read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
Boom.
Put another way, they've chosen to be pragmatic and attack the big, immediate, overwhelming danger first. Some because they are pragmatic and centrist but others because they're willing to compromise. Bernie's team? They're letting great be the enemy of good.* Biden was probably about my 5th choice (and Bernie was probably about my third). And I'm compromising and being pragmatic. And I feel fine about it.
*even if Biden's not good. They're letting a revolution be the enemy of preserving the Republic.
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read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
well, at least you're starting to think
Starting to think it might be a good idea to vote Trump so I can enjoy the spectacle of self righteous Dems wringing their hands and crying about what went wrong for 4 more years.
Everything that's is wrong with tRUmp supporters in one succinct sentence. More interested in screwing over everyone else, than actually making the world a better place. No concept of obligation to society or personal responsibility.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.
Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
well, at least you're starting to think
Starting to think it might be a good idea to vote Trump so I can enjoy the spectacle of self righteous Dems wringing their hands and crying about what went wrong for 4 more years.
Everything that's is wrong with tRUmp supporters in one succinct sentence. More interested in screwing over everyone else, than actually making the world a better place. No concept of obligation to society or personal responsibility.
Have fun with your righteous indignation and tears
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.
Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.
I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
well, at least you're starting to think
Starting to think it might be a good idea to vote Trump so I can enjoy the spectacle of self righteous Dems wringing their hands and crying about what went wrong for 4 more years.
Everything that's is wrong with tRUmp supporters in one succinct sentence. More interested in screwing over everyone else, than actually making the world a better place. No concept of obligation to society or personal responsibility.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
it is smart politics but did anyone make those Klob and Pete voters from migrating to Biden? It's abundantly clear that he was their 2nd or 3rd choice, not Sanders. It could have easily rocketed Sanders to victory had he been the #2 of those candidates' voters.
Sure, I'm fine with all that. But saying "The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process" is a bit of fact vs truth. The people were greatly helped along in making that call. Let's not pretend this was some organic thing that happened on its own. Had Biden racked up those Super Tuesday victories with Pete and Amy still in the race, that would be one thing. But that isn't what happened.
Hmm, maybe on choosing Biden could be a stretch if you make the argument that had Biden and Pete dropped, everyone would have coalesced around Amy, or some other democratic, and Biden was just the fortunate beneficiary. But I have been saying since the beginning that you had to add the moderates up to see where the party really stood. That Bernie was a beneficiary of the fractured situation, and that played out exactly as such. He has not gained any votes since the drop out happened. He hit his ceiling.
I agree with you on this point. I still think it is dangerous to discount Bernie and all of his supporters, that is a lot of votes. Some concessions definitely need to be made to bring the majority of berniebros over to Biden, I’m sure there are phone calls being made and meetings set up for this. Bernie’s last few public appearances seem to make the case that he is having his farewell tour and ready to support Biden. If no concessions are made I don’t think a majority of Bernie or busters will come over to Biden no matter how shamed they get, or how many times they get proved wrong.
I thought Joe did a good job of setting that stage in his speech Tuesday night. He understands that we can't alienate those voters.
No more snide personal comments at each other, ok? Stick to the topic and not each other. Thank you. Posting Guidelines are stickied on Porch if you need a reminder.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
Let's not forget the GOP 2016 hesitation is the only reason trump is president.
He was barely at 35% and the "normal" republicans combined would have beaten him by 30 points. At the time most GOP pundits were saying for months dont worry when its 1 on 1 we will beat trump. That never happened.
Having the major political parties nominate an extremist because there are fewer extremist candidates is dangerous.
I'm hoping most see trump and the toxic divisiveness as proof. Thankfully the dems acted quickly as to not give sanders this unfair advantage.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
Let's not forget the GOP 2016 hesitation is the only reason trump is president.
He was barely at 35% and the "normal" republicans combined would have beaten him by 30 points. At the time most GOP pundits were saying for months dont worry when its 1 on 1 we will beat trump. That never happened.
Having the major political parties nominate someone because there are fewer extremist candidates is dangerous.
I'm hoping most see trump and the toxic divisiveness as proof. Thankfully the dems acted quickly as to not give sanders this unfair advantage.
I don't disagree, but if the goal is to bring the party together, then let's dispense with the idea that this was of the people, by the people. This was orchestrated. Maybe for the best, but orchestrated nonetheless.
read this whole thread. especially bernie supporters.
Because shaming people works....🤷♂️
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
Did you not see where I said I will be voting for Biden or is your head way up in there admiring your own brand?
See? Shaming people does work.
That was pre shaming. Brought on by my view that beating Trump is the most important thing at this point. If the strategy is to shame people into supporting Biden I think Trump has already won. In fact for some people shaming may have the opposite effect. Why not give people positive reasons to support Biden outside of the tired “He’s not Trump” argument. Joe has a long way to go to unify the left before November. At least Bernie staying in the race will give Biden some debate practice.
Lets not forget lesser of two evils voting has gotten us to this point. For the R side Trump isn’t the lesser of two evils he is straight up their guy. I would prefer that Biden and co make the case that he is our guy and not just the best non Trump option we are gonna get.
Focus. Stay on message. Don't get distracted by shiny objects and whataboutism.
This election is a referendum on Trump.
It's a referendum on Trump's policy.
It's a referendum on Trump's nepotism.
It's referendum on Trump's corruption.
