The point of SAF was to go to where the crime was and take away the guns. But let’s stay on that r word narrative ecd.
As long as the several states have open borders with one another, I can’t cant think of a better gun policy that would get thru this era of congress. I’d prefer much tighter regulations on every aspect of guns, but there’s zero chance of that happening with republicans living here and stopping any progress.
Chris Matthews with his personal agenda and his weird red-scare fears. How can they allow these people sit there spewing BS from a veneer of authority.
He is saying if Bernie is the nominee, the Dems lose to trump, Lose congress and probably two seats on the court and we will not see ANY govt supported healthcare for the masses for 40 years with a 7-2 court. The dems will become the Washington Generals.
is that what our euro friends want?
The op ed piece I linked says the same exact thing. The dude is a god damn socialist; that right there will be used against him 24/7.
I don't think of socialism as a dirty word, although it's had a mixed history of success here in the States. But I agree the label will be potent with the older generation of voters, who are the most engaged.
You're really smart.
*Source - US Census Bureau
Smart enough to know that political engagement isn't coextensive with voting.
I think that political engagement and voting should track pretty closely (unless you disagree with that, which I'd be curious to hear why), which would permit you to use it as a proxy metric at least for trending. Most people who are politically engaged want to do something with that engagement, and I can't imagine they'd forfeit their votes. On the opposite side, even if the argument is that younger people reverse this skew with outsized non-voting political engagement, I'd say its effectiveness should be based on seeing these voting rates increase over time, yet they appear to be more or less stable (and slightly declining in some cases), so an outsized non-vote impact to round up that political engagement from other avenues, doesn't seem to be present either.
I don't entirely disagree with you, but I'm surrounded by people whose political engagement far exceeds voting. Look at Sanders's popularity and the demographics of votes he's pulling. There's a reason; that reason has a lot to do with political engagement; and that political engagement is coming largely from young people.
And if they don't turnout to vote, then what's the point? You work in a privileged world of higher education and certainly not representative of all young people. So your analysis that is completely anecdotal is fundamentally flawed when compared to the empirical data of actual voting results by age demographic. And in every one of those data sets, the cohort of older voters participate in the election at a higher rate than young people. Which was exactly my point that I'm 100% sure Lex and McGruff understood.
Particularly when he’s squawking about a dem primary where “young” people are engaged and doesn’t recognize the “young” repubs and indies who have or have not turned out to vote or be engaged yet. The 65+ crowd has turned out to vote in higher percentages since I’ve been alive. Why? Because polling places are often times located in senior centers, they’re mostly retired and don’t worry about missing work on Election Day and campaigns have traditionally run van and car services to get them to the polls. Maybe in Kansas they still walk shoeless 18 miles to the one room school house to pull the lever?
This shit is sad - was amusing for a while, though. Representative of how people get along via the Internet. (Consistently say things that would see swift and drastic reactions irl....and feel great about being that much of a shit to everyone who feels differently than they do )
Very good comment.
IRL often we are forced to swallow our pride and smile and be nice to the other side. I mistakingly said in front of a R I wish trump were - - - -. Is the left justified for hating trump? I honestly believe so. Was the right justified in hating Obama? I think not, because much of that was based on lies. One of the earliest attack on the Obama presidency was death squads. Were conservatives outwardly trying to install fear of a black president or fear of a blank planet? And the next president coincidentally appeals to white supremacy. And much of AMT thinks I’m a racist for saying there are two sides to SAF and broken window theory.
point is, it seems as a result of swallowing our pride, the anger seems to come thru in places like reddit and forums.
Chris Matthews with his personal agenda and his weird red-scare fears. How can they allow these people sit there spewing BS from a veneer of authority.
He is saying if Bernie is the nominee, the Dems lose to trump, Lose congress and probably two seats on the court and we will not see ANY govt supported healthcare for the masses for 40 years with a 7-2 court. The dems will become the Washington Generals.
is that what our euro friends want?
The op ed piece I linked says the same exact thing. The dude is a god damn socialist; that right there will be used against him 24/7.
