You might be right. Walk away from this and have another summit in 2019 and 2020...
That's an interesting article. Thanks for sharing. It does appear that Trump overstated the North's demand, but that doesn't make the decision wrong either. They could continue research if the economic sanctions are lifted. I still think that Trump engaging with Kim at this point is useless. Let the lower level talks continue to hammer out details. Let the pros do their work, rather than let the amateur fuck it up.
I'm thinking my2hands is right, the US and NK will announce some phony agreement in 2020. I still can not see Trump getting re-elected, but he was elected once...so who knows.
Sad state of affairs in 3 governments in the world, you have a criminal president, Isreal PM is facing charges, and the Canadian PM came real close to obstructing justice (and may have), either way, all 3 are crooks and corrupt.
You might be right. Walk away from this and have another summit in 2019 and 2020...
That's an interesting article. Thanks for sharing. It does appear that Trump overstated the North's demand, but that doesn't make the decision wrong either. They could continue research if the economic sanctions are lifted. I still think that Trump engaging with Kim at this point is useless. Let the lower level talks continue to hammer out details. Let the pros do their work, rather than let the amateur fuck it up.
I'm thinking my2hands is right, the US and NK will announce some phony agreement in 2020. I still can not see Trump getting re-elected, but he was elected once...so who knows.
Sad state of affairs in 3 governments in the world, you have a criminal president, Isreal PM is facing charges, and the Canadian PM came real close to obstructing justice (and may have), either way, all 3 are crooks and corrupt.
They already announced a phony agreement last year. I don't understand how that would be any different. I'm shocked he DIDN'T announce another phony agreement. I think that would be too embarrassing a second time around, even for Trump. I don't know. I can't explain crazy.
Days before President Trump was set to meet North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Vietnam, a mysterious incident in Spain threatened to derail the entire high-stakes nuclear summit.
In broad daylight, masked assailants infiltrated North Korea’s embassy in Madrid, tied up the staff, stole computers and mobile phones, and fled the scene in two luxury vehicles.
The group behind the late February operation is known as Cheollima Civil Defense, a secretive dissident organization committed to overthrowing the Kim dynasty, people familiar with the planning and execution of the mission told The Washington Post.
The group’s alleged role in the attack has not previously been reported, and officials from the governments of North Korea, the United States and Spain declined to comment on it.
But in recent days, rumors about the motivations behind the attack have swirled in the Spanish media, including a report in El Pais alleging that two of the masked assailants have ties to the CIA.
People familiar with the incident say the group did not act in coordination with any governments. U.S. intelligence agencies would have been especially reluctant to be involved, given the sensitive timing and brazen nature of the mission. But the raid represents the most ambitious operation to date for an obscure organization that seeks to undermine the North Korean regime and encourage mass defections, they say.
The Hanoi summit between Kim Jong Un and President Trump, in less than 4 minutes
On Feb. 28, President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un ended their Hanoi summit, aimed at negotiating North Korea's denuclearization, without a deal. (Jason Aldag/The Washington Post)
“This group is the first known resistance movement against North Korea, which makes its activities very newsworthy,” said Sung-Yoon Lee, a North Korea expert at Tufts University.
The identity of the assailants is a particularly sensitive topic, given the delicate nature of the relationship between Trump and Kim.
Trump, who began his presidency by threatening the annihilation of Kim and his country, has shifted to effusive praise for the young leader as he tries to persuade him to give up his nuclear program. But in the aftermath of the two leaders’ failed summit in Hanoi last month, tensions have reemerged, with North Korea’s vice foreign minister threatening Friday to suspend the denuclearization talks.
Any hint of U.S. involvement in an assault on a diplomatic compound could have derailed the talks, a prospect of which the CIA would likely be mindful. “Infiltrating a North Korean embassy days before the nuclear summit would throw that all into jeopardy,” said Sue Mi Terry, a former Korea analyst at the CIA. “This is not something the CIA would undertake.”
The agency declined to comment.
According to Spanish media reports, the assailants tied up the embassy staff with rope, put hoods over their heads and asked them questions. They spoke in Korean and appeared to be Asian.
More than an hour into the raid, a woman reportedly escaped, and her screams for help alerted a neighbor, who contacted police. When authorities arrived at the embassy, a man opened the door and told them there was no problem. Moments later, the embassy gates opened, and the assailants dashed out to two embassy cars and sped away, according to local reports. The vehicles were found abandoned on a nearby street.
