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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096


    mrussel1 said:

    njnancy said:
    Do these Republican Senators realize how horrible they sound. Graham's 'outrage' is nauseating. 
    They are trying to make this about the process, rather than the accusation.  A noble attempt I suppose but it's a stretch. 
    I just don't understand the absolute anger coming from Graham in particular. He could speak about process without being insensitive, dismissive and patronizing. He prosecuted rape cases as a JAG lawyer - he knows better.

     It's a hopeless situation and I'm starting to believe that this hopeless situation is what 'they're' trying to achieve.
  • unsung said:
    Voting in November has never been more important how do these old white guys look themselves in the mirrors and smile and how do their wives lay next to them at night ...
    Stop being racist.
    How is that racist?
    Its not. 

    All these Republicans on this cmte are white. 

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited September 2018
    Yes that came out last night but from a totally anonymous source....
    Sounds like it was a woman he was dating at the time actually - that doesn't sound too anonymous to me, i.e. we don't know her name, likely for their privacy, but some people certainly know who this person is, including Kavanaugh.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    PJ_Soul said:
    njnancy said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I thought Chris Matthews made a good point on Meet the Press this past Sunday morning.  He said that Ford had a right as a good, responsible citizen to come forward about what happened.  He said it is in the public's best interest to know of any such flaws of a man, that if gone undetected and kept silent, could still manifest in the future.  Just because you sweep all those teenage problems under the rug doesn't mean that some darkness of that character is still not there.  I am paraphrasing all this, of course.  This is my take on it.  Kavanaugh seems to have a spotless reputation in adulthood, so I would like to think that all this has not ruined his reputation like Trump says.  I do believe there are women and lawyers who will make up stories that aren't true.  However, I watched a little of Ford's testimony, enough to be convinced she is telling the truth and was a person violated a long time ago who tried her best to keep it quiet. I give the Republicans some credit for even having heard her out.  I guess its not the Holocaust just yet.  We still have that blessed freedom of speech. 
    Well now we have a woman saying he was sexually aggressive in the 2000s, so... yeah.
    When did this come out? Is this a 5th accuser?
    I don't even know now. But some woman has claimed that he pushed her up against a wall in a sexually aggressive manner in a bar when he was drunk, or something like that. I just saw that yesterday I think (edit: oh sorry, it allegedly happened in 1998).
    That was one of two more that came out yesterday - it was reported to Cory Gardner (R-CO). He had a girlfriend during the Starr hearings period of his life and after a night of drinking, he allegedly pushed his girlfriend's friend against the wall while they were leaving the bar, in a sexually and violent manner. The friend is still traumatized and contacted the then girlfriend but they decided to remain anonymous in their letter to Gardner. When asked about this by the Senate investigative committee Kavanaugh denied everything. When asked if he had a girlfriend at this time, he asked for a description and without one he couldn't confirm her existence. 

    This is what was alleged and I have paraphrased. 

    There was also a 1985 allegation reported to Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) about an incident on a boat by both Mark Judge and Kavanaugh.. Kavanaugh denied this also. 

    They are allegations and I have paraphrased.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-judiciary-committee-asked-kavanaugh-about-2-new-claims-of-sexual-assault-1998-1985/
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    njnancy said:


    mrussel1 said:

    njnancy said:
    Do these Republican Senators realize how horrible they sound. Graham's 'outrage' is nauseating. 
    They are trying to make this about the process, rather than the accusation.  A noble attempt I suppose but it's a stretch. 
    I just don't understand the absolute anger coming from Graham in particular. He could speak about process without being insensitive, dismissive and patronizing. He prosecuted rape cases as a JAG lawyer - he knows better.