I don't think of socialism as a dirty word, although it's had a mixed history of success here in the States. But I agree the label will be potent with the older generation of voters, who are the most engaged.
You're really smart.
*Source - US Census Bureau
Smart enough to know that political engagement isn't coextensive with voting.
I think that political engagement and voting should track pretty closely (unless you disagree with that, which I'd be curious to hear why), which would permit you to use it as a proxy metric at least for trending. Most people who are politically engaged want to do something with that engagement, and I can't imagine they'd forfeit their votes. On the opposite side, even if the argument is that younger people reverse this skew with outsized non-voting political engagement, I'd say its effectiveness should be based on seeing these voting rates increase over time, yet they appear to be more or less stable (and slightly declining in some cases), so an outsized non-vote impact to round up that political engagement from other avenues, doesn't seem to be present either.
I don't entirely disagree with you, but I'm surrounded by people whose political engagement far exceeds voting. Look at Sanders's popularity and the demographics of votes he's pulling. There's a reason; that reason has a lot to do with political engagement; and that political engagement is coming largely from young people.
And if they don't turnout to vote, then what's the point? You work in a privileged world of higher education and certainly not representative of all young people. So your analysis that is completely anecdotal is fundamentally flawed when compared to the empirical data of actual voting results by age demographic. And in every one of those data sets, the cohort of older voters participate in the election at a higher rate than young people. Which was exactly my point that I'm 100% sure Lex and McGruff understood.
Particularly when he’s squawking about a dem primary where “young” people are engaged and doesn’t recognize the “young” repubs and indies who have or have not turned out to vote or be engaged yet. The 65+ crowd has turned out to vote in higher percentages since I’ve been alive. Why? Because polling places are often times located in senior centers, they’re mostly retired and don’t worry about missing work on Election Day and campaigns have traditionally run van and car services to get them to the polls. Maybe in Kansas they still walk shoeless 18 miles to the one room school house to pull the lever?
The point of SAF was to go to where the crime was and take away the guns. But let’s stay on that r word narrative ecd.
As long as the several states have open borders with one another, I can’t cant think of a better gun policy that would get thru this era of congress. I’d prefer much tighter regulations on every aspect of guns, but there’s zero chance of that happening with republicans living here and stopping any progress.
Was the point racist? Or was racism simply the method for implementation?
This shit is sad - was amusing for a while, though. Representative of how people get along via the Internet. (Consistently say things that would see swift and drastic reactions irl....and feel great about being that much of a shit to everyone who feels differently than they do )
Very good comment.
IRL often we are forced to swallow our pride and smile and be nice to the other side. I mistakingly said in front of a R I wish trump were - - - -. Is the left justified for hating trump? I honestly believe so. Was the right justified in hating Obama? I think not, because much of that was based on lies. One of the earliest attack on the Obama presidency was death squads. Were conservatives outwardly trying to install fear of a black president or fear of a blank planet? And the next president coincidentally appeals to white supremacy. And much of AMT thinks I’m a racist for saying there are two sides to SAF and broken window theory.
point is, it seems as a result of swallowing our pride, the anger seems to come thru in places like reddit and forums.
In the 2018 midterms, Democrats took control of the House by winning swing districts in states like New Jersey, where four seats flipped. All four winners ran as centrists, with support for Obamacare at the heart of their pitch. It worked.
Please, Democrats, don’t do this. Why abandon a strategy that worked wonders in 2018, and choose this moment in history to place such a risky bet? Can’t the revolution wait until the Mad King is gone?
Rep. Tom Malinowski, D-7th, is one of the four freshman Democrats who took a Republican seat in the last election. He knows something about this dynamic.
“We win, and the country wins, if we nominate a candidate who unites the majority of Americans who are disgusted with Trump’s leadership and divides the other side -- rather than a candidate who does the exact reverse,” he says.
Another Democrat in a swing district, promised anonymity, was blunt: “If Sanders is the nominee, I will lose,” the member said. “I think a bunch would lose. Bernie would drag us right down.”
