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  • I think one of the lessons learned here, from watching bits and pieces of both sides the last couple weeks, is how people making false accusations can ruin a person's life and also the integrity of the media.  "I've got one thing I must confess, we try our criminals in the press, justice is a fading light"--Sheryl Crow.   I believe Ford--not sure about the other ladies.  I believe, too, that he could still be forgiven and elected to the Supreme Court.  They just wanted to make a point about how thorough of a background check a candidate of such an important position should have.  They were being tested, in my opinion.  In the end, she had a right to be heard.
    Why should anyone be “forgiven” who does not acknowledge responsibility, genuinely apologize and attempt to change their behaviour? 
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    PJ_Soul said:
    Well, when the Senators express condolences to Kavanaugh and his family, that is code for "we don't believe her." So there you go - minds made up. He said/she lied, as far as they are concerned.
    And the ones who added Dr. Ford as a side note were too cowardly to say it to her face. 
  • With that said, I hope Kavanaugh doesn't make it through because of the building power the Republicans seem to be gaining in the Supreme Court arena.  It is a shame that a man's reputation would be somewhat ruined because of the man he used to be.  I sympathize, but then I remember how myself and other loved ones have been screwed over so royally in the last couple years.  It only takes a legion of demons to discredit a person's life and reputation.  They can rewrite history if they want to.  Hell, they can even erase memories these days.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited September 2018
    Why should anyone tainted by this much controversy and a clear sense of angry partisanship with multiple sexual assault accusations against him be considered a reasonable choice for a lifetime appointment to the SCOTUS?
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    There was no reason for Trump, the GOP or BK to ever go a different route. They're banking on the same group that elected a sexual assaulter to not care about these unproven accusations. One day people that still think this way will go the way of the KKK and Nazi fucks; disgraced dark reaches of society. We're just not quite ready yet.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Posts: 3,988
    edited September 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    Why should anyone tainted by this much controversy and a clear sense of angry partisanship with multiple sexual assault accusations against him be considered a reasonable choice for a lifetime appointment to the SCOTUS?

    Go ask Mitch McConnell. I mean, I know you're asking a rhetorical question.

    Edit to add: Have you seen who's in the White House? These traits are not dealbreakers for GOP leadership.
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  • Anyone still wondering why women don’t report?

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  • mfc2006 said:
    Someone actually wants to bet about whether or not these assaults happened? Are you fucking serious?? 
    Hell yeah!  You down?  Although honestly I’d much rather Halifax-  he burps up most of the santorum we see in amt.
    I’m not taking that bet. The repubs are in lock step and Kavanaugh will be confirmed. Congratulations.
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    PJ_Soul said:
    Why should anyone tainted by this much controversy and partisanship with multiple sexual assault accusations against him be considered a reasonable choice for a lifetime appointment to the SCOTUS?
    He lied, he was belligerent and his opening statement was openly partisan. These should be disqualifying in a normal world. But we are not living in a normal world right now. None of this is normal.
  • Anyone still wondering why women don’t report?


    Or why we don't even talk about it, most of the time. It's exhausting and, apparently, pointless.

    I'm beyond angry. I don't even know what I'm feeling, or if there's a word for it.
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    edited September 2018
    Anyone still wondering why women don’t report?


    Or why we don't even talk about it, most of the time. It's exhausting and, apparently, pointless.

    I'm beyond angry. I don't even know what I'm feeling, or if there's a word for it.
    I am with both of you. I am exhausted and depressed. I could be very angry but I won't allow myself to be eaten up by a belligerent drunk.

    Talking about it and thinking it will matter does seem pointless right now, but we should never stop. That's what they want. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    I'm surprised they didn't rise for the anthem, recite the pledge of allegiance and then thank the almighty (Trump) for providing them their daily bread before BK was sworn in today.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • A bit of free advice.  Stop watching news on tv.    Find objective sources.  Granted that’s near impossible right now, so question everything including your own beliefs.  People you see on tv are not the majority of people.  It’s convenient to paint people in those broad strokes.  But remember, they’re all after a buck.
    Care to speculate what our “objective “ sources were today?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    I wonder what Anthony Kennedy and his Deuche Bank son think about all this?
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  • LizardLizard Posts: 12,091
    As one commentator said.. .they can believe that Dr. Ford was assaulted but JUST cannot believe it was Brett. Or Bart... 

