 
    Is said by people who want to fabricate that narrative to reduce Bernie due to him not being right-wing enough.

    But I'm the one with the "useless" posts, right?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,479
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:mo
    ecdanc said:
    I think that’s a really bad take.

    You think Pete is just an opportunist?
    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/21/beware-pete-buttigieg-sharp-corporate-tool
    I’m just going to go ahead and not believe the communist on this one. No offense you can have your beliefs, but I’m not coming along for your ride.
    The article is by a Democrat....
    If only Bernie was a Democrat. 

    Realist =/= opportunist

    But I think a discussion on the subject with a "proud to vote Trump instead of Sanders" supporter is a non-starter. So no point in going there.
    Quoting its customarily used to document what a person explicitly said.  


    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:mo
    ecdanc said:
    I think that’s a really bad take.

    You think Pete is just an opportunist?
    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/21/beware-pete-buttigieg-sharp-corporate-tool
    I’m just going to go ahead and not believe the communist on this one. No offense you can have your beliefs, but I’m not coming along for your ride.
    The article is by a Democrat....
    If only Bernie was a Democrat. 
    yes, thos. every winning race that man has won was as an independent. his first membership in a democratic socialist party  to this day has not won a national seat and only a few state seats.

    he appoarently started as acn independent then was regidtered member of DS partu for 7 years then flipped back to I.

    Registered D for the sole purpose of running for President. Hijacking party apparatus  to avoid having to do the hard work of getting on ballot in every state.

    THAT is opportunist....
    That would be correct sir and my point. There is no bigger opportunist then Bernie. 

    Realist =/= opportunist

    But I think a discussion on the subject with a "proud to vote Trump instead of Sanders" supporter is a non-starter. So no point in going there.
    Quoting its customarily used to document what a person explicitly said.  
    I don't think he understands how to use quotes correctly.    I can't recall ever saying "proud to vote Trump instead of Sanders".  Seems like someone likes to add in some words to fit their own narrative.  


    Now McGruff - please point to where I "were pissed at Eddie for taking a private jet, ", quoting you verbatim. ?

    Seems like someone likes to add in some words to fit their own narrative.  
    I was just sarcastically replying to your dumb senseless post. 
    Even so you didn't use quotes correctly.  

    You re this big environmental guy: are you ok with people like Bernie, Elizabeth and Ed
    Using private jets to get around?

    I don't see how my post was "dumb" or "senseless". 
    And I don't see this sarcasm you speak of in yours. 

    And I used quote marks, or bunnyears if the term suits you better, in a very valid and correct way. I used it to make the describing term I used to make my point, easily and plainly seen in text to get through the sentence easier. 

    Examples of this:

    - Man, Paul "Hotter than a midday sun" Stanley sure was on fire at tonights concert.
    - Turns out the "SEGA or nothing" fans of the 90s are all playing the Nintendo Switch nowadays. 
    - Bernie "winning this thing for sure" Sanders really is the man. And also a mans man.

    Does that mean that @mrussel1 also were wrong in implying I had used it wrong? Yes he was. And then you jumped in. Two wrongs does not make a right though.

    But when asked for a source by mrussel1 I gave him one. Which showed the basis of this condensation, summarized description.

    If you are looking for using quote marks for exact quotes, or maybe even some old university standard for making references with footnotes, than you are not looking at a context in which that is suitable. 

    But just like diverting to a discussion on the proper use of quote marks instead of the heart of the matter - you are also diverting from answering my question: please point to where I "were pissed at Eddie for taking a private jet, ", quoting you verbatim?
    You re this big environmental guy: are you ok with people like Bernie, Elizabeth and Ed using private jets to get around?

    How about answering my question concerning your claim about me first? Which was the basis for your question -- what make it so hard for you? This is the third time you have dodged.
    You win, I was wrong about that thread.  
    You re this big environmental guy: are you ok with people like Bernie, Elizabeth and Ed using private jets to get around?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:

    Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something. 
    They are insane complainers about the media and fake news.  Where have I seen this before?

    They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....


    Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!
    Nope.  Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods. 
    Is said by people who want to fabricate that narrative to reduce Bernie due to him not being right-wing enough.

    But I'm the one with the "useless" posts, right?
    Just your memes ;)
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:

    Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something. 
    They are insane complainers about the media and fake news.  Where have I seen this before?

    They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....


    Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!
    Nope.  Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods. 
    Like reaching out to minority voters?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,513
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.
     good episode here that illustrates and expounds on that very point.
    Michael Steele podcast 30 min long.

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 
    Have you seen any?

    Pete is really good but about five years too young and 15 years until america is ready for President Pete. We can be a strange country. Good for IA dems for putting him in top 2.
    America can handle a lily-white centrist, but not a gay lily-white centrist! 

    It's a bit of an accomplishment by Bernie to have Pete called a centrist.

    Not too long ago "Medicare for all who want it" would have been considered an extreme policy.
  • ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,499
    edited February 2020
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:

    Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something. 
    They are insane complainers about the media and fake news.  Where have I seen this before?

    They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....


    Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!
    Nope.  Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods. 
    Is said by people who want to fabricate that narrative to reduce Bernie due to him not being right-wing enough.

    But I'm the one with the "useless" posts, right?
    Just your memes ;)
    People on here really need to learn what a meme is. I don't post memes, like never.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 
    Have you seen any?

    Pete is really good but about five years too young and 15 years until america is ready for President Pete. We can be a strange country. Good for IA dems for putting him in top 2.
    America can handle a lily-white centrist, but not a gay lily-white centrist! 

    It's a bit of an accomplishment by Bernie to have Pete called a centrist.

    Not too long ago "Medicare for all who want it" would have been considered an extreme policy.
    Yes, it is an accomplishment that we now call centrists centrists. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,513
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:

    Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something.

    this motherfucking website on mobile.WE PAY FOR THIS BULLSHIT , FIX THE FUCKING THING.

    yeah that was with 62% reporting
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:


    It's like the 2016 election never happened. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:




    The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.

    Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 
    Have you seen any?

    Pete is really good but about five years too young and 15 years until america is ready for President Pete. We can be a strange country. Good for IA dems for putting him in top 2.
    America can handle a lily-white centrist, but not a gay lily-white centrist! 

    It's a bit of an accomplishment by Bernie to have Pete called a centrist.

    Not too long ago "Medicare for all who want it" would have been considered an extreme policy.
    Yes, it is an accomplishment that we now call centrists centrists. 

    Do you have a president or major party nominee that insisted on that policy? I'm not allowing obama because he caved on it ;-)
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,479
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:




    The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.

    Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. 
    I feel Clinton was similar. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:




    The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.

    Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. 
    Well, that rules out Mayo Pete. 
  • ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:




    The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.

    Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. 
    Have George Clooney, Eddie Vedder, Tim Robbins, Michael Moore and Bloomberg pitch in to pay to have this aired during NBA finals and Football finals and baseball finals and hotdogeating contests and before summer blockbusters and fire people up.

    https://youtu.be/Ikgh4JbAWUU
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,479
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:




    The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.

    Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. 
    Well, that rules out Mayo Pete. 
    True. He definitely is not getting the black vote. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:




    The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.

    Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. 
    I feel Clinton was similar. 

    Yes. He was a revered politician until he got a little too frisky at the workplace and his wife got too involved in his line of work.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    If Bernie is the nominee, it’s Rayguns and Carter all over. If Bernie isn’t the nominee, the Bernie bro’s stay home and stamp their feet and pout. Putin on the ritz wins either way.
    Bernie bros? Eyeroll. 
  • If Bernie is the nominee, it’s Rayguns and Carter all over. If Bernie isn’t the nominee, the Bernie bro’s stay home and stamp their feet and pout. Putin on the ritz wins either way.
    Bernie Bros didn't stay home for Hillary. So... why would they now, when they know what Trump actually brings?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 
    Have you seen any?

    Pete is really good but about five years too young and 15 years until america is ready for President Pete. We can be a strange country. Good for IA dems for putting him in top 2.
    America can handle a lily-white centrist, but not a gay lily-white centrist! 

    It's a bit of an accomplishment by Bernie to have Pete called a centrist.

    Not too long ago "Medicare for all who want it" would have been considered an extreme policy.
    Yes, it is an accomplishment that we now call centrists centrists. 