Though the incident has attracted a flurry of Spanish media attention, no police reports were filed by the embassy or the victims, according to the reports.
Experts say the computers and phones seized in the raid contain a treasure trove of information that foreign intelligence agencies are likely to seek out from the group.
“It could have contacts and documents related to North Korea’s efforts to bypass sanctions and import luxury goods from Europe, which was one of the key assignments for Kim Hyok Chol, the former North Korean ambassador to Spain,” Lee said.
Recently, Kim Hyok Chol was reassigned as North Korea’s point man for the nuclear negotiations with the United States, making any information about his previous activities especially coveted by foreign governments looking to gain an edge in the negotiations.
The assailants also possess a video recording they took during the raid, which they could release anytime, said one person who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive and illegal operation.
The Cheollima group, which also goes by the name Free Joseon, drew attention in 2017 after it successfully evacuated the nephew of Kim Jong Un from Macau when potential threats to his life surfaced. The nephew was the son of Kim Jong Nam, the North Korean leader’s exiled half brother who was assassinated in a nerve-gas attack in a Malaysian airport that same year. Kim Jong Nam was widely believed to have been killed by the regime, making his son a likely target.
Members of the Cheollima group transported Kim Han Sol out of Macau with the help of the governments of the United States, China and the Netherlands, which provided travel and visa assistance, the group told the Wall Street Journal in 2017.
For safety reasons, the leader of the group does not disclose his name, and his identity is known only to a small group of people.
In March, the group published a manifesto calling on North Koreans inside and outside the country to resist Pyongyang in ways big and small.
“To those within the system who hear this declaration: We call on you to defy your oppressors. Challenge them openly or resist them quietly,” the declaration said. “To those of like-mind and like-spirit of our diaspora: We call upon you to join our revolution.”
Since the attack on the embassy in Spain, the group has asserted responsibility for the defacing of the North Korean Embassy in Malaysia’s capital, Kuala Lumpur, on Monday. Authorities said four men who wore hats and masks painted the graffiti. The group has not claimed responsibility for the raid in Madrid.
“In its messaging, the group said they have formed a provisional government to replace the regime in Pyongyang,” said Terry, who is a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “They have now shown the seriousness of their intent and some capabilities to carry out operations. We will see in the coming months the extent of their capabilities.”
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As if this family hasn’t lost enough to now realize this administration payed 2million for his corpse but we all know the Baffoon loves the Rocket man ..
As if this family hasn’t lost enough to now realize this administration payed 2million for his corpse but we all know the Baffoon loves the Rocket man ..
Hey guess what everyone? Little Rocket Man is back to “launching” “projectiles.” Good thing Putin on the ritz is determining our elections, right? I mean Soviet troops, er Russian special forces in Venezuela and continued propping of the Assad regime are all good things, right? Hey, and how about that Saudi crucifixtion? Times have never been so good! MAGA bitches!
Hey guess what everyone? Little Rocket Man is back to “launching” “projectiles.” Good thing Putin on the ritz is determining our elections, right? I mean Soviet troops, er Russian special forces in Venezuela and continued propping of the Assad regime are all good things, right? Hey, and how about that Saudi crucifixtion? Times have never been so good! MAGA bitches!
I’m concerned. The Venezuela situation has me especially concerned. I don’t want to be an alarmist and I’m basically watching these situations unfold from the comfort of my living room, but most people I interact with on a daily basis haven’t a clue about any of this and sometimes I wonder if I’m crazy for being concerned.
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Hey guess what everyone? Little Rocket Man is back to “launching” “projectiles.” Good thing Putin on the ritz is determining our elections, right? I mean Soviet troops, er Russian special forces in Venezuela and continued propping of the Assad regime are all good things, right? Hey, and how about that Saudi crucifixtion? Times have never been so good! MAGA bitches!
I’m concerned. The Venezuela situation has me especially concerned. I don’t want to be an alarmist and I’m basically watching these situations unfold from the comfort of my living room, but most people I interact with on a daily basis haven’t a clue about any of this and sometimes I wonder if I’m crazy for being concerned.
But how are the jobs, jobs, jobs in your neck of the woods? Wages? Unemployment? Price of gas? Groceries? Infrastructure?