What an inspiring message
Get it out now. Biden will still need your vote in November. You'll have to get over yourself before then.
I'm starting to think you are a bot with intentions of actually turning people away from voting D
I'll say it a different way. The 50% of the country who dislike Trump and are generally members of the Democratic party were given a choice. Do we want to make this election about Trump or about democratic socialistic ideals. The people spoke clear and unequivocally and said they want to make it about Trump. And they decided Biden was the man to lead that fight. Respect the process.
I'm going to vote for Biden in the fall, but this is a bit of a spin on what happened. Biden won South Carolina and the party decided he was the choice. Pete and Amy getting out at the same time and endorsing him was smart politics, but it was also orchestrated. That happened before Super Tuesday, not after.
Let's not forget the GOP 2016 hesitation is the only reason trump is president.
He was barely at 35% and the "normal" republicans combined would have beaten him by 30 points. At the time most GOP pundits were saying for months dont worry when its 1 on 1 we will beat trump. That never happened.
Having the major political parties nominate someone because there are fewer extremist candidates is dangerous.
I'm hoping most see trump and the toxic divisiveness as proof. Thankfully the dems acted quickly as to not give sanders this unfair advantage.
I don't disagree, but if the goal is to bring the party together, then let's dispense with the idea that this was of the people, by the people. This was orchestrated. Maybe for the best, but orchestrated nonetheless.
Why didn't/couldn't Amy and Pete's supporters vote for Bernie? How was that "orchestrated?" If Hillary ran a bad campaign, putin on the ritz's interference not withstanding, Bernie has run a worse one.
^I'm sorry. How is that brilliant? He made one point, that there wasn't a big enough distinction between Kerry and Bush. Unfortunately for Jake, that's not true about Trump and Biden. Sure you could argue there's a bigger POLICY difference between Sanders and Trump, but that doesn't mean there isn't a distinction between Trump and Biden. I think that is 100% false. They are completely different men with completely different demeanors, bedside manners, and policies.
Biden speaking right now and reminding everyone what a real President sounds like...
He’s live on MSNBC
Situation sucks...but this kind of stuff helps him. People want to be reassured in times like these. Trump is incapable of doing that. Presents a great contrast for Biden.
This virus is going to get worse and it’s going to really hurt Trump politically. I thought around New Years that he couldn’t lose. But with this mishandled pandemic response, I think most reasonable undecided voters will have to think that Biden or Sanders would handle it better.
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This virus is going to get worse and it’s going to really hurt Trump politically. I thought around New Years that he couldn’t lose. But with this mishandled pandemic response, I think most reasonable undecided voters will have to think that Biden or Sanders would handle it better.
We had our executive pandemic call a little while ago. My CEO (who is a Republican and hasn't said much about Trump for three years) was bitching up a storm about how idiotic he came across last night.
This virus is going to get worse and it’s going to really hurt Trump politically. I thought around New Years that he couldn’t lose. But with this mishandled pandemic response, I think most reasonable undecided voters will have to think that Biden or Sanders would handle it better.
We had our executive pandemic call a little while ago. My CEO (who is a Republican and hasn't said much about Trump for three years) was bitching up a storm about how idiotic he came across last night.
Your CEO sounds like the exact type of Republican that Biden is looking to court. And Biden is the exact type of Democrat that a Trump-hating Republican would be willing to vote for.
This virus is going to get worse and it’s going to really hurt Trump politically. I thought around New Years that he couldn’t lose. But with this mishandled pandemic response, I think most reasonable undecided voters will have to think that Biden or Sanders would handle it better.
We had our executive pandemic call a little while ago. My CEO (who is a Republican and hasn't said much about Trump for three years) was bitching up a storm about how idiotic he came across last night.
Your CEO sounds like the exact type of Republican that Biden is looking to court. And Biden is the exact type of Democrat that a Trump-hating Republican would be willing to vote for.
Well we're in finance and he's from Delaware so I bet he'd be conflicted either way. One of our mutual friends is neighbors with Biden, so he has good will in my company already. Joe is adored by his state constituents, that's for sure. I would see him on trains from DC to Wilmington once in a while. That's not a myth, he did that, and he was very friendly.
And if we weren't all collectively fixated on Covid19, that might've helped him bounce back, but it seems to be a hugely unimportant topic when the two are put side-by-side.
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And if we weren't all collectively fixated on Covid19, that might've helped him bounce back, but it seems to be a hugely unimportant topic when the two are put side-by-side.
No, it wouldn't have helped. He won the state last Tuesday effectively, and it was baked into the narrative already.
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Put another way, they've chosen to be pragmatic and attack the big, immediate, overwhelming danger first. Some because they are pragmatic and centrist but others because they're willing to compromise. Bernie's team? They're letting great be the enemy of good.* Biden was probably about my 5th choice (and Bernie was probably about my third). And I'm compromising and being pragmatic. And I feel fine about it.
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Let's not forget the GOP 2016 hesitation is the only reason trump is president.
He was barely at 35% and the "normal" republicans combined would have beaten him by 30 points. At the time most GOP pundits were saying for months dont worry when its 1 on 1 we will beat trump. That never happened.
Having the major political parties nominate an extremist because there are fewer extremist candidates is dangerous.
I'm hoping most see trump and the toxic divisiveness as proof. Thankfully the dems acted quickly as to not give sanders this unfair advantage.
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