The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,497
    edited February 2020
    Something for a freeloving hippie like you @brianlux ?

    Is Bernie doing this to get to Warren? Haha.



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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    "Featuring door-knocks" :rofl:
  • hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,976
    Something for a freeloving hippie like you @brianlux ?

    Is Bernie doing this to get to Warren? Haha.



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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Thank you, that was my point.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Some would. The same way that some won't for a woman, including women. Plenty of polling to back that up.

    Everyone has their reasons.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
    You're so woke that you get sexism more than Hedo... who's actually a woman. You probably understand racism better than MLK did too, that's how impressive you are. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
    You're so woke that you get sexism more than Hedo... who's actually a woman. You probably understand racism better than MLK did too, that's how impressive you are. 
    You’re willfully misreading SC’s posts even after he clarified. Or you are struggling with reading again.         .



        




  • brianlux said:
    Someone here (gimme?) mentioned "brokered convention" a while back.  If this goes to a brokered convention, what do you all think the outcome would be?
    The end of the Democratic Party maybe?

    Ok...that might be hyperbole. But if Sanders goes in there with the most delegates but not enough to secure the nomination, and the superdelegates give the nomination to Biden or Bloomberg, forget about beating Trump in 2020, start worrying about Don Jr. in 2024. Even if the DNC was against Sanders in 2016, Hillary did have more delegates and deserved to win. It’s not like anyone should really cry foul. But if the party elites just tell the voters they’re wrong and put up Bloomberg, even if that is how the (lame) primary rules work, not many of the Bernie supporters are going to vote for him. And I’m not just talking “Bernie Bros” or whatever. He has millions of supporters. I can envision more protest votes from Bernie supporters for Trump than I could votes for Bloomberg in this scenario. 

    And how many people might just be out on the Democratic Party if that happens? Not just Bernie supporters, but people that are just ashamed that their party keeps getting bested by stupid Trump? And Democrats have always been lazier in mid-terms than Republicans. Is the once-enthusiast-about-politics Bernie Sanders supporter going to show up to vote Blue in 2022? Will they care that Trump now has the Senate and the House and he’s just appointed two new conservatives to the Supreme Court? No, and why should they? Oh so their vision of America with Bernie was so dumb that you wouldn’t even entertain it, but now you want them to come back and vote for Buttigieg or Booker or whoever so they can beat Don Jr? Good luck. 

    For the DNC to avoid disaster, they need all these people to drop out soon and leave it to one candidate versus Sanders. I think that’s the only way to avoid a brokered convention. Either pin your hopes on Mini-Mike, roll with Sleepy Joe, go for a long-shot with Alfred E. Neuman, whatever they want. But now is the time to manipulate the race and set up an avenue for beating Sanders at the ballot box, rather than trying to beat him with superdelegates at the convention. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    I agree, brokered convention isn't ideal. It would be worse if they don't nominate the candidate with the most delegates, especially if it's Bernie. The Bro's would go ballistic and hello Trump for 4 more years.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
    You're so woke that you get sexism more than Hedo... who's actually a woman. You probably understand racism better than MLK did too, that's how impressive you are. 
    You’re willfully misreading SC’s posts even after he clarified. Or you are struggling with reading again.         .



        




    Actually, his further response validated my question.

    Why would I vote for anyone based solely (or even mostly) on what lies between their legs?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
    You're so woke that you get sexism more than Hedo... who's actually a woman. You probably understand racism better than MLK did too, that's how impressive you are. 
    You’re willfully misreading SC’s posts even after he clarified. Or you are struggling with reading again.         .



        




    You're struggling with social skills as usual.  But I don't see any clarification that cleans it up.  Hedo thanking me shows me the same.  


  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    hedonist said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
    You're so woke that you get sexism more than Hedo... who's actually a woman. You probably understand racism better than MLK did too, that's how impressive you are. 
    You’re willfully misreading SC’s posts even after he clarified. Or you are struggling with reading again.         .