    Do you have a president or major party nominee that insisted on that policy? I'm not allowing obama because he caved on it ;-)
    Of course not. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,479
    If Bernie is the nominee, it’s Rayguns and Carter all over. If Bernie isn’t the nominee, the Bernie bro’s stay home and stamp their feet and pout. Putin on the ritz wins either way.
    This would be true.  Bernie could be the worst candidate ever if he does in fact win the dem nominee.  Who you rooting for these days halifax? Going Biden?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    If Bernie is the nominee, it’s Rayguns and Carter all over. If Bernie isn’t the nominee, the Bernie bro’s stay home and stamp their feet and pout. Putin on the ritz wins either way.
    This would be true.  Bernie could be the worst candidate ever if he does in fact win the dem nominee.  Who you rooting for these days halifax? Going Biden?
    LOL
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:

    Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something. 
    They are insane complainers about the media and fake news.  Where have I seen this before?

    They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....


    Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!
    Nope.  Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods. 
    Like reaching out to minority voters?
    Pandering to their base by blaming the ills on a boogeyman?  Yup.

    Look - we aren't going to agree on this.  And I'm not saying Bernie is as bad a person as trump.  Just that their campaigns seem to use a similar playbook and cause their supporters to behave in a similar manner (questioning the media, questioning vote results, talking of deep state conspiracies against their candidate, etc). 

    So, as someone who is not really a democrat by choice, I am very concerned about his nomination.  
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:




    The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.

    Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. 
    Well, that rules out Mayo Pete. 

    Pete is not intelligent nor charismatic? I'm impressed every time I see him interviewed.

    The base needs time to warm up to candidates. They want to know you and think you can win. They also need to have their right to vote protected to matter in the general.

     Pete's sweet spot is 2028 to 2040.
  • mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:




    The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.

    Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. 
    I feel Clinton was similar. 

    Yes. He was a revered politician until he got a little too frisky at the workplace and his wife got too involved in his line of work.
    I would guess in polls he is still very revered. He left office with record high approval numbers, didn't he?
    He is also a vegan. So he is on the right side of history in more aspects than loving the sound of a sax.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    When you vote for Sanders, keep in mind, this is who trumpers want you to vote for.

    Do you think Trump supporters are generally right about things?


    Ummm...what a weird question cause I'm talking 1 specific issue.  For comparison, I think you are generally wrong about a lot of things but that doesn't mean you won't be right at some point.
    So you are saying these Trump supporters you speak of on 1 specific issue -- this one for example - can be correct then.


    They are going to paint Sanders as a socialist. This is not Canada. This is not Europe. They are extremely confident in their strategy 

    To make it even worse for Democrats, as been pointed out plenty, sanders is not even a Democrat, so he will even lose some votes from his own "party." November is a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Trump was an outsider but he was smart enough to know to go all in with what the insiders wanted in order to win 

    The only way dems win in this country is to have a young charismatic candidate 


     
    Did the insiders want him to ask russia for help and to attack ted cruz wife etc?

    Also, regarding socialism - here is your young candidates take on that:



    Of course I agree with that but you know what it's like here? I'm in one of the bluest states (I wish I can get my phone to autosave that sentence!) And it's pretty bad even by me. Imagine what its like in the swing states. How much Fox News do you watch? Hint, its THE most popular cable channel here.
    Isn't this what people said about voting in a black man before Obama?

    And when people are all "this is what america want and all they can take" you end up with Gore, Kerry, Hillary.

    Have a bit of faith and do the right thing, and:




    The huge difference is that demographic IS the democratic base.

    Obama got the base out in record numbers for obvious reasons, and left leaning moderates and conservatives with his intelligence and charisma. He is a once in a generation politician. 
    Well, that rules out Mayo Pete. 

    Pete is not intelligent nor charismatic? I'm impressed every time I see him interviewed.

    The base needs time to warm up to candidates. They want to know you and think you can win. They also need to have their right to vote protected to matter in the general.

     Pete's sweet spot is 2028 to 2040.
    He might need to poll higher than 1% amongst black voters. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:

    Buttigieg was up 1.8% at the initial release. It was neck and neck then, it's neck and neck now. Some of these Bernie people need to go for a brisk walk or something. 
    They are insane complainers about the media and fake news.  Where have I seen this before?

    They never accept the results of an election unless they win...hmmmm.....


    Ah, the old centrist chestnut: everyone who disagrees with me is the same!!
    Nope.  Just bernie and trump have a similar method and their supporters also have similar methods. 
    Is said by people who want to fabricate that narrative to reduce Bernie due to him not being right-wing enough.

    But I'm the one with the "useless" posts, right?
    Just your memes ;)
    People on here really need to learn what a meme is. I don't post memes, like never.
    Ok, dumb videos that that Field of Dreams one just now.  
    hippiemom = goodness
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