The Democratic Presidential Debates

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 

Like this?

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1226189752598171648?s=20

Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P

You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 

He is mocking Pete. To damage this opponent. Did you even watch the ad? And what has Petes "experience level" to do with firing black officers and firemen? Please move your goalposts all the way to an answer on that.

Berne is shining a light on that Billionaires are cozying up to some candidates like Biden and Pete and he thinks that is not a good thing. For Pete, Biden or anyone in the race.

But sure, try to skew it to try to not come off as a hypocrite. Notice me saying "try" twice.

I'm sorry you don't understand the nuances of American politicking.  Honestly, I'm impressed on how much you do know, as a Swede, but this fine line might be culturally too specific.  

Oh look, you couldn't argue against it so instead you went in on the "you are not even american"-dig. Are you not also gonna say that I am not eligible to vote in the US election so I shouldn't even be here? Or are you waiting for LeFou to mention it in a catchy song named after you?

Haha. But I take it that you are a hypocrite then. It's okey.  We can move on. Your opinion on Bernie went sour in less than a day.

I've tried to explain the nuances.  Brian gets it.  I'm sure plenty others here understand the line to walk.  If you don't understand it, I'm chalking it up to you not being American culturally, which is a compliment compared to the other alternative.  

mrussel1

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 

Like this?

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1226189752598171648?s=20

Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P

You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 

He is mocking Pete. To damage this opponent. Did you even watch the ad? And what has Petes "experience level" to do with firing black officers and firemen? Please move your goalposts all the way to an answer on that.

Berne is shining a light on that Billionaires are cozying up to some candidates like Biden and Pete and he thinks that is not a good thing. For Pete, Biden or anyone in the race.

But sure, try to skew it to try to not come off as a hypocrite. Notice me saying "try" twice.

I'm sorry you don't understand the nuances of American politicking.  Honestly, I'm impressed on how much you do know, as a Swede, but this fine line might be culturally too specific.  

I’m not Swedish and I think you’re being a hypocrite. 

Maybe I should care what you think...alas I don't.  

ecdanc

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Bernie seeks to damage his opponent.  You simply don't do that if you want to win in the general. 

Like this?

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1226189752598171648?s=20

Your attacks on Bernie actions in the primary sure is aging like milk :P

You really fail to comprehend my argument.  Biden is not attacking Pete's character.  He's attacking the experience level of Pete which is in bounds. 

He is mocking Pete. To damage this opponent. Did you even watch the ad? And what has Petes "experience level" to do with firing black officers and firemen? Please move your goalposts all the way to an answer on that.

Berne is shining a light on that Billionaires are cozying up to some candidates like Biden and Pete and he thinks that is not a good thing. For Pete, Biden or anyone in the race.

But sure, try to skew it to try to not come off as a hypocrite. Notice me saying "try" twice.

I'm sorry you don't understand the nuances of American politicking.  Honestly, I'm impressed on how much you do know, as a Swede, but this fine line might be culturally too specific.  

I’m not Swedish and I think you’re being a hypocrite. 

Maybe I should care what you think...alas I don't.  

I’ve noticed. You only care about the people who agree with you. I guess as ceo you can get away with that

Spiritual_Chaos

ecdanc said:

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cincybearcat said:

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ecdanc said:

And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 

Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:

I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 

He said he did not say it. 

Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

There you go.

And look into it. I check back tomorrow.

#believewomen

Gtfo. 

“So what are people like Tanden, Doyle, and Donegan really saying when they use language previously reserved for victims of sexual abuse and harassment in this context? They're certainly not saying to believe and support sexual assault victims. The concept of womanhood has become abstracted for them, the meaning of the language has been lost. They're actually telling us what type of woman we should believe and in what context, which is exactly what "believe women" and similar language is meant to do away with.

They've turned "believe women" and similar phrases into a caricature of what they were meant to be.”

www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/15/politics-believing-women%3famp

Bernie is a sexist.  

He might well be, but he’s not the one posting sexist shit here. 

Exactly.

Spiritual_Chaos

Here is Bernie... oh let me doublecheck this because I am swedish and apparently according to @mrussel1 do not know these "nuances of American politicking"  ... attacking the levels of billionaires cozying up to Pete, which is in bounds.

https://youtu.be/52qDRZGYmW8

mrussel1

Shocking that you don't post Pete's response.  You're a rube and prone to cult-like tendencies.  Six months ago, you made post after post praising Pete, and everyone rolled their eyes at you.  Now you're posting the opposite... and everyone rolls their eyes at you.  