        




    Actually, his further response validated my question.

    Why would I vote for anyone based solely (or even mostly) on what lies between their legs?
    Why are you assuming that only women would vote for someone because they’re a woman?
  • dignin said:
    I agree, brokered convention isn't ideal. It would be worse if they don't nominate the candidate with the most delegates, especially if it's Bernie. The Bro's would go ballistic and hello Trump for 4 more years.
    Oh yeah that’d be bad no matter the candidate. Like if Pete has a plurality but they have the nomination to Bloomberg. But I think most likely brokered-convention scenario see Sanders showing up with the most delegates. A lot depends on if anyone drops out before Super Tuesday, and who drops out afterward as far as forecasting this thing.  
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
    You're so woke that you get sexism more than Hedo... who's actually a woman. You probably understand racism better than MLK did too, that's how impressive you are. 
    You’re willfully misreading SC’s posts even after he clarified. Or you are struggling with reading again.         .



        




    You're struggling with social skills as usual.  But I don't see any clarification that cleans it up.  Hedo thanking me shows me the same.  


    Keep struggling 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,497
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    When did I say that?

    Sounds like you are the one being sexist now tbh(?)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    dignin said:
    I agree, brokered convention isn't ideal. It would be worse if they don't nominate the candidate with the most delegates, especially if it's Bernie. The Bro's would go ballistic and hello Trump for 4 more years.
    Oh yeah that’d be bad no matter the candidate. Like if Pete has a plurality but they have the nomination to Bloomberg. But I think most likely brokered-convention scenario see Sanders showing up with the most delegates. A lot depends on if anyone drops out before Super Tuesday, and who drops out afterward as far as forecasting this thing.  
    Brokered doesn't help Sanders especially since the SDs play after the first round. But if Sanders has a commanding pledged lead coming into the convention,  it well be hard for the states and the SD to go a different way. One would think he would have a strong advantage. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,497
    edited February 2020
    hedonist said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
    You're so woke that you get sexism more than Hedo... who's actually a woman. You probably understand racism better than MLK did too, that's how impressive you are. 
    You’re willfully misreading SC’s posts even after he clarified. Or you are struggling with reading again.         .



        




    Actually, his further response validated my question.

    Why would I vote for anyone based solely (or even mostly) on what lies between their legs?
    I have not said you do or would?

    Or have said what you claim I have.

    Re-read.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    When did I say that?

    Sounds like you are the one being sexist now tbh(?)
    Shocking!!
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,976
    brianlux said:
    Someone here (gimme?) mentioned "brokered convention" a while back.  If this goes to a brokered convention, what do you all think the outcome would be?
    The end of the Democratic Party maybe?

    Ok...that might be hyperbole. But if Sanders goes in there with the most delegates but not enough to secure the nomination, and the superdelegates give the nomination to Biden or Bloomberg, forget about beating Trump in 2020, start worrying about Don Jr. in 2024. Even if the DNC was against Sanders in 2016, Hillary did have more delegates and deserved to win. It’s not like anyone should really cry foul. But if the party elites just tell the voters they’re wrong and put up Bloomberg, even if that is how the (lame) primary rules work, not many of the Bernie supporters are going to vote for him. And I’m not just talking “Bernie Bros” or whatever. He has millions of supporters. I can envision more protest votes from Bernie supporters for Trump than I could votes for Bloomberg in this scenario. 

    And how many people might just be out on the Democratic Party if that happens? Not just Bernie supporters, but people that are just ashamed that their party keeps getting bested by stupid Trump? And Democrats have always been lazier in mid-terms than Republicans. Is the once-enthusiast-about-politics Bernie Sanders supporter going to show up to vote Blue in 2022? Will they care that Trump now has the Senate and the House and he’s just appointed two new conservatives to the Supreme Court? No, and why should they? Oh so their vision of America with Bernie was so dumb that you wouldn’t even entertain it, but now you want them to come back and vote for Buttigieg or Booker or whoever so they can beat Don Jr? Good luck. 