    and those lame meanings he gave for his yearbook entries 
    (rolls eyes)
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  • wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Tragic thing is it's impossible to prove after so long..Had she said something 36 years ago and got it on record somehow...I think her story is true and his dodging the FBI investigation is my smoking gun.He should be insisting on it to defend his story and clear his name..Not allowing Judge to testify is mind blowing. You would think Republicans would want him there to back up ass hat..
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    njnancy said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Why should anyone tainted by this much controversy and partisanship with multiple sexual assault accusations against him be considered a reasonable choice for a lifetime appointment to the SCOTUS?
    He lied, he was belligerent and his opening statement was openly partisan. These should be disqualifying in a normal world. But we are not living in a normal world right now. None of this is normal.
    Agreed. A Supreme Court justice should be an honorable, impartial jurist. BK came off as a hot-headed, partisan hack. Yelling, scowling, deflecting with Clinton references, lying. Those are normal traits for a Trump cabinet position, but not the SCOTUS.
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    As Dear Leader told his adoring base "What you're reading and what you're seeing is not what's happening." 

    These are truly terrifying times. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    She was a bright light on a dark day.

    If anyone is down about what a disgrace the GOP was today just remember how courageous she was today.

    Fuck Kavanaugh that lying piece of shit.
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095

    HOW DARE YOU?!
    HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO BRETT KAVANAUGH?
    HOW DARE YOU DENY HIM THIS SEAT?!

    Listen, NO, YOU listen!
    Do you know who Brett Kavanaugh is? Brett Kavanaugh went to Georgetown Prep!
    BRETT KAVANAUGH IS AN OPTIMIST WHO LOOKS ON THE SUNSHINE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN!
    BRETT KAVANAUGH IS NOT YELLING!
    YOU’RE YELLING!

    If Brett does not secure a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court, this country will be IN SHAMBLES! THIS IS HIS BIRTHRIGHT! Do you know how embarrassing it is for a Georgetown Prep graduate to NOT be on the Supreme Court? They are literally 12 PERCENT of the court! THIS IS PROBABLY THE WORST INDIGNITY YOU CAN INFLICT ON A HUMAN BEING!

    ALL BRETT IS ASKING FOR IS DUE PROCESS! DUE PROCESS BEFORE HE IS DEPRIVED OF HIS GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO A SEAT ON THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND, WHERE HE WILL DETERMINE THE FATES OF MILLIONS!

    Apply the standard you want to apply to your husband-brother-son. He should be allowed to be careless. He should be allowed to like beer.
    BRETT LIKES BEER!
    WHO DOESN’T LIKE BEER!
    BRETT ISN’T YELLING!
    YOU’RE YELLING!
    THIS IS A CON JOB!
    THIS IS A FARCE!
    YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!
    THIS IS BRETT’S SEAT!

    The Founders did not break from Britain so a landed white gentleman accused of sexual misconduct could NOT be given FREE REIN over the lives of millions!

    If you give this woman credence, you will start a terrible trend. THINK OF ALL THE CARELESS PREP SCHOOL BOYS WHO WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO SIT ON THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND! WOMEN WHO HAVE SUFFERED TRAUMA WILL BE ALLOWED TO GET ON PLANES WILLY-NILLY — EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE FRIGHTENED!

    You are going to deny a qualified man. The treasurer of Keg Club — DO YOU HEAR HIM, HE WAS KEG CLUB TREASURER! AND A RENATE ALUMNIUS! HOW DARE YOU DENY A KEG CLUB TREASURER AND RENATE ALUMNIUS A SUPREME COURT SEAT?!

    ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE HER, AMERICA? OVER HIM, AMERICA?

    YOU HEARD THE WOMAN! SHE DOESN’T EVEN LIKE TO FLY! YET SHE FLEW HERE! SHE DOESN’T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS OF THE EVENING, WHEREAS HE KEPT A CALENDAR, LIKE HIS FATHER BEFORE HIM!

    HE IS NOT EMOTIONAL!
    YOU ARE EMOTIONAL!
    NO, YOU LISTEN!

    If this is how you are going to behave, if you are going to believe this woman, if you will let her stand there and destroy his life (well, not his life, technically, nor his freedom, just his chance of a seat on the highest court in the land), then what kind of country is this going to be?

