The Democratic Presidential Debates

Lerxst1992

.mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.

I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.

And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?

Can you?

Yes. Is it perfect? No.

So, no. 😎

Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice? 

I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!

*drool*

Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 

naptime in 6th grade?

damn these kids got it good.

No way they stay awake during an 84 minute lesson on anarchic communism. God I just noticed my eyes closed as I was typing those words.  Holy boring. 

? 84 minutes in sixth grade? I’d be surprised they aren’t napping every lesson.

Spiritual_Chaos

Pete would have freezed up and been all "I haven't rehearsed this. What do I do"



Biden is really good. A bit dishonest. But good.

Amy also going after Petes phoniness. 

Lerxst1992

Spiritual_Chaos said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

ecdanc said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.

I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.

And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?

Can you?

Yes. Is it perfect? No.

The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    

Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 

You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 

Am I wrong?

Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 

Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

No im applying historical perspective.  

Poorly. 

You clearly don't understand the concept. 

No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?

You make historical judgments based on the concepts of the time,  not today's.  Slavery wasn't outlawed in any western country before the turn of the 19th century,  so it's improper to use that as a bar. 

I fear you're a one trick pony. 

No I don’t. You might want to sit in on my class on Huck Finn sometime.                    

You're not an historian

I’m a helluva lot closer than you are. 

Considering that concept is foreign to you,  I doubt that.  

But sure,  I guess you would argue that Washington DC should be renamed because the Fathers didn't bestow suffrage on women who identify as men.  Under your mindset,  they should be admonished.  For an historian,  that's silliness. 

Actually I don’t get the reference to Ed’s guitar (send me over to be pilloried on the “real fan” threads on The Porch). I taught Zinn’s work years and years ago. I thought you might know Zinn which makes him a good choice for countering your absurd suggestion that historians don’t admonish.      

Buttigieg plays guitar?

what dreams

Lerxst1992 said:

.mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.

I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.

And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?

Can you?

Yes. Is it perfect? No.

So, no. 😎

Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice? 

I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!

*drool*

Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 

naptime in 6th grade?

damn these kids got it good.

No way they stay awake during an 84 minute lesson on anarchic communism. God I just noticed my eyes closed as I was typing those words.  Holy boring. 

? 84 minutes in sixth grade? I’d be surprised they aren’t napping every lesson.

Middle-schoolers don't nap when they're bored. They bounce from seat to seat. They pencil fight and thumb wrestle. They throw paper airplanes. They draw penises on the desks. That sort of thing. If only they would take a nap when they're bored . . . 

mickeyrat

what dreams said:

Lerxst1992 said:

.mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

OnWis97 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.

I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.

And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?

Can you?

Yes. Is it perfect? No.

So, no. 😎

Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice? 

I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!

*drool*

Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 

naptime in 6th grade?

damn these kids got it good.

No way they stay awake during an 84 minute lesson on anarchic communism. God I just noticed my eyes closed as I was typing those words.  Holy boring. 

? 84 minutes in sixth grade? I’d be surprised they aren’t napping every lesson.

Middle-schoolers don't nap when they're bored. They bounce from seat to seat. They pencil fight and thumb wrestle. They throw paper airplanes. They draw penises on the desks. That sort of thing. If only they would take a nap when they're bored . . . 

naps or sleeping in class doesn't occur til HS.

you can trust me on this

CM189191

Amy/Pete 2020

cincybearcat

CM189191 said:

Amy/Pete 2020

I would be for that. 

Lots of the same in the debate. But I really thought Amy won this one. Pete was terrific. And while I don’t like him, Bernie was Bernie. Biden really just seems old and not sharp. I was surprised with how little Warren seemed to do, bad night for her. Steyer and yang were there too...I think.

CM189191

cincybearcat said:

CM189191 said:

Amy/Pete 2020

I would be for that. 

Lots of the same in the debate. But I really thought Amy won this one. Pete was terrific. And while I don’t like him, Bernie was Bernie. Biden really just seems old and not sharp. I was surprised with how little Warren seemed to do, bad night for her. Steyer and yang were there too...I think.

Warren will do great in the cabinet position. Yang too.

Bernie and Biden can retire already.

brianlux

Oh man, I'm feeling a bit gutted.   I'm such a huge Andrew Yang fan but the bottom line is, Trump needs to be defeated.  After tonight's debate, I have serious doubts Yang is there yet.  I hope he can regain his energy and hang in there. If I had to vote strictly on this debate (I watched every second closely), I would vote for Amy Klobuchar.  She was amazing.  But overall, I'm still a Yang guy.  I like his outside-of-the-box approach. 

But some time ago I had read something about her that led me to say about her run for president, "no way", right then and there.  My mind is cluttered with a lot of things goings on right now and the aging of my brain is not helping.  I'm hoping I can find that issue again to determine how important it is.  She probably failed me on some environmental issue and as I've said a thousand times, if the earth is not hospitable to human life, there will be no political or social issues, period.  So I must dig some more.  Everything hinges on environment.  But right now, it's very possibly Amy for me.

darwinstheory

Pete/Amy 2020

Hi!

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Pete would have freezed up and been all "I haven't rehearsed this. What do I do"



Biden is really good. A bit dishonest. But good.

Amy also going after Petes phoniness. 

+1

ecdanc

Spiritual_Chaos

ecdanc said:

Moderator: Question

Pete to himself: "How can I sound as inspirational as Obama, while not having anything to say"

Spiritual_Chaos

Extra-in-the-background Warren trying to burn Bernie. Not feeling the Bern. 

Weird how invisible she and Yang is in the debate.

mcgruff10

What a miserable week to be a Democrat.  

Spiritual_Chaos

Pete has never sounded as phony as when defending his billionaire cozying up.

Biden didn't stutter like this, from what I remember in 08? Did it come back with age, or is it stress this time around? He seems more stressful than when he laughed his way through the Paul Ryan VP debate.

Steyer sounds like a good dude, who is just up there to lift up the others and put down Trump. Why is he hyping up Sanders like he does? 

Spiritual_Chaos

@mrussel1

A more complete version:



Steyer: We can't be the empire from Star Wars

Amy: He (Trump) blames the king of Denmark - WHO DOES THAT?! 

Made me laugh. Haha.

Spiritual_Chaos

This is all you need folks:

https://twitter.com/ChrisDStedman/status/1225989672188424192?s=20

mickeyrat

still waiting to hear how his agenda gets passed to. sign into law.

Spiritual_Chaos

mickeyrat said:

still waiting to hear how his agenda gets passed to. sign into law.

He answers this in the debate.

I happen to believe, you don't care about listening. You just want to bicker.

And as I saw someone write: "No one ever talks about the death toll of incremental change".