Spiritual_Chaos

Good for Amy. I think she was one of the winners last night. Moving towards being my favorite. Yang will have to step aside.

https://twitter.com/JTHVerhovek/status/1226207402489413635?s=20

cincybearcat

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cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 

Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:

I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 

He said he did not say it. 

Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

There you go.

And look into it. I check back tomorrow.

I looked briefly and wasn’t disturbed. He seems to say that it’s 2 groups not really against each other. 1 wants safety for AA and other want safety for police officers. 

So you ok with Bernie double down on lying and calling Warren a liar in the process? It’s ok cause she a woman?

So you are defending the t-shirt then? It is just for "safety for police officers"? I just want that in print if that is the case. That is some damn Pete Pal:ing if true.

I have not seen anything conclusive on him lying at all? Even the Morning Joe people who avoids bringing up Bernie if they can and are big Pete Pals like you are even says it comes off as ludicrous he would be of that opinion.

No. And from what I read he didn’t “defend” the shirt either. 

I saw Warren reaction to Bernie. I believe her. I’m pretty surprised he doubled down. Liar.

ecdanc

Of interest to some here, perhaps: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-first-february-poll/

cincybearcat

mrussel1 said:

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cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 

Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:

I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 

He said he did not say it. 

Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

There you go.

And look into it. I check back tomorrow.

#believewomen

Why are you mocking a movement to make... eh... what point exactly?

I'm mocking your hypocrisy and your re-posting of Bernie Bros bullshit that influences no one here.  Stop wasting your time.  If you want to have a conversation, then have one like a normal humanoid.  If you're going to post bullshit, then expect to be mocked in return.  It's a simple calculus.  

What is my hypocrisy?

Evidently you don't actually believe women, since you think Warren's lying.  I'm going with Warren on this one, particularly since Sanders said on stage "can we talk about this after"?  He wasn't upset,, she was because he called her a liar on tv.  Considering the candidate sets the tone for the supporters, and Bernie's supporters are notoriously racist, sexist bullies, it seems like the preponderance of the evidence points to Bernie having said it.  I believe women, you don't.  

Again, this just shows that you 1) do not understand the movement #believewomen or 2) you are mocking the movement

I'm pretty sure this shows that I'm mocking you.  

Pretty certain this will get you some LeFou-cheering from the usual suspects. Maybe that is why you post this nonsense.

I believe you are just uneducated. Because you never answered in what way I am a hypocrite?

I finished the 8th grade successfully, thank you very much.  One day I'll be as learned as you...or not. And it's le fou.  Or maybe we should put this whole conversation en le four.  

edit - I'm getting rusty.. les fou since it's the all the suspects. 

No, it's LeFou



Trying to put me down but failing once again?

So, in what way am I a Hypocrite? Or "feeling tounge-tied?" like Freddy says in The Dream Warriors.

Oh well, le fou is French for idiot.  I didn't know it was a Disney character.  
I already explained your hypocrisy.  Maybe if you ask again I'll think of a different example. 

So he was name calling again. Maybe he will go crying to Kat again about how is some victim. He fits the mold of the Bernie Bros to a T. And like them he won’t vote in the election when sanders doesn’t get nomination.

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 

Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:

I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 

He said he did not say it. 

Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

There you go.

And look into it. I check back tomorrow.

I looked briefly and wasn’t disturbed. He seems to say that it’s 2 groups not really against each other. 1 wants safety for AA and other want safety for police officers. 

So you ok with Bernie double down on lying and calling Warren a liar in the process? It’s ok cause she a woman?

So you are defending the t-shirt then? It is just for "safety for police officers"? I just want that in print if that is the case. That is some damn Pete Pal:ing if true.

I have not seen anything conclusive on him lying at all? Even the Morning Joe people who avoids bringing up Bernie if they can and are big Pete Pals like you are even says it comes off as ludicrous he would be of that opinion.

No. And from what I read he didn’t “defend” the shirt either. 

I saw Warren reaction to Bernie. I believe her. I’m pretty surprised he doubled down. Liar.

With you being kind of reasonable most of the time, and we both being on the right side of history regarding the tenclub singles (but not about Pete not having the guts to stand up to his racist police force) --

-- I don't know if Bernie said it (from the POV of going up against the sexist Trump) and is now denying it because how much he would explain himself it would sink him. Or if Bernie said, what he explained it as I seem to remember that it would be way harder for a woman against Trump -- and that Elizabeth Warren interpreted it as him saying it was impossible. Bernie has though not have had any problems saying Hillary won against Trump. And his record shows no sexism that I know of. 