Start with this: Republican are rooting for Bernie. In South Carolina, where anyone can vote in Saturday’s primary, Republican groups are asking their own people to vote in the Democratic primary and choose Sanders. Across the country, Republicans are already attacking Democratic rivals by attaching them to Sanders.
“Sanders offers that foil up and down the ballot for Republicans, and it’s one we’re going to take advantage of,” Austin Chambers, president of the Republican State Leadership Committee, told Politico recently.
I called Mike DuHaime, a leading Republican strategist and former political director of the Republican National Committee, to get a glimpse of GOP thinking. It boils down to this: Bring on Bernie!
“He plays this class warfare game and pretends it’s going to be a handful of billionaires who pay for all this,” he says. “But you can’t double the size of government without doubling many people’s taxes.”
Bernie’s program is more radical than people think. He actually would double the size of the federal government, roughly. It accounts for about 20 percent of the gross domestic product, in an average year. Bernie’s plans would swell that to 37 percent, according to the bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
On a basic level I agree. The country is trained to hate socialism. And it would be a very uphill battle for sanders to get past that. But he is a firebrand with a very strong and honest argument about who benefits 99% of the time from republican based growth. I honestly wish he took a long term approach to his policies out of respect for living in a center right electoral college. A 12 year plan. Let’s add Medicare as an option and once we get it to work right, then move to universal.
but Bernie has never been open to expanding his base to democrats, let alone independents. I’d give trump a 70% chance over sanders, not 100%. But 2020 is starting to remind me of George McGovern.
” McGovern's long-shot, grassroots-based 1972 presidential campaign found triumph in gaining the Democratic nomination but left the party badly split ideologically, and the failed vice-presidential pick of Thomas Eagleton undermined McGovern's credibility. In the general election McGovern lost to incumbent Richard Nixon in one of the biggest landslides in U.S. electoral history. Re-elected Senator in 1968 and 1974, McGovern was defeated in a bid for a fourth term in 1980.”
Chris Matthews with his personal agenda and his weird red-scare fears. How can they allow these people sit there spewing BS from a veneer of authority.
He is saying if Bernie is the nominee, the Dems lose to trump, Lose congress and probably two seats on the court and we will not see ANY govt supported healthcare for the masses for 40 years with a 7-2 court. The dems will become the Washington Generals.
is that what our euro friends want?
The op ed piece I linked says the same exact thing. The dude is a god damn socialist; that right there will be used against him 24/7.
I don't think of socialism as a dirty word, although it's had a mixed history of success here in the States. But I agree the label will be potent with the older generation of voters, who are the most engaged.
You're really smart.
*Source - US Census Bureau
Smart enough to know that political engagement isn't coextensive with voting.
I think that political engagement and voting should track pretty closely (unless you disagree with that, which I'd be curious to hear why), which would permit you to use it as a proxy metric at least for trending. Most people who are politically engaged want to do something with that engagement, and I can't imagine they'd forfeit their votes. On the opposite side, even if the argument is that younger people reverse this skew with outsized non-voting political engagement, I'd say its effectiveness should be based on seeing these voting rates increase over time, yet they appear to be more or less stable (and slightly declining in some cases), so an outsized non-vote impact to round up that political engagement from other avenues, doesn't seem to be present either.
I don't entirely disagree with you, but I'm surrounded by people whose political engagement far exceeds voting. Look at Sanders's popularity and the demographics of votes he's pulling. There's a reason; that reason has a lot to do with political engagement; and that political engagement is coming largely from young people.
And if they don't turnout to vote, then what's the point? You work in a privileged world of higher education and certainly not representative of all young people. So your analysis that is completely anecdotal is fundamentally flawed when compared to the empirical data of actual voting results by age demographic. And in every one of those data sets, the cohort of older voters participate in the election at a higher rate than young people. Which was exactly my point that I'm 100% sure Lex and McGruff understood.
