Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg on cover of TIME

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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
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    EV
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    benjs said:
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
    Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    PJ_Soul said:
    Part of the issue with cost is actually in the financing. I can always get 0-1.9% financing from the car mfgrs I’ve bought. Tesla does not offer that. 

    Nice cars and I would want one, but you make it all wheel drive, add in the color cost, add in the self-driving (and why would you buy a Tesla without it???)...it’s not cheap.
    But you would only spend maybe $20 - $40 a month on making it go. The savings on gas are truly massive, and literally pay for the car within 10 years. I have no idea why people think it's not affordable to buy an e-car (it doesn't have to be a Tesla) when you no longer have to buy gas when you get one.
    I’ve done the math. I keep doing it. I’ll be buying another car within the next 2 years likely. We will see how it pans out but as of today the financial aspect isn’t the driving force I hoped it would be.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    benjs said:
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
    Dude.  I really could give a flying fuck what some random dude who I’ve never met cares.  Read some of your own post.  Talk about arrogant.

    and yes “a fool and is money is soon departed”

    hey...but what do I know about money...


    Give Peas A Chance…
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
    Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?
    I'm not sure of the rules, you'd have to ask meltdown99. He seems to feel if you can afford to have the latest, you're a fool for doing so.
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    EV
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Does Tesla and these electric car manufacturers even pay attention to consumer trends.   People are buying SUV’s and Trucks.  I know Tesla has an SUV (hate to imagine the Tesla price on an SUV).
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
    Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?

    Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
    Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?

    Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.  
    Me?  Hell no.  Lol

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
    edited October 2019
    benjs said:
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
    Dude.  I really could give a flying fuck what some random dude who I’ve never met cares.  Read some of your own post.  Talk about arrogant.

    and yes “a fool and is money is soon departed”

    hey...but what do I know about money...


    I don't believe I've ever called anyone (let alone all new car owners) a fool on here. If I has, it hasn't been based on nonsense blanket statements, it's been in direct response to foolish statements. I've also been called out on my own, noted it, apologized when I should have, and hopefully learned from it.

    On my bolded statement, you seem to have forgotten that people make varying degrees of money, and have different levels of savings/budgets/expenses/priorities than yourself. 

    Finally, we're predominantly random people we've each never met. If that's the bar you set for what you care about, or whose opinions you'll reject when you disagree with them, it makes sense that you show such little respect.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
    Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?

    Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.  
    Me?  Hell no.  Lol

    That’s good to know.  From purely financial stand point buying a new car is foolish.  I’ve never leased.  I buy used and let the people who have to the latest take the hit, I don’t to spend 40 grand to have the latest trend.  I am also a Jeep loyalist..no way I can afford new.  Then I drive them until it’s worth less than 500.  Usually 8-12 years and I usually buy 4 year Old low click SUV’s.   
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    It seems whenever someone does something different than what Meltdown would do, they are a fool. 

    Meltdown i I would like to thank you for your perfect presence here. If you are here posting, that let’s me know that’s the right thing to do. So I feel good about my choices (some of them) now.


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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    edited October 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
    Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?

    Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.  
    Me?  Hell no.  Lol

    That’s good to know.  From purely financial stand point buying a new car is foolish.  I’ve never leased.  I buy used and let the people who have to the latest take the hit, I don’t to spend 40 grand to have the latest trend.  I am also a Jeep loyalist..no way I can afford new.  Then I drive them until it’s worth less than 500.  Usually 8-12 years and I usually buy 4 year Old low click SUV’s.   
    My Honda Pilot haD 180,000 miles on it before I traded it in last week for our new Kia telluride.   I got a cool thousand bucks for the Pilot lol. 
    I m now driving a grand Cherokee, definitely a nice truck but I like other suv s better.  
    The problem with used cars imo is you are inheriting someone else’s headache however I have gone against my own opinion and bought plenty of used cars.  In fact the telluride was the first new car I have ever owned (even though my wife drives it and not me lol). 
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    what in the what?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/got-start-eating-babies-ocasio-082106016.html

    'We Got to Start Eating Babies': Ocasio-Cortez Town Hall Hears Bizarre Climate Change Proposal

    A town hall event hosted by Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez took a turn for the bizarre on October 3 when a woman speaking from the floor urged the eating of babies as a necessary step in the fight against climate change.

    “We only have a few months left,” the woman said, continuing: “I love that you support the green deal, but it’s not getting rid of fossil fuel, it’s not going to solve the problem fast enough. A Swedish professor [said] we can eat dead people but that’s not fast enough. So I think your next campaign slogan has to be this: ‘We got to start eating babies!’ We don’t have enough time! There is too much CO2.”

