The Democratic Presidential Debates

mrussel1

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig

Must say I'm a little saddened by this turn in this thread. 

You turned it this way. And video isn’t insulting to trans people. It’s a good satire of the insanity of men who transition to women competing against regular women in athletic competitions. 

"Men who transition to women competing against regular women." We have a winner for the thread's most anti-trans statement! 

I was waiting for that response. Like clockwork, I knew you’d have a problem with “regular” there. Sorry I don’t know the woke term for a female that’s born female and stays female. So I went with regular. 

A transwoman should complete in sports with the men. Her physical dynamics are that if a man’s, and she could hurt the “regular” women. (What’s the gender term you want there that won’t offend you?)

You remind me of my uncle: "well, when I was growing up we just called them [n-words]; how am I supposed to keep up with what they want to be called?" 

Typical. Even when I try to ask what term I can use instead of “regular” so that I can better myself and not be a bigot towards the LGBTQ community, I’m likened to a racist uncle. Oh well, I tried. 

No, you didn't try. You're on the fucking internet. Look it up yourself before you say something offensive. You did not ask what term to use; you mocked the fact that there is a "woke" term. And in the process, you further diminished trans women by suggesting they are not "born female." Don't now try to play like you really care about the words you should use. 

Give it a fucking rest.   

Go fuck yourself. Tell the people who are victims of anti-trans violence to give it a rest. https://www.hrc.org/resources/a-national-epidemic-fatal-anti-trans-violence-in-the-united-states-in-2019

It was nice knowing you around here for a day. 

ecdanc

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, you bigot. 

You're officially over the line

I'm sure I'm over the line according to the moderators, but what Ledbetterman said is far more offensive than me someone him a bigot. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mickeyrat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Remember that Sanders loves and accept everyone - except for assholes and tax-fleeling-billionaires. 

But he's okay with tax fleeing millionaires like himself?  

I will allow that you quote me. Not feeling a bit annoyed.

What do you mean with him being a tax fleeing millionaire ?

He's a millionaire and I'm fairly certain he is paying at the tax code level required.  I've never heard him say he's paying at a marginal rate higher than required by law.  Therefore because we all know that millionaires adn billionaires are under-taxed, he must be in the same camp as them... tax fleeing. 

Emma Watson is tax-fleeing. 

Bernie Sanders pays what he should pay. Or are there raports of him tax-loopholeing his way through life?

Emma Watson is British , so UK government is the proper authority. So to cite her is a distraction and irrelevant to the discussion.

We'll find out soon enough about Bernie, but can go back to tax record releases from 16.....

what has her nationality to do with anything?

answer: as much as if you can vote in the election has to do with participating in this thread. 

zero

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig

Must say I'm a little saddened by this turn in this thread. 

You turned it this way. And video isn’t insulting to trans people. It’s a good satire of the insanity of men who transition to women competing against regular women in athletic competitions. 

"Men who transition to women competing against regular women." We have a winner for the thread's most anti-trans statement! 

I was waiting for that response. Like clockwork, I knew you’d have a problem with “regular” there. Sorry I don’t know the woke term for a female that’s born female and stays female. So I went with regular. 

A transwoman should complete in sports with the men. Her physical dynamics are that if a man’s, and she could hurt the “regular” women. (What’s the gender term you want there that won’t offend you?)

You remind me of my uncle: "well, when I was growing up we just called them [n-words]; how am I supposed to keep up with what they want to be called?" 

Typical. Even when I try to ask what term I can use instead of “regular” so that I can better myself and not be a bigot towards the LGBTQ community, I’m likened to a racist uncle. Oh well, I tried. 

No, you didn't try. You're on the fucking internet. Look it up yourself before you say something offensive. You did not ask what term to use; you mocked the fact that there is a "woke" term. And in the process, you further diminished trans women by suggesting they are not "born female." Don't now try to play like you really care about the words you should use. 

Give it a fucking rest.   

Go fuck yourself. Tell the people who are victims of anti-trans violence to give it a rest. https://www.hrc.org/resources/a-national-epidemic-fatal-anti-trans-violence-in-the-united-states-in-2019

It was nice knowing you around here for a day. 

guess we're gonna need a new dem candidate thread soon. 

ecdanc

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig

Must say I'm a little saddened by this turn in this thread. 

You turned it this way. And video isn’t insulting to trans people. It’s a good satire of the insanity of men who transition to women competing against regular women in athletic competitions. 

"Men who transition to women competing against regular women." We have a winner for the thread's most anti-trans statement! 