Particularly when he’s squawking about a dem primary where “young” people are engaged and doesn’t recognize the “young” repubs and indies who have or have not turned out to vote or be engaged yet. The 65+ crowd has turned out to vote in higher percentages since I’ve been alive. Why? Because polling places are often times located in senior centers, they’re mostly retired and don’t worry about missing work on Election Day and campaigns have traditionally run van and car services to get them to the polls. Maybe in Kansas they still walk shoeless 18 miles to the one room school house to pull the lever?
Young Republicans did a fantastic job in the 1990s getting engaged, and they grew up to run for office and take over our country.
Young Democrats just want to burn stuff down. They'll leave the running for office to a heart attack patient who fuels their flames and will be dead before they even finish college. And they'll still be stuck with their student loan debt because their Chosen One will accomplish nothing.
I've been reading a lot about demagoguery and totalitarianism lately. It's here, folks. It's here.
In the 2018 midterms, Democrats took control of the House by winning swing districts in states like New Jersey, where four seats flipped. All four winners ran as centrists, with support for Obamacare at the heart of their pitch. It worked.
Please, Democrats, don’t do this. Why abandon a strategy that worked wonders in 2018, and choose this moment in history to place such a risky bet? Can’t the revolution wait until the Mad King is gone?
Rep. Tom Malinowski, D-7th, is one of the four freshman Democrats who took a Republican seat in the last election. He knows something about this dynamic.
“We win, and the country wins, if we nominate a candidate who unites the majority of Americans who are disgusted with Trump’s leadership and divides the other side -- rather than a candidate who does the exact reverse,” he says.
Another Democrat in a swing district, promised anonymity, was blunt: “If Sanders is the nominee, I will lose,” the member said. “I think a bunch would lose. Bernie would drag us right down.”
Start with this: Republican are rooting for Bernie. In South Carolina, where anyone can vote in Saturday’s primary, Republican groups are asking their own people to vote in the Democratic primary and choose Sanders. Across the country, Republicans are already attacking Democratic rivals by attaching them to Sanders.
“Sanders offers that foil up and down the ballot for Republicans, and it’s one we’re going to take advantage of,” Austin Chambers, president of the Republican State Leadership Committee, told Politico recently.
I called Mike DuHaime, a leading Republican strategist and former political director of the Republican National Committee, to get a glimpse of GOP thinking. It boils down to this: Bring on Bernie!
“He plays this class warfare game and pretends it’s going to be a handful of billionaires who pay for all this,” he says. “But you can’t double the size of government without doubling many people’s taxes.”
Bernie’s program is more radical than people think. He actually would double the size of the federal government, roughly. It accounts for about 20 percent of the gross domestic product, in an average year. Bernie’s plans would swell that to 37 percent, according to the bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
On a basic level I agree. The country is trained to hate socialism. And it would be a very uphill battle for sanders to get past that. But he is a firebrand with a very strong and honest argument about who benefits 99% of the time from republican based growth. I honestly wish he took a long term approach to his policies out of respect for living in a center right electoral college. A 12 year plan. Let’s add Medicare as an option and once we get it to work right, then move to universal.
but Bernie has never been open to expanding his base to democrats, let alone independents. I’d give trump a 70% chance over sanders, not 100%. But 2020 is starting to remind me of George McGovern.
” McGovern's long-shot, grassroots-based 1972 presidential campaign found triumph in gaining the Democratic nomination but left the party badly split ideologically, and the failed vice-presidential pick of Thomas Eagleton undermined McGovern's credibility. In the general election McGovern lost to incumbent Richard Nixon in one of the biggest landslides in U.S. electoral history. Re-elected Senator in 1968 and 1974, McGovern was defeated in a bid for a fourth term in 1980.”
On universal health care: A. I would like the option of not giving up my own insurance. B. How much is it going to cost?
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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This shit is sad - was amusing for a while, though. Representative of how people get along via the Internet. (Consistently say things that would see swift and drastic reactions irl....and feel great about being that much of a shit to everyone who feels differently than they do )
This says it all.