But obviously Pete Pals and Biden Brats have to try to weaponize it against a person who's politics are to a large extent aimed to help women. Who has lift up the topic of the absurdity of how expensive giving birth is in the US versus other major countries or maternal mortality -- Bernie or Biden?

mcgruff10

James Carville is the man (side note, have to look up Michael Bennet):
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/carville-democrats-mistake/index.html

At the heart of Carville's critique is the party's embrace of, in his words, extreme liberal positions like "people voting from jail cells. ... We're talking about not having a border." 

"Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat," Carville, who has endorsed the long-shot presidential bid of Colorado's Sen. Michael Bennet, told Vox in an interview that ran Friday. "He's never been a Democrat. He's an ideologue."

(That sentiment echoes the critique of Sanders offered recently by Hillary Clinton: "Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.")

Are Democrats about purity or pragmatism? Or, in Carville's words:

"The real argument here is that some people think there's a real yearning for a left-wing revolution in this country, and if we just appeal to the people who feel that, we'll grow and excite them and we'll win. But there's a word a lot of people hate that I love: politics. It means building coalitions to win elections. It means sometimes having to sit back and listen to what people think and framing your message accordingly."

The Point: You may not like Carville -- or the blunt way he expresses himself. But he's not wrong. Democrats are at a fork in the road, with two very different paths before them. What path they choose could well determine their chances not just in 2020 but well beyond.

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

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cincybearcat said:

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cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 

Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:

I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 

He said he did not say it. 

Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

There you go.

And look into it. I check back tomorrow.

#believewomen

Why are you mocking a movement to make... eh... what point exactly?

I'm mocking your hypocrisy and your re-posting of Bernie Bros bullshit that influences no one here.  Stop wasting your time.  If you want to have a conversation, then have one like a normal humanoid.  If you're going to post bullshit, then expect to be mocked in return.  It's a simple calculus.  

What is my hypocrisy?

Evidently you don't actually believe women, since you think Warren's lying.  I'm going with Warren on this one, particularly since Sanders said on stage "can we talk about this after"?  He wasn't upset,, she was because he called her a liar on tv.  Considering the candidate sets the tone for the supporters, and Bernie's supporters are notoriously racist, sexist bullies, it seems like the preponderance of the evidence points to Bernie having said it.  I believe women, you don't.  

Again, this just shows that you 1) do not understand the movement #believewomen or 2) you are mocking the movement

I'm pretty sure this shows that I'm mocking you.  

Pretty certain this will get you some LeFou-cheering from the usual suspects. Maybe that is why you post this nonsense.

I believe you are just uneducated. Because you never answered in what way I am a hypocrite?

I finished the 8th grade successfully, thank you very much.  One day I'll be as learned as you...or not. And it's le fou.  Or maybe we should put this whole conversation en le four.  

edit - I'm getting rusty.. les fou since it's the all the suspects. 

No, it's LeFou



Trying to put me down but failing once again?

So, in what way am I a Hypocrite? Or "feeling tounge-tied?" like Freddy says in The Dream Warriors.

Oh well, le fou is French for idiot.  I didn't know it was a Disney character.  
I already explained your hypocrisy.  Maybe if you ask again I'll think of a different example. 

So he was name calling again. Maybe he will go crying to Kat again about how is some victim. He fits the mold of the Bernie Bros to a T. And like them he won’t vote in the election when sanders doesn’t get nomination.

In what way was I name calling? Who have I called names? Please tell me.

Or are you fabricating narratives ?

Because that is unnecessary and doesn't do any good. And to actually be honest and level for a moment, it is extra important to me that people do not throw around things like that - being in this state of "probation" and right now with restrictions because of how a moderator interpreted posts by me, which I have questioned and asked for a clarifying on - because of the ruling being labeled with an intent that was non-existing and the description clearly shows (to me) to having interpreted the posts wrong. Which is human. But have serious ramifications for me. So I do not want to be banned from here because of a moderator reading your post to hastily and comes to a hasted decision.

I don't want to leave this place. Not AMT or the board. I don't want to have to join Red Mosquito or live the facebook life.

And I have not name called anyone.

mrussel1

ecdanc said:

Of interest to some here, perhaps: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-first-february-poll/

Biden is on the ropes.  NH isn't an issue, but he needs a dominant SC performance and to win some ST states to stay in.  Otherwise he needs to clear the way for Pete. 

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

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cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

ecdanc said:

And the Bernie Bros are at it again. Tearing down opposition with bullshit. You know what, no longer do I just dislike bernies platform and how he campaigns. I just dislike him as a person now. High and mighty dirty old bullshitter. 