    Ocasio-Cortez responded saying, “luckily we have more than a few months.” She said “net zero” CO2 needed to be hit in several years. “We are never beyond hope,” she said. Credit: C-SPAN via Storyful

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    People loyal to one car company are fools.

    And as far as eating babies, hasn't anyone read The Road?
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    dignin said:
    People loyal to one car company are fools.

    And as far as eating babies, hasn't anyone read The Road?
    That book gave me nightmares.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    People loyal to one car company are fools.

    And as far as eating babies, hasn't anyone read The Road?
    That book gave me nightmares.
    I still think about it every once in awhile when I think about climate change. It is the stuff of nightmares.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Eating all the babies will reduce CO2 emissions from humans.  That is a scientific fact.  No one can argue against this.  
  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839

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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    I haven't had a car payment in 25 years.  single biggest waste of money people spend money on.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    edited October 2019
    Smellyman said:
    I haven't had a car payment in 25 years.  single biggest waste of money people spend money on.
    Because you never owned a car or had enough money to buy it outright?
    and if there is no interest how is it a waste of money?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • benjs said:
    Tesla might adjust prices somewhat.  But they will never be affordable to the masses.  New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable.  But where the ICE is a winner is the used market.  Only a fool buys a new vehicle.  But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit.  The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much.  The product should sell itself...
    You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).
    Dude.  I really could give a flying fuck what some random dude who I’ve never met cares.  Read some of your own post.  Talk about arrogant.

    and yes “a fool and is money is soon departed”

    hey...but what do I know about money...


    the saying is "soon parted" not "departed". 

    you must study your sayings from George W Bush. 
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  • Jason P said:
    Eating all the babies will reduce CO2 emissions from humans.  That is a scientific fact.  No one can argue against this.  
    LOL. saw that this morning. 
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    what in the what?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/got-start-eating-babies-ocasio-082106016.html

    'We Got to Start Eating Babies': Ocasio-Cortez Town Hall Hears Bizarre Climate Change Proposal

    A town hall event hosted by Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez took a turn for the bizarre on October 3 when a woman speaking from the floor urged the eating of babies as a necessary step in the fight against climate change.

    “We only have a few months left,” the woman said, continuing: “I love that you support the green deal, but it’s not getting rid of fossil fuel, it’s not going to solve the problem fast enough. A Swedish professor [said] we can eat dead people but that’s not fast enough. So I think your next campaign slogan has to be this: ‘We got to start eating babies!’ We don’t have enough time! There is too much CO2.”

    Ocasio-Cortez responded saying, “luckily we have more than a few months.” She said “net zero” CO2 needed to be hit in several years. “We are never beyond hope,” she said. Credit: C-SPAN via Storyful

    A modest proposal!
  • as if that person wasn't either a nutjob or a GOP plant. come on. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    as if that person wasn't either a nutjob or a GOP plant. come on. 
    I want to know which Swedish professor thinks it is ok to eat babies.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    mcgruff10 said:
    as if that person wasn't either a nutjob or a GOP plant. come on. 
    I want to know which Swedish professor thinks it is ok to eat babies.  

    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • mcgruff10 said:
    as if that person wasn't either a nutjob or a GOP plant. come on. 
    I want to know which Swedish professor thinks it is ok to eat babies.  
    ok, I just noticed it said swedish professor. I'd like to see some bloody credentials, and if they are, hopefully she isn't tenured. if that exists in sweden. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    mcgruff10 said:
    as if that person wasn't either a nutjob or a GOP plant. come on. 
    I want to know which Swedish professor thinks it is ok to eat babies.  
    ok, I just noticed it said swedish professor. I'd like to see some bloody credentials, and if they are, hopefully she isn't tenured. if that exists in sweden. 
    Found it:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/cannibalism-eating-human-flesh-climate-change-2019-9
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    as if that person wasn't either a nutjob or a GOP plant. come on. 
    I want to know which Swedish professor thinks it is ok to eat babies.  
    ok, I just noticed it said swedish professor. I'd like to see some bloody credentials, and if they are, hopefully she isn't tenured. if that exists in sweden. 
    Found it:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/cannibalism-eating-human-flesh-climate-change-2019-9
    that is so preposterous. this woman at the town hall was shouting "eat the babies", not "let's harvest the meant of our dead". And as we already know, science is already at the point where growing fake meat in a lab is a reality, so this will never be needed. 
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    I haven't had a car payment in 25 years.  single biggest waste of money people spend money on.
    Because you never owned a car or had enough money to buy it outright?
    and if there is no interest how is it a waste of money?
    I retired at 42, some of the reason why, not wasting money on car payments.
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