It would be nice if some of our higher ranking officials from either side maybe start speaking out more on these situations. At the same time I don’t want to “saber rattle” or whatever but we can’t just wish for these problems to go away. “What, you gonna start another war!” Russia has soldiers in Venezuela, I’m guessing they ain’t leaving anytime soon. In fact I’m expecting reinforcements. Lol, idk.
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It would be nice if some of our higher ranking officials from either side maybe start speaking out more on these situations. At the same time I don’t want to “saber rattle” or whatever but we can’t just wish for these problems to go away. “What, you gonna start another war!” Russia has soldiers in Venezuela, I’m guessing they ain’t leaving anytime soon. In fact I’m expecting reinforcements. Lol, idk.
Except according to Team Trump Treason’s Secretary of State Mike Pompouspeo, Team Trump Treason has been very clear, consistent and sure of US policy as it relates to Venezuela. According to Team Trump Treason the Russians aren’t there and Putin on the ritz has no interest in Venezuela. Just another day in putinrumplandia.
Hey guess what everyone? Little Rocket Man is back to “launching” “projectiles.” Good thing Putin on the ritz is determining our elections, right? I mean Soviet troops, er Russian special forces in Venezuela and continued propping of the Assad regime are all good things, right? Hey, and how about that Saudi crucifixtion? Times have never been so good! MAGA bitches!
I’m concerned. The Venezuela situation has me especially concerned. I don’t want to be an alarmist and I’m basically watching these situations unfold from the comfort of my living room, but most people I interact with on a daily basis haven’t a clue about any of this and sometimes I wonder if I’m crazy for being concerned.
I don't think you're crazy at all, Hi. Funny thing is, as much as people think they are getting "news", most of what they pay attention to is fairly inconsequential stuff and fluff and sensationalist nonsense. Real issues tend to get glossed over or not looked at at all.
Concern seems like the proper response to this kind of thing. These kids of events can have repercussions that are not clear. I would be most concerned if I lived in Venezuela or had close connections there which I don't. But I feel badly for those who do.
There's little one can do other than stay informed, but not to the point of obsessing. I think it's best to keep stress at bay. I guess I say that because this kind of thing has happened before, will happen again. Sooner or later the world will be thrown into chaos- hopefully not for a good while to come. Apocalyptic writers have been predicting doom for a long time. Civilizations crumble and ours will too, but civilizations don't crumble over night.
My best advice is to keep some money in the bank, stash some cash in a fire-proof safe at home, keep a couple weeks worth of food and water in the pantry, and make time to do things that bring you happiness. I try to live semi-frugally, keep informed to a reasonable degree, but also have a good time. A decent balance is good thing.
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Of course, I should never have said that America interferes in other countries affairs...after-all only Russia does that.
Russia is already in Venezuela, and Cuban military officials are there as well. It's great to say US will stay out and let Venezuela work it out, but that's not how it goes.
Of all the places on the planet that you wish that you could walk the streets again, you choose the capital of North Korea? Something in common with Team Trump Treason, I suppose?
Of all the places on the planet that you wish that you could walk the streets again, you choose the capital of North Korea? Something in common with Team Trump Treason, I suppose?
Of all the places on the planet that you wish that you could walk the streets again, you choose the capital of North Korea? Something in common with Team Trump Treason, I suppose?
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Of all the places on the planet that you wish that you could walk the streets again, you choose the capital of North Korea? Something in common with Team Trump Treason, I suppose?
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Sad state of affairs in 3 governments in the world, you have a criminal president, Isreal PM is facing charges, and the Canadian PM came real close to obstructing justice (and may have), either way, all 3 are crooks and corrupt.
Days before President Trump was set to meet North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Vietnam, a mysterious incident in Spain threatened to derail the entire high-stakes nuclear summit.
In broad daylight, masked assailants infiltrated North Korea’s embassy in Madrid, tied up the staff, stole computers and mobile phones, and fled the scene in two luxury vehicles.
The group behind the late February operation is known as Cheollima Civil Defense, a secretive dissident organization committed to overthrowing the Kim dynasty, people familiar with the planning and execution of the mission told The Washington Post.
The group’s alleged role in the attack has not previously been reported, and officials from the governments of North Korea, the United States and Spain declined to comment on it.