I was waiting for that response. Like clockwork, I knew you’d have a problem with “regular” there. Sorry I don’t know the woke term for a female that’s born female and stays female. So I went with regular. 

A transwoman should complete in sports with the men. Her physical dynamics are that if a man’s, and she could hurt the “regular” women. (What’s the gender term you want there that won’t offend you?)

You remind me of my uncle: "well, when I was growing up we just called them [n-words]; how am I supposed to keep up with what they want to be called?" 

Typical. Even when I try to ask what term I can use instead of “regular” so that I can better myself and not be a bigot towards the LGBTQ community, I’m likened to a racist uncle. Oh well, I tried. 

No, you didn't try. You're on the fucking internet. Look it up yourself before you say something offensive. You did not ask what term to use; you mocked the fact that there is a "woke" term. And in the process, you further diminished trans women by suggesting they are not "born female." Don't now try to play like you really care about the words you should use. 

Give it a fucking rest.   

Go fuck yourself. Tell the people who are victims of anti-trans violence to give it a rest. https://www.hrc.org/resources/a-national-epidemic-fatal-anti-trans-violence-in-the-united-states-in-2019

It was nice knowing you around here for a day. 

Thanks for the heads up--sorry if my tone got away from me. I've edited those comments to take out any personal attacks. I do wish you and others here would think about the relationship between your views on trans athletes and the broader world of anti-trans thought/action. They are connected. 

HughFreakingDillon

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, and that statement appears bigoted. 

this is funny watching the back peddling. 

Spiritual_Chaos

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ecdanc

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, and that statement appears bigoted. 

this is funny watching the back peddling. 

Seriously, for just one moment, take my abrasive personality out of the equation: do you really want to align yourself with what Ledbetterman said? You claim to support trans rights, but you take up his side here?

Ledbetterman10

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said: 

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, you bigot. 

You're officially over the line

I'm sure I'm over the line according to the moderators, but what Ledbetterman said is far more offensive than me calling him a bigot. 

If a transwoman and a woman who was born a woman were walking down the street, I’d say that’s two women walking down the street. I have no issue at all with social norm of a transwoman being a woman. At all. Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. 

But in a FIGHT, it’s different  The physical make up of a man and a woman is different. And a man that transitions to being a woman still has that physical make up in bone density, etc. 

ecdanc

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said: 

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, you bigot. 

You're officially over the line

I'm sure I'm over the line according to the moderators, but what Ledbetterman said is far more offensive than me calling him a bigot. 

If a transwoman and a woman who was born a woman were walking down the street, I’d say that’s two women walking down the street. I have no issue at all with social norm of a transwoman being a woman. At all. Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. 

But in a FIGHT, it’s different  The physical make up of a man and a woman is different. And a man that transitions to being a woman still has that physical make up in bone density, etc. 

If you ever find yourself saying "I believe a trans woman is a woman except in this case/instance/moment..." then you don't accept her as a woman. 

Ledbetterman10

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said: 

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, you bigot. 

You're officially over the line

I'm sure I'm over the line according to the moderators, but what Ledbetterman said is far more offensive than me calling him a bigot. 

If a transwoman and a woman who was born a woman were walking down the street, I’d say that’s two women walking down the street. I have no issue at all with social norm of a transwoman being a woman. At all. Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. 

But in a FIGHT, it’s different  The physical make up of a man and a woman is different. And a man that transitions to being a woman still has that physical make up in bone density, etc. 

If you ever find yourself saying "I believe a trans woman is a woman except in this case/instance/moment..." then you don't accept her as a woman. 

Well then that does it. I guess I’m transphobic. God dammit. 

HughFreakingDillon

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, and that statement appears bigoted. 

this is funny watching the back peddling. 

Seriously, for just one moment, take my abrasive personality out of the equation: do you really want to align yourself with what Ledbetterman said? You claim to support trans rights, but you take up his side here?

i don't take 'sides'. i align myself with common sense. the terms he used were ignorant at worst, not even close to bigoted. there is a major difference there. you simply can't expect everyone to accept and change their verbiage overnight. it just doesn't work that way, and screaming at someone who doesn't know does more harm to any given cause than good. 

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said: 

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, you bigot. 

You're officially over the line

I'm sure I'm over the line according to the moderators, but what Ledbetterman said is far more offensive than me calling him a bigot. 

If a transwoman and a woman who was born a woman were walking down the street, I’d say that’s two women walking down the street. I have no issue at all with social norm of a transwoman being a woman. At all. Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. 

But in a FIGHT, it’s different  The physical make up of a man and a woman is different. And a man that transitions to being a woman still has that physical make up in bone density, etc. 