Please defend this, you being a Pete Pal:

I’m would have to look into more than the Bernie / Russian troll farm posts.

still waiting for you to defend Bernie lying about Warren. 

He said he did not say it. 

Still waiting for you defending Warrens campaign putting out lies about Bernie?

There you go.

And look into it. I check back tomorrow.

#believewomen

Why are you mocking a movement to make... eh... what point exactly?

I'm mocking your hypocrisy and your re-posting of Bernie Bros bullshit that influences no one here.  Stop wasting your time.  If you want to have a conversation, then have one like a normal humanoid.  If you're going to post bullshit, then expect to be mocked in return.  It's a simple calculus.  

What is my hypocrisy?

Evidently you don't actually believe women, since you think Warren's lying.  I'm going with Warren on this one, particularly since Sanders said on stage "can we talk about this after"?  He wasn't upset,, she was because he called her a liar on tv.  Considering the candidate sets the tone for the supporters, and Bernie's supporters are notoriously racist, sexist bullies, it seems like the preponderance of the evidence points to Bernie having said it.  I believe women, you don't.  

Again, this just shows that you 1) do not understand the movement #believewomen or 2) you are mocking the movement

I'm pretty sure this shows that I'm mocking you.  

Pretty certain this will get you some LeFou-cheering from the usual suspects. Maybe that is why you post this nonsense.

I believe you are just uneducated. Because you never answered in what way I am a hypocrite?

I finished the 8th grade successfully, thank you very much.  One day I'll be as learned as you...or not. And it's le fou.  Or maybe we should put this whole conversation en le four.  

edit - I'm getting rusty.. les fou since it's the all the suspects. 

No, it's LeFou



Trying to put me down but failing once again?

So, in what way am I a Hypocrite? Or "feeling tounge-tied?" like Freddy says in The Dream Warriors.

Oh well, le fou is French for idiot.  I didn't know it was a Disney character.  
I already explained your hypocrisy.  Maybe if you ask again I'll think of a different example. 

So he was name calling again. Maybe he will go crying to Kat again about how is some victim. He fits the mold of the Bernie Bros to a T. And like them he won’t vote in the election when sanders doesn’t get nomination.

In what way was I name calling? Who have I called names? Please tell me.

Or are you fabricating narratives ?

Because that is unnecessary and doesn't do any good. And to actually be honest and level for a second, it is extra important to me that people do not throw around things like that - being in this state of "probation" and right now with restrictions because of how a moderator interpreted posts by me, which I have questioned and asked for a clarifying on that ruling- because of the ruling being based on an intent that was non-existing and to me, shows to having interpret the posts wrong. So I do not want to be banned from here if a moderator reads your post to hastily and comes to a hasted decision. Or reads my post "wrong". 

I don't want to leave this place. Not AMT or the board. 

And I have not name called anyone.

I don't think you should be banned.  

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

Of interest to some here, perhaps: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-first-february-poll/

Biden is on the ropes.  NH isn't an issue, but he needs a dominant SC performance and to win some ST states to stay in.  Otherwise he needs to clear the way for Pete. 

piggybacking your critique:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/politics/biden-buttigieg-attack-ad/index.html

Biden campaign mocks Buttigieg's experience in new attack ad

The ad marks a sharply negative turn as Buttigieg led and Biden finished fourth in Iowa's caucuses on Monday. Titled "Pete's Record" and reported first by CNN, it makes a series of cheeky comparisons between the two candidates -- contrasting Biden's time shepherding major legislation to passage and negotiating international agreements with the smaller challenges facing the mayor of a city of 100,000.

It's the most direct, negative ad aired to date by any leading Democratic presidential contender against a primary rival. The ad reflects a new sense of urgency in Biden's campaign to slow Buttigieg's momentum and cast doubt on his electability and readiness for the presidency. Biden and his aides have said they expect to lose New Hampshire, too -- but his campaign is looking to regain its footing as the race moves to Nevada and South Carolina later this month

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

Of interest to some here, perhaps: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-first-february-poll/

Biden is on the ropes.  NH isn't an issue, but he needs a dominant SC performance and to win some ST states to stay in.  Otherwise he needs to clear the way for Pete. 

piggybacking your critique:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/politics/biden-buttigieg-attack-ad/index.html

Biden campaign mocks Buttigieg's experience in new attack ad

The ad marks a sharply negative turn as Buttigieg led and Biden finished fourth in Iowa's caucuses on Monday. Titled "Pete's Record" and reported first by CNN, it makes a series of cheeky comparisons between the two candidates -- contrasting Biden's time shepherding major legislation to passage and negotiating international agreements with the smaller challenges facing the mayor of a city of 100,000.

