The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,193
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m so glad more and more people are realizing sanders is nothing but pure bs.  
    And Trump is less "pure bs" right?
    Correct
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited February 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m so glad more and more people are realizing sanders is nothing but pure bs.  
    And Trump is less "pure bs" right?
    Correct
    And still the person @mrussel1 and @cincybearcat and @mickeyrat feel the need to oppose and argue against is me.

    Interesting.

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    There was an interview with Steyer after the ABC debate. He comes of as very rational. If his persona and what he says is true. And him Bernie Bro-ing every chance he can even in a debate is endearing. 

    Bernie giving it back to Steyer <3

    https://youtu.be/7FC94vVG2mU

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:

    Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 
    Like this?



    Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m so glad more and more people are realizing sanders is nothing but pure bs.  
    And Trump is less "pure bs" right?
    Correct
    You’ve got the hot takes. 
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:

    And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 
    This gay rock is the straw that broke the camel’s back?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 
    Like this?



    Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P
    You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited February 2020
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m so glad more and more people are realizing sanders is nothing but pure bs.  
    And Trump is less "pure bs" right?
    Correct
    You’ve got the hot takes. 
    If you are on of those collecting hot takes, you should read through the thread. You will get hot takes about if McDonalds workers should have livable wages to if working people should have the legal right to vacation.

    I've got a pokédex full of hot takes from just being on this board.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m so glad more and more people are realizing sanders is nothing but pure bs.  
    And Trump is less "pure bs" right?
    Correct
    You’ve got the hot takes. 
    If you are on of those collecting hot takes, you should read through the thread. You will get hot takes about if McDonalds workers should have livable wages to if working people should have the legal right to vacation.

    I've got a pokédex full of hot takes from just being on this board.
    Time for a beer!
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 
    Like this?



    Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P
    You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 
    Awesome. You got the full rule book for what’s out of bounds and what isn’t?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 
    Like this?



    Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P
    You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 
    Awesome. You got the full rule book for what’s out of bounds and what isn’t?
    Yeah I got my opinion, which is what I've been sharing the whole time.  Unlike some on this board, I don't believe something subjective like this is infallible.  I also don't think Biden, Pete, Amy or any of them are immune from crossing the line, in my opinion.  My criticism with Bernie is that it's his constant and continuous method.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    mrussel1 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
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    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:

    And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 
    Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:


    I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

    still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 
    He said he did not say it. 

    Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

    There you go.

    And look into it. I check back tomorrow.
    #believewomen
    Why are you mocking a movement to make... eh... what point exactly?
    I'm mocking your hypocrisy and your re-posting of Bernie Bros bullshit that influences no one here.  Stop wasting your time.  If you want to have a conversation, then have one like a normal humanoid.  If you're going to post bullshit, then expect to be mocked in return.  It's a simple calculus.  
    What is my hypocrisy?
    Evidently you don't actually believe women, since you think Warren's lying.  I'm going with Warren on this one, particularly since Sanders said on stage "can we talk about this after"?  He wasn't upset,, she was because he called her a liar on tv.  Considering the candidate sets the tone for the supporters, and Bernie's supporters are notoriously racist, sexist bullies, it seems like the preponderance of the evidence points to Bernie having said it.  I believe women, you don't.  
    Again, this just shows that you 1) do not understand the movement #believewomen or 2) you are mocking the movement
    I'm pretty sure this shows that I'm mocking you.  
    Pretty certain this will get you some LeFou-cheering from the usual suspects. Maybe that is why you post this nonsense.

    I believe you are just uneducated. Because you never answered in what way I am a hypocrite?
    I finished the 8th grade successfully, thank you very much.  One day I'll be as learned as you...or not. And it's le fou.  Or maybe we should put this whole conversation en le four.  

    edit - I'm getting rusty.. les fou since it's the all the suspects. 
    No, it's LeFou



    Trying to put me down but failing once again?

    So, in what way am I a Hypocrite? Or "feeling tounge-tied?" like Freddy says in The Dream Warriors.
    Oh well, le fou is French for idiot.  I didn't know it was a Disney character.  
    I already explained your hypocrisy.  Maybe if you ask again I'll think of a different example. 
    You have not explained my alleged hypocrisy.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 
    Like this?



    Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P
    You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 

    I agree. 

    That was exchange in the debate brought up some serious questions for me.  I liked what Pete said about how times have changed and the whole notion of needing someone with a fresh approach.  This is one of the things I like about Yang the most- he is very in touch with the changing world and has innovative solutions to the looming difficulties we will have in dealing with those changes effectively.  I like that about Pete too.  But I also like Biden's response where he talked about the value of experience and mentioned some of the successes he has been a part of.  Oh to have a candidate that has both a fresh, innovative approach, and enough experience to give voters confidence!  I'm wondering if Amy Klobuchar might fit that way.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 
    Like this?



    Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P
    You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 
    He is mocking Pete. To damage this opponent. Did you even watch the ad? And what has Petes "experience level" to do with firing black officers and firemen? Please move your goalposts all the way to an answer on that.

    Berne is shining a light on that Billionaires are cozying up to some candidates like Biden and Pete and he thinks that is not a good thing. Whether it's Pete, Biden or anyone in the race. He would go after Yang for the same thing.

    But sure, try to skew it to try to not come off as a hypocrite. Notice me saying "try" twice.

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    mrussel1 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:

    And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 
    Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:


    I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

    still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 
    He said he did not say it. 

    Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

    There you go.

    And look into it. I check back tomorrow.
    #believewomen
    Why are you mocking a movement to make... eh... what point exactly?
    I'm mocking your hypocrisy and your re-posting of Bernie Bros bullshit that influences no one here.  Stop wasting your time.  If you want to have a conversation, then have one like a normal humanoid.  If you're going to post bullshit, then expect to be mocked in return.  It's a simple calculus.  
    What is my hypocrisy?
    Evidently you don't actually believe women, since you think Warren's lying.  I'm going with Warren on this one, particularly since Sanders said on stage "can we talk about this after"?  He wasn't upset,, she was because he called her a liar on tv.  Considering the candidate sets the tone for the supporters, and Bernie's supporters are notoriously racist, sexist bullies, it seems like the preponderance of the evidence points to Bernie having said it.  I believe women, you don't.  
    Again, this just shows that you 1) do not understand the movement #believewomen or 2) you are mocking the movement
    I'm pretty sure this shows that I'm mocking you.  
    Pretty certain this will get you some LeFou-cheering from the usual suspects. Maybe that is why you post this nonsense.

    I believe you are just uneducated. Because you never answered in what way I am a hypocrite?
    I finished the 8th grade successfully, thank you very much.  One day I'll be as learned as you...or not. And it's le fou.  Or maybe we should put this whole conversation en le four.  

    edit - I'm getting rusty.. les fou since it's the all the suspects. 
    No, it's LeFou



    Trying to put me down but failing once again?

    So, in what way am I a Hypocrite? Or "feeling tounge-tied?" like Freddy says in The Dream Warriors.
    Oh well, le fou is French for idiot.  I didn't know it was a Disney character.  
    I already explained your hypocrisy.  Maybe if you ask again I'll think of a different example. 
    You have not explained my alleged hypocrisy.
    Go back and read it.  You think Warren is a liar when she declared that a sexist comment was made by Bernie.  I believe Warren that Bernie said what he said.  So I'll retract... maybe you're not a hypocrite, maybe you are just being sexist here.  I'm not sure, either way the fact remains that I believe Warren, who is a woman, and you think she's lying.  And both Bernie's body language and Liz's on the stage told me everything I need to know, along with the hot mic.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 
    Like this?



    Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P
    You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 
    He is mocking Pete. To damage this opponent. Did you even watch the ad? And what has Petes "experience level" to do with firing black officers and firemen? Please move your goalposts all the way to an answer on that.

    Berne is shining a light on that Billionaires are cozying up to some candidates like Biden and Pete and he thinks that is not a good thing. For Pete, Biden or anyone in the race.

    But sure, try to skew it to try to not come off as a hypocrite. Notice me saying "try" twice.

