The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • ecdanc
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    Tell them about Alexander Berkman trying to kill Henry Clay Frick. It’s a great story!
    Honestly,  how do you idolize that woman? 
    Which woman?
    Emma Goldman.  She was part of that plot. 
    Really? Did you learn that from my article on the topic? Jesus.          
  • mrussel1
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    ecdanc said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ecdanc said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
  • ecdanc
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
    No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?


  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ecdanc said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
    No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?


    You make historical judgments based on the concepts of the time,  not today's.  Slavery wasn't outlawed in any western country before the turn of the 19th century,  so it's improper to use that as a bar. 

    I fear you're a one trick pony. 
  • ecdanc
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
    No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?


    You make historical judgments based on the concepts of the time,  not today's.  Slavery wasn't outlawed in any western country before the turn of the 19th century,  so it's improper to use that as a bar. 

    I fear you're a one trick pony. 
    No I don’t. You might want to sit in on my class on Huck Finn sometime.                    
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ecdanc said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
    No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?


    You make historical judgments based on the concepts of the time,  not today's.  Slavery wasn't outlawed in any western country before the turn of the 19th century,  so it's improper to use that as a bar. 

    I fear you're a one trick pony. 
    No I don’t. You might want to sit in on my class on Huck Finn sometime.                    
    You're not an historian
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
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    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
    No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?


    You make historical judgments based on the concepts of the time,  not today's.  Slavery wasn't outlawed in any western country before the turn of the 19th century,  so it's improper to use that as a bar. 

    I fear you're a one trick pony. 
    No I don’t. You might want to sit in on my class on Huck Finn sometime.                    
    You're not an historian
    I’m a helluva lot closer than you are. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ecdanc said:
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    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
    No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?


    You make historical judgments based on the concepts of the time,  not today's.  Slavery wasn't outlawed in any western country before the turn of the 19th century,  so it's improper to use that as a bar. 

    I fear you're a one trick pony. 
    No I don’t. You might want to sit in on my class on Huck Finn sometime.                    
    You're not an historian
    I’m a helluva lot closer than you are. 
    Considering that concept is foreign to you,  I doubt that.  

    But sure,  I guess you would argue that Washington DC should be renamed because the Fathers didn't bestow suffrage on women who identify as men.  Under your mindset,  they should be admonished.  For an historian,  that's silliness. 
  • ecdanc
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
    No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?


    You make historical judgments based on the concepts of the time,  not today's.  Slavery wasn't outlawed in any western country before the turn of the 19th century,  so it's improper to use that as a bar. 

    I fear you're a one trick pony. 
    No I don’t. You might want to sit in on my class on Huck Finn sometime.                    
    You're not an historian
    I’m a helluva lot closer than you are. 
    Considering that concept is foreign to you,  I doubt that.  

    But sure,  I guess you would argue that Washington DC should be renamed because the Fathers didn't bestow suffrage on women who identify as men.  Under your mindset,  they should be admonished.  For an historian,  that's silliness. 
    I don’t think you know much about historians, so here’s one for you to check out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn


  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    ecdanc said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
    No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?


    You make historical judgments based on the concepts of the time,  not today's.  Slavery wasn't outlawed in any western country before the turn of the 19th century,  so it's improper to use that as a bar. 

    I fear you're a one trick pony. 
    No I don’t. You might want to sit in on my class on Huck Finn sometime.                    
    You're not an historian
    I’m a helluva lot closer than you are. 
    Considering that concept is foreign to you,  I doubt that.  

    But sure,  I guess you would argue that Washington DC should be renamed because the Fathers didn't bestow suffrage on women who identify as men.  Under your mindset,  they should be admonished.  For an historian,  that's silliness. 
    I don’t think you know much about historians, so here’s one for you to check out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn


    Everyone knows Zinn.  And I've seen Ed's guitar just like you.  Want me to send you Goldhagens publishing page randomly too?
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    mcgruff10 said:
    domestic news only or world events as well?

    what sources do you use? just curious.
    Both. https://www.cnn.com/cnn10
    Just objective news, no bias.  
    My 7th graders love CNN10. It's one of the rare 10-minute stretches during the day that they're completely quiet and attentive. I show it during advisory in the morning and they react appropriately with good questions when they don't understand something. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Come on kat, a communist, a teacher and a financial guy walk into the Apollo theatre together.....
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
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    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

    No im applying historical perspective.  
    Poorly. 
    You clearly don't understand the concept. 
    No it’s P&L I don’t understand, remember?


    You make historical judgments based on the concepts of the time,  not today's.  Slavery wasn't outlawed in any western country before the turn of the 19th century,  so it's improper to use that as a bar. 

    I fear you're a one trick pony. 
    No I don’t. You might want to sit in on my class on Huck Finn sometime.                    
    You're not an historian
    I’m a helluva lot closer than you are. 
    Considering that concept is foreign to you,  I doubt that.  

    But sure,  I guess you would argue that Washington DC should be renamed because the Fathers didn't bestow suffrage on women who identify as men.  Under your mindset,  they should be admonished.  For an historian,  that's silliness. 
    Actually I don’t get the reference to Ed’s guitar (send me over to be pilloried on the “real fan” threads on The Porch). I taught Zinn’s work years and years ago. I thought you might know Zinn which makes him a good choice for countering your absurd suggestion that historians don’t admonish.      

  • ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    Do you mean to imply democracy is perfect in theory?
    No
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  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    Do you mean to imply democracy is perfect in theory?
    No
    Ok
  • mcgruff10 said:
    Come on kat, a communist, a teacher and a financial guy walk into the Apollo theatre together.....
    And are served red wine in solo cups with ice...........
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  • Bernie's just jealous he got outhustled in Iowa by the young whippasnappa who needs to more patiently wait his turn and respect his elders.
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