It's the most direct, negative ad aired to date by any leading Democratic presidential contender against a primary rival. The ad reflects a new sense of urgency in Biden's campaign to slow Buttigieg's momentum and cast doubt on his electability and readiness for the presidency. Biden and his aides have said they expect to lose New Hampshire, too -- but his campaign is looking to regain its footing as the race moves to Nevada and South Carolina later this month

You should email CNN and ask them to change the headline. mrussel was adamant that Biden did not mock Pete, he was just shining a light on their difference in experience. 

You can't trust the newschannels anymore!

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

Of interest to some here, perhaps: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-first-february-poll/

Biden is on the ropes.  NH isn't an issue, but he needs a dominant SC performance and to win some ST states to stay in.  Otherwise he needs to clear the way for Pete. 

piggybacking your critique:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/politics/biden-buttigieg-attack-ad/index.html

Biden campaign mocks Buttigieg's experience in new attack ad

The ad marks a sharply negative turn as Buttigieg led and Biden finished fourth in Iowa's caucuses on Monday. Titled "Pete's Record" and reported first by CNN, it makes a series of cheeky comparisons between the two candidates -- contrasting Biden's time shepherding major legislation to passage and negotiating international agreements with the smaller challenges facing the mayor of a city of 100,000.

It's the most direct, negative ad aired to date by any leading Democratic presidential contender against a primary rival. The ad reflects a new sense of urgency in Biden's campaign to slow Buttigieg's momentum and cast doubt on his electability and readiness for the presidency. Biden and his aides have said they expect to lose New Hampshire, too -- but his campaign is looking to regain its footing as the race moves to Nevada and South Carolina later this month

You should email CNN and ask them to change the headline. mrussel was adamant that Biden did not mock Pete, he was just shining a light on their difference in experience. 

You can't trust the newschannels anymore!

More evidence that you simply do not understand my point.  There's a world of difference between calling someone inexperienced and calling them corrupt.  This isn't difficult. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

Of interest to some here, perhaps: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-first-february-poll/

Biden is on the ropes.  NH isn't an issue, but he needs a dominant SC performance and to win some ST states to stay in.  Otherwise he needs to clear the way for Pete. 

I wonder what Steyer is doing. It didn't sound yesterday like he talked about himself as a choice to be president in the debate. He used the podium to puff up the other candidates and assure they were better than Trump and agreed with Bernie (for some reason) and attacked Biden. 

Almost - but obviously not true - sounds like Steyer is all in on SC to crash Bidens campaign, more than becoming president himself. Maybe he believes Biden is not the right choice, and he tries to make all he can to change it before dropping out.

Steyer should use his money and resources and character (if he truly has one) to work with a candidate (Whoever he sees fit if not Biden) instead of competing. His heart beating for climate change and his sound advice to talk about the real issues and not "whos health care plan is the best because they are all pretty good" (paraphrasing) could maybe help the road to the presidency. 

mickeyrat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

Of interest to some here, perhaps: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-first-february-poll/

Biden is on the ropes.  NH isn't an issue, but he needs a dominant SC performance and to win some ST states to stay in.  Otherwise he needs to clear the way for Pete. 

piggybacking your critique:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/politics/biden-buttigieg-attack-ad/index.html

Biden campaign mocks Buttigieg's experience in new attack ad

The ad marks a sharply negative turn as Buttigieg led and Biden finished fourth in Iowa's caucuses on Monday. Titled "Pete's Record" and reported first by CNN, it makes a series of cheeky comparisons between the two candidates -- contrasting Biden's time shepherding major legislation to passage and negotiating international agreements with the smaller challenges facing the mayor of a city of 100,000.

It's the most direct, negative ad aired to date by any leading Democratic presidential contender against a primary rival. The ad reflects a new sense of urgency in Biden's campaign to slow Buttigieg's momentum and cast doubt on his electability and readiness for the presidency. Biden and his aides have said they expect to lose New Hampshire, too -- but his campaign is looking to regain its footing as the race moves to Nevada and South Carolina later this month

You should email CNN and ask them to change the headline. mrussel was adamant that Biden did not mock Pete, he was just shining a light on their difference in experience. 

You can't trust the newschannels anymore!

I'll note the headline directly says mocked his, wait for it, EXPERIENCE.

mrussel1's point being

experience, in bound

character, out of bounds.....