If you ever find yourself saying "I believe a trans woman is a woman except in this case/instance/moment..." then you don't accept her as a woman. 

Well then that does it. I guess I’m transphobic. God dammit. 

See... you're scared of people and didn't even know it.  Learn something new everyday 

Spiritual_Chaos

So... anyone excited about Yang?

ecdanc

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, and that statement appears bigoted. 

this is funny watching the back peddling. 

Seriously, for just one moment, take my abrasive personality out of the equation: do you really want to align yourself with what Ledbetterman said? You claim to support trans rights, but you take up his side here?

i don't take 'sides'. i align myself with common sense. the terms he used were ignorant at worst, not even close to bigoted. there is a major difference there. you simply can't expect everyone to accept and change their verbiage overnight. it just doesn't work that way, and screaming at someone who doesn't know does more harm to any given cause than good. 

He directly referred to a trans woman as a man. That is not verbiage; that is a statement about what a trans woman IS. I hope you really are an ally in the real world, but you aren't showing it here. 

ecdanc

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said: 

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, you bigot. 

You're officially over the line

I'm sure I'm over the line according to the moderators, but what Ledbetterman said is far more offensive than me calling him a bigot. 

If a transwoman and a woman who was born a woman were walking down the street, I’d say that’s two women walking down the street. I have no issue at all with social norm of a transwoman being a woman. At all. Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. 

But in a FIGHT, it’s different  The physical make up of a man and a woman is different. And a man that transitions to being a woman still has that physical make up in bone density, etc. 

If you ever find yourself saying "I believe a trans woman is a woman except in this case/instance/moment..." then you don't accept her as a woman. 

Well then that does it. I guess I’m transphobic. God dammit. 

I hope there comes a day during your lifetime when the statements you're making here have the same resonance as the racist, sexist, etc. comments that haunt others' pasts. 

rustneversleeps

argue

HughFreakingDillon

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, and that statement appears bigoted. 

this is funny watching the back peddling. 

Seriously, for just one moment, take my abrasive personality out of the equation: do you really want to align yourself with what Ledbetterman said? You claim to support trans rights, but you take up his side here?

i don't take 'sides'. i align myself with common sense. the terms he used were ignorant at worst, not even close to bigoted. there is a major difference there. you simply can't expect everyone to accept and change their verbiage overnight. it just doesn't work that way, and screaming at someone who doesn't know does more harm to any given cause than good. 

He directly referred to a trans woman as a man. That is not verbiage; that is a statement about what a trans woman IS. I hope you really are an ally in the real world, but you aren't showing it here. 

one of my more favourite quotes of the last few years: "just because you're outraged, doesn't make you right". 

Ledbetterman10

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said: 

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, you bigot. 

You're officially over the line

I'm sure I'm over the line according to the moderators, but what Ledbetterman said is far more offensive than me calling him a bigot. 

If a transwoman and a woman who was born a woman were walking down the street, I’d say that’s two women walking down the street. I have no issue at all with social norm of a transwoman being a woman. At all. Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. 

But in a FIGHT, it’s different  The physical make up of a man and a woman is different. And a man that transitions to being a woman still has that physical make up in bone density, etc. 

If you ever find yourself saying "I believe a trans woman is a woman except in this case/instance/moment..." then you don't accept her as a woman. 

Well then that does it. I guess I’m transphobic. God dammit. 

See... you're scared of people and didn't even know it.  Learn something new everyday 

It's typical in these type of arguments. I can't be for mostly for LGBTQ rights, but be against the specific instance of transwomen competing against women in sports. That'd be straying from the herd. 

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ecdanc said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

the ”other women will be hurt” is a really weird argument to fall back on. 

Trans women compete in MMA. That’s a man fighting a woman. That’s dangerous and they can get hurt. 

Not it isn't, and that statement appears bigoted. 

this is funny watching the back peddling. 

Seriously, for just one moment, take my abrasive personality out of the equation: do you really want to align yourself with what Ledbetterman said? You claim to support trans rights, but you take up his side here?

i don't take 'sides'. i align myself with common sense. the terms he used were ignorant at worst, not even close to bigoted. there is a major difference there. you simply can't expect everyone to accept and change their verbiage overnight. it just doesn't work that way, and screaming at someone who doesn't know does more harm to any given cause than good. 

He directly referred to a trans woman as a man. That is not verbiage; that is a statement about what a trans woman IS. I hope you really are an ally in the real world, but you aren't showing it here. 

one of my more favourite quotes of the last few years: "just because you're outraged, doesn't make you right". 

Was it birther-Rogan who said it?