    For the DNC to avoid disaster, they need all these people to drop out soon and leave it to one candidate versus Sanders. I think that’s the only way to avoid a brokered convention. Either pin your hopes on Mini-Mike, roll with Sleepy Joe, go for a long-shot with Alfred E. Neuman, whatever they want. But now is the time to manipulate the race and set up an avenue for beating Sanders at the ballot box, rather than trying to beat him with superdelegates at the convention. 

    dignin said:
    I agree, brokered convention isn't ideal. It would be worse if they don't nominate the candidate with the most delegates, especially if it's Bernie. The Bro's would go ballistic and hello Trump for 4 more years.

    Good points, both.

    There hasn't been a brokered convention since 1952 and they were routinely brokered before that and the country and politics have changes a lot since then.  So today, if this happens, all bets are off.  This will be an interesting year.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
    You're so woke that you get sexism more than Hedo... who's actually a woman. You probably understand racism better than MLK did too, that's how impressive you are. 
    You’re willfully misreading SC’s posts even after he clarified. Or you are struggling with reading again.         .



        




    You're struggling with social skills as usual.  But I don't see any clarification that cleans it up.  Hedo thanking me shows me the same.  


    Keep struggling 
    RIF
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    Just stop
    You're so woke that you get sexism more than Hedo... who's actually a woman. You probably understand racism better than MLK did too, that's how impressive you are. 
    You’re willfully misreading SC’s posts even after he clarified. Or you are struggling with reading again.         .



        




    You're struggling with social skills as usual.  But I don't see any clarification that cleans it up.  Hedo thanking me shows me the same.  


    Keep struggling 
    RIF

  • So what do you guys think of Amy? Is the surge over? 
    I think it is. She had a poor debate and with her $ and lack of national recognition, she needed to perform amazingly. Her margin for error was the smallest of the bunch 
    I don't. I saw her first advertisement in Virginia this morning. She has raised 12 million since NH.  I sent her $25.00 this week myself. I plan to vote for her in the VA primary.
    I really think all the nay-saying about the field needs to stop. Candidates can run or drop out at their own discretion and should not be pressured just so Sanders or Biden can be our nominee. It's BS. Let the voters decide.

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,497
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    When did I say that?

    Sounds like you are the one being sexist now tbh(?)
    Honestly I don't think you're sexist at all,  even if you're not perfect.  
    Just start reading things twice, instead of reading things completely wrong and throwing out "sexist" against posters like they are some kind of Bloombergs.
    Post edited by Kat on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:

    The problem is four candidates are similar to Amy and two similar to Bernie. Even if far fewer vote “socialist” Bernie wants to change the rules so he wins based on that simple math.
    From what I've seen, many vote based on personality, the candidate and other factors. So the whole "the moderate block" is bigger isn't completely failsafe.

    E.g. Saw somewhere that Warrens lost voters went to Buttagieg more than Bernie. And many Biden voters having Bernie as their second choice etc.

    I would also guess many Amy voters and many Liz voters would go to eachother, based on them being women.
    What? Because women wouldn’t be capable of choosing their candidate regardless of gender?
    When did I say that?
    Above, bolded.  I don't think I misread your comment, but apologies if I did.
    Based on the candidates (Amy and Warren) being women.
    That's kind of sexist,  to believe that women vote primarily on gender. 
    When did I say that?

    Sounds like you are the one being sexist now tbh(?)
    Honestly I don't think you're sexist at all,  even if you're not perfect. 
    Just start reading things twice, instead of reading things completely wrong and throwing out "sexist" like I'm some kind of Bloomberg.
    I'm clearly not the only person who read it that way.  One of the few females that frequent the site read it the same.  So maybe you should read twice before you hit "post comment".  
    Post edited by Kat on
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