     It's a hopeless situation and I'm starting to believe that this hopeless situation is what 'they're' trying to achieve.
    Yes,  I don't think Graham helped himself personally with that diatribe.  He is deliberately forgetting this isn't a trial,  either civil or criminal. For me,  the bar is whether she is credible.  She delivered much higher than that. The GOP didn't help their cause thus far today. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited September 2018
    njnancy said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    njnancy said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I thought Chris Matthews made a good point on Meet the Press this past Sunday morning.  He said that Ford had a right as a good, responsible citizen to come forward about what happened.  He said it is in the public's best interest to know of any such flaws of a man, that if gone undetected and kept silent, could still manifest in the future.  Just because you sweep all those teenage problems under the rug doesn't mean that some darkness of that character is still not there.  I am paraphrasing all this, of course.  This is my take on it.  Kavanaugh seems to have a spotless reputation in adulthood, so I would like to think that all this has not ruined his reputation like Trump says.  I do believe there are women and lawyers who will make up stories that aren't true.  However, I watched a little of Ford's testimony, enough to be convinced she is telling the truth and was a person violated a long time ago who tried her best to keep it quiet. I give the Republicans some credit for even having heard her out.  I guess its not the Holocaust just yet.  We still have that blessed freedom of speech. 
    Well now we have a woman saying he was sexually aggressive in the 2000s, so... yeah.
    When did this come out? Is this a 5th accuser?
    I don't even know now. But some woman has claimed that he pushed her up against a wall in a sexually aggressive manner in a bar when he was drunk, or something like that. I just saw that yesterday I think (edit: oh sorry, it allegedly happened in 1998).
    That was one of two more that came out yesterday - it was reported to Cory Gardner (R-CO). He had a girlfriend during the Starr hearings period of his life and after a night of drinking, he allegedly pushed his girlfriend's friend against the wall while they were leaving the bar, in a sexually and violent manner. The friend is still traumatized and contacted the then girlfriend but they decided to remain anonymous in their letter to Gardner. When asked about this by the Senate investigative committee Kavanaugh denied everything. When asked if he had a girlfriend at this time, he asked for a description and without one he couldn't confirm her existence. 

    This is what was alleged and I have paraphrased. 

    There was also a 1985 allegation reported to Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) about an incident on a boat by both Mark Judge and Kavanaugh.. Kavanaugh denied this also. 

    They are allegations and I have paraphrased.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-judiciary-committee-asked-kavanaugh-about-2-new-claims-of-sexual-assault-1998-1985/
    No, he pushed the woman he was dating, who was a friend of the person reporting the incident. It was supposedly witnessed by several people.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096

    He didn't bring the girl's basketball team today.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    Kavanaugh coming out aggressive and angry.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    tbergs said:
    Kavanaugh coming out aggressive and angry.
    He sounds like a dick
  • He probably just wen't to the urinal and looked down ! ^^^^
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    mrussel1 said:
    tbergs said:
    Kavanaugh coming out aggressive and angry.
    He sounds like a dick
    If they show you who they are, believe them. The week of coaching didn't seem to take. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    Well, fuck this guy. Is he running for republican president?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Take away all the irrelevant questions asked by the prosecutor and what are we left with? You know, do you fly? You have surfing interests? Can you name the houses on this street? I look forward to the transcript so I can cross off the irrelevant questions and attempts at disarming humor. I sincerely hope that no one on here’s daughter, wife, sister, female friend or relative has to experience the fear of remaining silent or having to go through testimony that would be 100 times worse than what we witnessed today. 
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    Gee, I just can't imagine this guy getting belligerent and violent. smh
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    It appears the apocalypse is coming..
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675

  • If anything could come from this and hearing this douchebag hate-yell at Dems that it proves that the law is manipulated for nothing else but political gain. What pure garbage. There should be a better way to appoint the Supreme Court regardless, and without, political party affiliation.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    He really sounds like an impartial guy. Get that guy on the highest court of the land.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    dignin said:
    He really sounds like an impartial guy. Get that guy on the highest court of the land.
    Seriously.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Definitely going the political victim angle....fuck him
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  • Definitely going the political victim angle....fuck him
    Which is gloriously ironic as he moans that divisiveness will "tear this country apart" for years to come.
  • tbergs said:
    Well, fuck this guy. Is he running for republican president?

    No, his next job -- as a commentator on Fox.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Even Fox News analysts and anchors are starting to see that the GOP fucked this one up:

    Judge Napolitano: GOP made 'grave error' in how special counsel questioned Ford

    Lindsey Graham should be ashamed of himself, but Trump will be proud of him. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Hey, did you guys know that his calendar showed that he worked out and lifted weights?   I do, because he told me 8x.  
  • Kavanagh kept a calendar in middle school and high school?

    Does this change anybody's mind?
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    She held it together way better than him.
  • Kavanagh kept a calendar in middle school and high school?

    Does this change anybody's mind?
    should it ? what does that prove ?
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    Why is he tearing up about talking on the phone to his friends?
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    Kavanagh kept a calendar in middle school and high school?

    Does this change anybody's mind?
    well, it was a diary of sorts and <sniff> his dad taught him to keep one. 
  • Has he called the proceedings, “a high tech lynching,” yet?
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