But in recent days, rumors about the motivations behind the attack have swirled in the Spanish media, including a report in El Pais alleging that two of the masked assailants have ties to the CIA.
People familiar with the incident say the group did not act in coordination with any governments. U.S. intelligence agencies would have been especially reluctant to be involved, given the sensitive timing and brazen nature of the mission. But the raid represents the most ambitious operation to date for an obscure organization that seeks to undermine the North Korean regime and encourage mass defections, they say.
“This group is the first known resistance movement against North Korea, which makes its activities very newsworthy,” said Sung-Yoon Lee, a North Korea expert at Tufts University.
The identity of the assailants is a particularly sensitive topic, given the delicate nature of the relationship between Trump and Kim.
Trump, who began his presidency by threatening the annihilation of Kim and his country, has shifted to effusive praise for the young leader as he tries to persuade him to give up his nuclear program. But in the aftermath of the two leaders’ failed summit in Hanoi last month, tensions have reemerged, with North Korea’s vice foreign minister threatening Friday to suspend the denuclearization talks.
Any hint of U.S. involvement in an assault on a diplomatic compound could have derailed the talks, a prospect of which the CIA would likely be mindful. “Infiltrating a North Korean embassy days before the nuclear summit would throw that all into jeopardy,” said Sue Mi Terry, a former Korea analyst at the CIA. “This is not something the CIA would undertake.”
The agency declined to comment.
According to Spanish media reports, the assailants tied up the embassy staff with rope, put hoods over their heads and asked them questions. They spoke in Korean and appeared to be Asian.
More than an hour into the raid, a woman reportedly escaped, and her screams for help alerted a neighbor, who contacted police. When authorities arrived at the embassy, a man opened the door and told them there was no problem. Moments later, the embassy gates opened, and the assailants dashed out to two embassy cars and sped away, according to local reports. The vehicles were found abandoned on a nearby street.
Though the incident has attracted a flurry of Spanish media attention, no police reports were filed by the embassy or the victims, according to the reports.
Experts say the computers and phones seized in the raid contain a treasure trove of information that foreign intelligence agencies are likely to seek out from the group.
“It could have contacts and documents related to North Korea’s efforts to bypass sanctions and import luxury goods from Europe, which was one of the key assignments for Kim Hyok Chol, the former North Korean ambassador to Spain,” Lee said.
Recently, Kim Hyok Chol was reassigned as North Korea’s point man for the nuclear negotiations with the United States, making any information about his previous activities especially coveted by foreign governments looking to gain an edge in the negotiations.
The assailants also possess a video recording they took during the raid, which they could release anytime, said one person who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive and illegal operation.
The Cheollima group, which also goes by the name Free Joseon, drew attention in 2017 after it successfully evacuated the nephew of Kim Jong Un from Macau when potential threats to his life surfaced. The nephew was the son of Kim Jong Nam, the North Korean leader’s exiled half brother who was assassinated in a nerve-gas attack in a Malaysian airport that same year. Kim Jong Nam was widely believed to have been killed by the regime, making his son a likely target.
Members of the Cheollima group transported Kim Han Sol out of Macau with the help of the governments of the United States, China and the Netherlands, which provided travel and visa assistance, the group told the Wall Street Journal in 2017.
For safety reasons, the leader of the group does not disclose his name, and his identity is known only to a small group of people.
In March, the group published a manifesto calling on North Koreans inside and outside the country to resist Pyongyang in ways big and small.
“To those within the system who hear this declaration: We call on you to defy your oppressors. Challenge them openly or resist them quietly,” the declaration said. “To those of like-mind and like-spirit of our diaspora: We call upon you to join our revolution.”
Since the attack on the embassy in Spain, the group has asserted responsibility for the defacing of the North Korean Embassy in Malaysia’s capital, Kuala Lumpur, on Monday. Authorities said four men who wore hats and masks painted the graffiti. The group has not claimed responsibility for the raid in Madrid.
“In its messaging, the group said they have formed a provisional government to replace the regime in Pyongyang,” said Terry, who is a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “They have now shown the seriousness of their intent and some capabilities to carry out operations. We will see in the coming months the extent of their capabilities.”
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Russia has soldiers in Venezuela, I’m guessing they ain’t leaving anytime soon. In fact I’m expecting reinforcements. Lol, idk.
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