    I'm sorry you don't understand the nuances of American politicking.  Honestly, I'm impressed on how much you do know, as a Swede, but this fine line might be culturally too specific.  
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:

    And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 
    Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:


    I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

    still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 
    He said he did not say it. 

    Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

    There you go.

    And look into it. I check back tomorrow.
    #believewomen
    Gtfo. 

    “So what are people like Tanden, Doyle, and Donegan really saying when they use language previously reserved for victims of sexual abuse and harassment in this context? They're certainly not saying to believe and support sexual assault victims. The concept of womanhood has become abstracted for them, the meaning of the language has been lost. They're actually telling us what type of woman we should believe and in what context, which is exactly what "believe women" and similar language is meant to do away with.

    They've turned "believe women" and similar phrases into a caricature of what they were meant to be.”


    www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/15/politics-believing-women%3famp

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:

    And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 
    Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:


    I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

    still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 
    He said he did not say it. 

    Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

    There you go.

    And look into it. I check back tomorrow.
    #believewomen
    Gtfo. 

    “So what are people like Tanden, Doyle, and Donegan really saying when they use language previously reserved for victims of sexual abuse and harassment in this context? They're certainly not saying to believe and support sexual assault victims. The concept of womanhood has become abstracted for them, the meaning of the language has been lost. They're actually telling us what type of woman we should believe and in what context, which is exactly what "believe women" and similar language is meant to do away with.

    They've turned "believe women" and similar phrases into a caricature of what they were meant to be.”


    www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/15/politics-believing-women%3famp

    Bernie is a sexist.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 
    Like this?



    Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P
    You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 
    He is mocking Pete. To damage this opponent. Did you even watch the ad? And what has Petes "experience level" to do with firing black officers and firemen? Please move your goalposts all the way to an answer on that.

    Berne is shining a light on that Billionaires are cozying up to some candidates like Biden and Pete and he thinks that is not a good thing. For Pete, Biden or anyone in the race.

    But sure, try to skew it to try to not come off as a hypocrite. Notice me saying "try" twice.

    I'm sorry you don't understand the nuances of American politicking.  Honestly, I'm impressed on how much you do know, as a Swede, but this fine line might be culturally too specific.  
    Oh look, you couldn't argue against it so instead you went in on the "you are not even american"-dig. Are you not also gonna say that I am not eligible to vote in the US election so I shouldn't even be here? Or are you waiting for LeFou to mention it in a catchy song named after you?

    Haha. But I take it that you are a hypocrite then. It's okey.  We can move on. Your attack against Bernie in relations to your favorite(s) went sour in less than a day.
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    ecdanc said:

    And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 
    Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:


    I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

    still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 
    He said he did not say it. 

    Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

    There you go.

    And look into it. I check back tomorrow.
    #believewomen
    Gtfo. 

    “So what are people like Tanden, Doyle, and Donegan really saying when they use language previously reserved for victims of sexual abuse and harassment in this context? They're certainly not saying to believe and support sexual assault victims. The concept of womanhood has become abstracted for them, the meaning of the language has been lost. They're actually telling us what type of woman we should believe and in what context, which is exactly what "believe women" and similar language is meant to do away with.

    They've turned "believe women" and similar phrases into a caricature of what they were meant to be.”


    www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/15/politics-believing-women%3famp

    Bernie is a sexist.  
    He might well be, but he’s not the one posting sexist shit here. 

  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 
    Like this?



    Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P
    You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 
    He is mocking Pete. To damage this opponent. Did you even watch the ad? And what has Petes "experience level" to do with firing black officers and firemen? Please move your goalposts all the way to an answer on that.

    Berne is shining a light on that Billionaires are cozying up to some candidates like Biden and Pete and he thinks that is not a good thing. For Pete, Biden or anyone in the race.

    But sure, try to skew it to try to not come off as a hypocrite. Notice me saying "try" twice.

    I'm sorry you don't understand the nuances of American politicking.  Honestly, I'm impressed on how much you do know, as a Swede, but this fine line might be culturally too specific.  
    I’m not Swedish and I think you’re being a hypocrite. 
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