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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I can get just about anything delivered to my door, sometimes within a couple hours. And I can stream a couple movies while I wait. Bezos can buy an island for all I care.
My wife and I have had this discussion a thousand times. I tell her, "There is not way a person can make a billion dollars without someone else suffering and/or being taken advantage of." She, on the other hand, being of the eternally optimistic, positive in outlook, and forgiving type (with rare exceptions- she loathes Trump!) seems to think is is possible to be a good, decent- altruistic even- billionaire. After almost 20 years, I'm thinking there is no way in hell she will ever convince me of that!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Personally, I prefer a flat tax vs. some arbitrary group deciding what at what dollar level increased taxes are justified. I'm not all that familiar with tax terminology so perhaps "flat" is incorrectly used, but my hope is that all pay the same percentage - perhaps with more give for those with lower income.
By the way, I don't think $6000 a month is ridiculous.
Sounds like it's similar to retail taxes but already built into prices?
As long as the system isn't misused (yeah right). I mean, what about profit mark-ups? And who would ensure the "added value" is actually worth X amount?
I suppose any system can be manipulated, as I also imagine many tax lawyers pull their hair out over codes and laws and evasion.
Yeah, I imagine pretty much any system can or will be abused. I get the feeling that manipulation the tax with VAT might be harder to do. Here's a good brief description of how VAT works:
what country does not have VAT? if it is what I think it is? We have 25% as default
The value added tax (mervärdesskatt or moms) rate in Sweden is 25%, with exceptions for food and services like hotel room rental fees (12%), and for sales of publications, admission ticketsto cultural events and travel within Sweden (6%).[3]
Is there a duscussion to not have a VAT system at all?
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All wealth belongs properly to labor. The accumulation of capital relies fundamentally upon exploitation (Buffett is actually a great example: his “honest” fortune derives almost entirely from “investment”).
I can get just about anything delivered to my door, sometimes within a couple hours. And I can stream a couple movies while I wait. Bezos can buy an island for all I care.
And his warehouse workers can go fuck themselves, eh?
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All wealth belongs properly to labor. The accumulation of capital relies fundamentally upon exploitation (Buffett is actually a great example: his “honest” fortune derives almost entirely from “investment”).
All wealth belongs properly to labor. The accumulation of capital relies fundamentally upon exploitation (Buffett is actually a great example: his “honest” fortune derives almost entirely from “investment”).
I can get just about anything delivered to my door, sometimes within a couple hours. And I can stream a couple movies while I wait. Bezos can buy an island for all I care.
And his warehouse workers can go fuck themselves, eh?
No, they're paid a wage for their work. One of my first jobs was with a large multinational company. The CEO made piles of money and I had a decent salary and benefits. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.
All wealth belongs properly to labor. The accumulation of capital relies fundamentally upon exploitation (Buffett is actually a great example: his “honest” fortune derives almost entirely from “investment”).
What's the proper wage rate for a robot?
Those Boston Dynamics robots are going to seize the means of production whether we like it or not
All wealth belongs properly to labor. The accumulation of capital relies fundamentally upon exploitation (Buffett is actually a great example: his “honest” fortune derives almost entirely from “investment”).
What's the proper wage rate for a robot?
Who said anything about wages?
Oh right, you're a real communist. Okay, so the wealth goes to the statist government and then is redistributed to the robots who did all the work. Got it. I love a great 18th century agrarian economic philosophy at work in the modern age.
I can get just about anything delivered to my door, sometimes within a couple hours. And I can stream a couple movies while I wait. Bezos can buy an island for all I care.
And his warehouse workers can go fuck themselves, eh?
You put zero value in the idea and the work that went into starting the factory. If one received zero for such things, what's the point of having an idea, and how do humans advance? Again, you can look at Soviet era technological advancements compared to the US. We don't need theories when we have results.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I reckon a roughly 25% tax on salarys and then an extra 20% on everything above 5-6000 a month is resonable.
I dont see a problem initself that people make money
My wife and I have had this discussion a thousand times. I tell her, "There is not way a person can make a billion dollars without someone else suffering and/or being taken advantage of." She, on the other hand, being of the eternally optimistic, positive in outlook, and forgiving type (with rare exceptions- she loathes Trump!) seems to think is is possible to be a good, decent- altruistic even- billionaire. After almost 20 years, I'm thinking there is no way in hell she will ever convince me of that!
Personally, I prefer a flat tax vs. some arbitrary group deciding what at what dollar level increased taxes are justified. I'm not all that familiar with tax terminology so perhaps "flat" is incorrectly used, but my hope is that all pay the same percentage - perhaps with more give for those with lower income.
By the way, I don't think $6000 a month is ridiculous.
As long as the system isn't misused (yeah right). I mean, what about profit mark-ups? And who would ensure the "added value" is actually worth X amount?
I suppose any system can be manipulated, as I also imagine many tax lawyers pull their hair out over codes and laws and evasion.
The value added tax (mervärdesskatt or moms) rate in Sweden is 25%, with exceptions for food and services like hotel room rental fees (12%), and for sales of publications, admission ticketsto cultural events and travel within Sweden (6%).[3]
Is there a duscussion to not have a VAT system at all?
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Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022