I was going to read through the four or five pages I missed since yesterday but a quick glance tells me I have better things to do with my time. Too bad because it really is an important subject. But I guess fake fighting on the internet is more important for some.
Fuck it, lets go grab some coffee or a bloody Mary or a wake 'n bake over in the lounge!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
This shit is sad - was amusing for a while, though. Representative of how people get along via the Internet. (Consistently say things that would see swift and drastic reactions irl....and feel great about being that much of a shit to everyone who feels differently than they do )
This says it all.
I was going to read through the four or five pages I missed since yesterday but a quick glance tells me I have better things to do with my time. Too bad because it really is an important subject. But I guess fake fighting on the internet is more important for some.
Fuck it, lets go grab some coffee or a bloody Mary or a wake 'n bake over in the lounge!
It’s surprising to see so many people confess that they say things here they wouldn’t say in “real life.” Why wouldn’t you say them?
Same here. Even some of the dumb shit I've said, lol.
What I don't do is bate or troll. I'm not sure why some people do that but it probably has something to do with getting negative attention. And I've learned it's best just to not respond to people that do that.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Same here. Even some of the dumb shit I've said, lol.
What I don't do is bate or troll. I'm not sure why some people do that but it probably has something to do with getting negative attention. And I've learned it's best just to not respond to people that do that.
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I may write from the heart, but the nature of this medium makes me choose my words more carefully than I might face-to-face.
Still - no matter how conveyed - once again, for me, it comes down to the simple beauty of “Don’t be an asshole.”
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This is funny: "Someone should pull an Andrew Yang"
Use the ignore feature if you wish. Read all, some, or none of the posts, it’s up to you, but it seems kind of shitty to make a big deal about who you have on ignore.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Use the ignore feature if you wish. Read all, some, or none of the posts, it’s up to you, but it seems kind of shitty to make a big deal about who you have on ignore.
yep
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Use the ignore feature if you wish. Read all, some, or none of the posts, it’s up to you, but it seems kind of shitty to make a big deal about who you have on ignore.
I think it’s not even worth using. You still see the posts in quotes, and if someone you have on ignore comments beneath your own post, it’s hard not to assume they’re responding to you and click to see their post. Skimming past annoying posts or posters is a better way to ignore them than the actual ignore feature I think.
Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
No belly achin' here.
I think what Yang said in the clip above is a great idea. At least a couple of the candidates need to drop out and give their support to one of the moderates. I like a lot of Bernie's ideas, but his chances of beating Trump? I'm doubtful. One of the moderate candidates probably have a much better chance of winning.
That said, if Bernie gets the nomination, I'm going hoping most Dems will stand behind him and hopefully beat Trump.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.
Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.
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As long as the several states have open borders with one another, I can’t cant think of a better gun policy that would get thru this era of congress. I’d prefer much tighter regulations on every aspect of guns, but there’s zero chance of that happening with republicans living here and stopping any progress.
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point is, it seems as a result of swallowing our pride, the anger seems to come thru in places like reddit and forums.
but Bernie has never been open to expanding his base to democrats, let alone independents. I’d give trump a 70% chance over sanders, not 100%. But 2020 is starting to remind me of George McGovern.
” McGovern's long-shot, grassroots-based 1972 presidential campaign found triumph in gaining the Democratic nomination but left the party badly split ideologically, and the failed vice-presidential pick of Thomas Eagleton undermined McGovern's credibility. In the general election McGovern lost to incumbent Richard Nixon in one of the biggest landslides in U.S. electoral history. Re-elected Senator in 1968 and 1974, McGovern was defeated in a bid for a fourth term in 1980.”
Young Democrats just want to burn stuff down. They'll leave the running for office to a heart attack patient who fuels their flames and will be dead before they even finish college. And they'll still be stuck with their student loan debt because their Chosen One will accomplish nothing.
I've been reading a lot about demagoguery and totalitarianism lately. It's here, folks. It's here.
A. I would like the option of not giving up my own insurance.
B. How much is it going to cost?
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/nyregion/stop-and-frisk-practice-violated-rights-judge-rules.html
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana