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And who would they tell and how did they know a gang rape would occur at this particular party. A couple of guys hanging around outside a bedroom door, you can shove that stuff way down into your subconscious cause you know that if you tell, you are next.njnancy said:
My opinion is that you have no idea how anyone felt about it.mace1229 said:
My opinion, if you are aware that a train of numerous boys gang rape a girl and yu say and do nothing, and you continue to attend said parties, then that means you are okay with it.njnancy said:
Who says that they were okay with it? How does someone commit a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.
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Refresh my memory, did you vote for Trump? Maybe you get where I'm going with this if so...mace1229 said:
My opinion, if you are aware that a train of numerous boys gang rape a girl and yu say and do nothing, and you continue to attend said parties, then that means you are okay with it.njnancy said:
Who says that they were okay with it? How does someone commit a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.
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You seem to just be ignoring what people are saying about this.mace1229 said:
My opinion, if you are aware that a train of numerous boys gang rape a girl and yu say and do nothing, and you continue to attend said parties, then that means you are okay with it.njnancy said:
Who says that they were okay with it? How does someone commit a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.
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Trump says accusations of sexual misconduct against him affect his view of Kavanaugh accusers
September 26 at 5:48 PMBy Washington Post StaffPresident Trump was pressed by reporters about the allegations of sexual impropriety against Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh.
“Well, it does impact my opinion, you know why? Because I’ve had a lot of false charges made against me,” Trump said at a news conference Wednesday. “So when I see it I view it differently than somebody sitting at home watching television.”
Trump defended Kavanaugh but raised the possibility that he could be persuaded to withdraw the nomination based on the testimony from one of Kavanaugh’s accusers on Thursday.
This is a developing story. It will be updated.
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What do you consider “a train of numerous boys?” How many in that train? How do you think they line up? With their dicks out? If you saw said line, would you know it was a train, either back then or today? While it may have been obvious to the woman making the claim, it may not have been obvious to other potential witnesses. You seem to expect everyone to be keen or knowledgeable about what goes on at house parties. The woman making the allegation was older, maybe 19 or 20 at the time. Why do you think college upper class men guys invite freshman girls to their parties?mace1229 said:
My opinion, if you are aware that a train of numerous boys gang rape a girl and yu say and do nothing, and you continue to attend said parties, then that means you are okay with it.njnancy said:
Who says that they were okay with it? How does someone commit a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.
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Do you remember the prevalence of the “date rape drug” sexual assaults that were happening a few years back and how the issue evolved from classifying it as a drug and eventually making it a felony to possess and use it in the fashion to how it was used? Women were being raped left and right and because the women had no recollection of what or who, guys were getting away with rape like crazy. The laws changed, huge PR campaign, education efforts on the danger and now, it’s not nearly the problem it once was.cincybearcat said:
I gotta ask, is it really common for girls to think guys are drugging or getting girls drunk, locking them in a room and guys lining up outside the room each taking a turn? That doesn;t seem common at all to me. I'm sure the drugging/alcohol could probably be called common...but gang bangs? Really? Without any girls saying anything? I sure hope that's not common. And it's what has me interested in her perspective as to why she and no one else said anything.PJ_Soul said:
It's common, not unusual. You can find girls who do this in literally every high school and college in America.cincybearcat said:
You know it has no bearing on this SCOTUS appointment but it is a very good question to be asking her (ask to understand). Cause that is some seriously scaring shit right there. Knowing what is going on and continually putting yourself at risk....scary indeed.my2hands said:Question: she knows these guys are drugging and gang raping girls in 1981... and she continues to hang out with them, becoming a victim herself in 1982?
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Let me guess, you voted for Hilary? The same one who attacked her husnamd’s victims and stood by and supported him?tbergs said:
Refresh my memory, did you vote for Trump? Maybe you get where I'm going with this if so...mace1229 said:
My opinion, if you are aware that a train of numerous boys gang rape a girl and yu say and do nothing, and you continue to attend said parties, then that means you are okay with it.njnancy said:
Who says that they were okay with it? How does someone commit a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.