    They are going to drag him here in front of all these OTHER MEN and deny him a seat on the Supreme Court, and he will have to walk home confused and disoriented, and he will have to live with the feeling that he is NOT ON THE SUPREME COURT for as long as he lives. Whenever he gets on a plane and sits in his seat, he will think of the seat HE IS NOT IN.

    This is OPPRESSION! TO BE DENIED POWER OVER OTHERS! IF THAT IS NOT WHAT IT IS, DO NOT TELL ME.

    He should be given exactly as much benefit of the doubt as we would not give a black man shot in his own apartment by police. HE DESERVES IT! IT IS HIS BIRTHRIGHT. HE WENT TO GEORGETOWN PREP.

    As President Trump said, “This is beyond Supreme Court. This is everything to do with our country. When you are guilty until proven innocent, it’s just not supposed to be that way. Always I’ve heard you’re innocent until proven guilty. I’ve heard this so long. It’s such a beautiful phrase. In this case, you’re guilty until proven innocent. I think that is a very dangerous standard for our country.”

    IT IS TRUE! No man should be deprived of his life, liberty or the deciding seat on the highest court in the land without DUE PROCESS. THIS SHOULD BE HIS. The right to decide the fates of millions is one a man like him is born with, ONE OF THOSE INALIENABLE RIGHTS, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN FROM HIM WITHOUT BEAUTIFUL DUE PROCESS!

    NOW HIS WORLD IS FALLING APART! NOW HE IS BEING FORCED TO GO OVER HIS HIGH SCHOOL BEHAVIOR WITH A FINE-TOOTHED COMB! THIS IS NOT FAIR! THIS SCRUTINY! THIS DEMAND TO ACCOUNT! HE DESERVES THIS POWER! GIVE IT TO HIM! STOP ASKING HIM THESE QUESTIONS! STOP TRYING TO SLOW THIS TRAIN DOWN! THIS TRAIN HAD BETTER GET WHERE IT IS GOING, OR SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN!

    STOP SAYING THINGS! SHHH! BE QUIET! STOP RESISTING BRETT KAVANAUGH. STOP TRYING TO STOP HIM.
    NO, LISTEN! LISTEN!

    HE DESERVES THIS!

    LISTEN, YOU DON’T DESERVE THIS. AMERICA DOESN’T DESERVE BRETT KAVANAUGH ON THE SUPREME COURT.

    IF THIS IS HOW AMERICA IS GOING TO BEHAVE,
    IT DOESN’T DESERVE BRETT KAVANAUGH AT ALL!

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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    dignin said:
    She was a bright light on a dark day.

    If anyone is down about what a disgrace the GOP was today just remember how courageous she was today.

    Fuck Kavanaugh that lying piece of shit.
    Thank you for that perspective. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Just imagine how angry and unhinged this guy gets when he's blacked out drunk.
  • dignin said:
    Just imagine how angry and unhinged this guy gets when he's blacked out drunk.
    Or refused a kiss or pushed away.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    dignin said:
    Just imagine how angry and unhinged this guy gets when he's blacked out drunk.
    Or refused a kiss or pushed away.

  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    A woman claims to be sexually abused and named her accuser. The woman takes a lie detector tests, passes and asks for an independent investigation.

    The person in question denies it but does not want an investigation. 

    Who’s lying?
  • wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Lie detectors are a cop trick..never take one
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  • Welp, that was a waste of a day.  A few things we learned though:

    -Kavanaugh will be our newest scotus
    -dems didn’t care for Ford at all, other than to use her as a weapon against trumps nomination
    -dens looked like a bunch of bullshit artists using weaponized politics to weep their way to delaying an otherwise sure thing
    -poor ms Ford will be the forgotten disaster, wasted and used by her depraved party for their own sad loss- at entirely her expense

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Welp, that was a waste of a day.  A few things we learned though:

    -Kavanaugh will be our newest scotus
    -dems didn’t care for Ford at all, other than to use her as a weapon against trumps nomination
    -dens looked like a bunch of bullshit artists using weaponized politics to weep their way to delaying an otherwise sure thing
    -poor ms Ford will be the forgotten disaster, wasted and used by her depraved party for their own sad loss- at entirely her expense

    You voted for a serial sexual assaulter. Nobody cares about what you think you learned.
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