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I usually copy the title of the article, and then highlight that, copy the URL and paste it into the link box (click the link button to get the box). Like this:
“I WAS ASHAMED”: AFTER FORD’S ACCUSATION, A GENERATION OF HOLTON-ARMS ALUMNAE WRESTLE WITH THEIR OWN TRUTHS—TOGETHER
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I did the copy and paste in the url box but it only printed the url - this is the article though - thank you.jeffbr said:I usually copy the title of the article, and then highlight that, copy the URL and paste it into the link box (click the link button to get the box). Like this:“I WAS ASHAMED”: AFTER FORD’S ACCUSATION, A GENERATION OF HOLTON-ARMS ALUMNAE WRESTLE WITH THEIR OWN TRUTHS—TOGETHER
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You asked. Sorry you didn’t like my honest answer.njnancy said:
My opinion is that you have no idea how anyone felt about it.mace1229 said:
My opinion, if you are aware that a train of numerous boys gang rape a girl and yu say and do nothing, and you continue to attend said parties, then that means you are okay with it.njnancy said:
Who says that they were okay with it? How does someone commit a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.
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If they didn’t know then that’s a different story.
But from the few who have described these parties I’ve goten the impression that this was common and normal and therefore no secret. Maybe I read too much into that, but if that’s true then I stand by my answer.
For the record I haven’t once defended judge K, just stated that there seems to be enough holes in some of the stories to make me ask questions. It seems like some don’t want any questions to be asked, just let mob rule instead.0 -
If you read the article in the The New Yorker you will hear about how Mark Judge confessed to his then girlfriend of 3 years that he was involved in a"train" on a girl in that time period. All of this shit adds up.mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.0 -
People are telling you their own experiences in these situations. Multiple people have explained how they felt, the culture of the time, how they were not okay with it. People may know that something is going on but not really know. As a person gets older they look back and see things in a clearer light. There is no mob rule, there is debate. But in debate there should come a point when you read what multiple people say they lived through and think that maybe you didn't have that experience and so maybe you can't understand. Or you can say we are all full of shit. Doesn't change my reality.mace1229 said:
You asked. Sorry you didn’t like my honest answer.njnancy said:
My opinion is that you have no idea how anyone felt about it.mace1229 said:
My opinion, if you are aware that a train of numerous boys gang rape a girl and yu say and do nothing, and you continue to attend said parties, then that means you are okay with it.njnancy said:
Who says that they were okay with it? How does someone commit a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.
(I lied, I stayed)
If they didn’t know then that’s a different story.
But from the few who have described these parties I’ve goten the impression that this was common and normal and therefore no secret. Maybe I read too much into that, but if that’s true then I stand by my answer.
For the record I haven’t once defended judge K, just stated that there seems to be enough holes in some of the stories to make me ask questions. It seems like some don’t want any questions to be asked, just let mob rule instead.0 -
So the pattern seems to be that you put the onus on the women when men behave badly. Thanks for clarifying. I suppose we could just says both sides here too and call it good.mace1229 said:
Let me guess, you voted for Hilary? The same one who attacked her husnamd’s victims and stood by and supported him?tbergs said:
Refresh my memory, did you vote for Trump? Maybe you get where I'm going with this if so...mace1229 said:
My opinion, if you are aware that a train of numerous boys gang rape a girl and yu say and do nothing, and you continue to attend said parties, then that means you are okay with it.njnancy said:
Who says that they were okay with it? How does someone commit a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.
(I lied, I stayed)
Youre wrong, I don’t see where going with this.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
I was at a party where this happened. She wasn't drugged, but was blasted.cincybearcat said:
I gotta ask, is it really common for girls to think guys are drugging or getting girls drunk, locking them in a room and guys lining up outside the room each taking a turn? That doesn;t seem common at all to me. I'm sure the drugging/alcohol could probably be called common...but gang bangs? Really? Without any girls saying anything? I sure hope that's not common. And it's what has me interested in her perspective as to why she and no one else said anything.PJ_Soul said:
It's common, not unusual. You can find girls who do this in literally every high school and college in America.cincybearcat said:
You know it has no bearing on this SCOTUS appointment but it is a very good question to be asking her (ask to understand). Cause that is some seriously scaring shit right there. Knowing what is going on and continually putting yourself at risk....scary indeed.my2hands said:Question: she knows these guys are drugging and gang raping girls in 1981... and she continues to hang out with them, becoming a victim herself in 1982?
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You know who doesn’t want questions asked? I’ll help you out: Judge Kavanaugh, Senator Grassley, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Team Trump Treason, the repub party and Mark Judge. They’re the ones that don’t want questions asked and certainly not questions asked by the FBI. Yea, mob rule.mace1229 said:
You asked. Sorry you didn’t like my honest answer.njnancy said:
My opinion is that you have no idea how anyone felt about it.mace1229 said:
My opinion, if you are aware that a train of numerous boys gang rape a girl and yu say and do nothing, and you continue to attend said parties, then that means you are okay with it.njnancy said:
Who says that they were okay with it? How does someone commit a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?mace1229 said:
I just reread her statement. I thought she said hundreds at the party. She didnt, she didn't say how many were at the parties. But taking into account that others had described these parties with numbers into the hundreds, that she described a "train of numerous boys" in line, by all accounts most of these give the impression of very large parties. I have to assume not every boy at the party was in on the raping, and there was more than 1 or 2 girls showing up. So it would be same to put the numbers in several dozen. SO my point remains the same, even if 30 people at a party instead of 100. How do 20 witnesses see a gang rape and be okay with it on a regular basis?Halifax2TheMax said:
Where are you getting the "hundreds" number from? Its not likely that there were hundreds of witnesses 35 or 36 years ago. Georgetown Prep has a current boarding and day school enrollment of 491 students. Holten Arms has a current enrollment of 655 students in grades 1 through 12. How do you know "hundreds of people were aware?" Ever been to a house or frat party, or any party with hundreds of people? Ever notice how there were multiple smaller parties going on in different parts of the house, field, room, basement, woods, etc.?mace1229 said:
I dont agree with that, not to this extreme.oftenreading said:Old habits die hard, it seems. Once again some are putting the onus on the women to stop men’s behaviour. ”Why did the women hang around and let this happen?” “Why didn’t they just walk out and refuse to go to any other parties?” “Why didn’t they report it to their parents or the police”.
Why didn’t actresses just refuse to meet with Harvey Weinstein? Because they all knew that was what you had to do, to get work, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why don’t female employees and executives just refuse to go along with workplace harassment? Because they all know that is what you have to do to keep your job, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why didn’t female students just walk out of parties, report the harassment to their parents and teaches and police? Because they all knew that is what you put up with from men to be accepted, and they didn’t see any way of changing the system.
Why is it always up to the women to stop men’s behaviour?
Sure, some rude behavior, maybe some touching even. But a full on line of guys waiting their turn for a rape?
I have to ask myself what is more plausible:
That this third accusation is accurate and that hundreds of people were aware, men and women, that multiple girls were getting raped by dozens of men on a regular basis and not a single one of them were decent enough of human beings to report a gang rape, or that this story is at best exaggerated or possible made up?
I just don't buy the "rat" defense, high school students, even in the 80s, knew that a gang rape was wrong. You could maybe scare 1 or 2 witnesses into silence, but not hundreds as described.
I'm not saying I know she's making this up, but I can say there are parts of this story that don't add up to me and make me question it.
Some people seem to lack life experience, are completely unaware of the psychology and sociology behind human behavior or just don't want to believe women. Or, if they're not convicted in a court of law, there is no validity to the allegations. Was Bill Clinton convicted? Yet y'all so willingly view him as guilty as charged. And give Trump a pass.
(I lied, I stayed)
If they didn’t know then that’s a different story.
But from the few who have described these parties I’ve goten the impression that this was common and normal and therefore no secret. Maybe I read too much into that, but if that’s true then I stand by my answer.
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You've never been to a frat party, have you?cincybearcat said:
I gotta ask, is it really common for girls to think guys are drugging or getting girls drunk, locking them in a room and guys lining up outside the room each taking a turn? That doesn;t seem common at all to me. I'm sure the drugging/alcohol could probably be called common...but gang bangs? Really? Without any girls saying anything? I sure hope that's not common. And it's what has me interested in her perspective as to why she and no one else said anything.PJ_Soul said:
It's common, not unusual. You can find girls who do this in literally every high school and college in America.cincybearcat said:
You know it has no bearing on this SCOTUS appointment but it is a very good question to be asking her (ask to understand). Cause that is some seriously scaring shit right there. Knowing what is going on and continually putting yourself at risk....scary indeed.my2hands said:Question: she knows these guys are drugging and gang raping girls in 1981... and she continues to hang out with them, becoming a victim herself in 1982?
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