Knowing What You Know Now, Would You Still Support Trump for President?

ConorKavanagh

PJ_Soul said:

Haha, that dude was just told by a judge that he has to hand over that Wu Tang Clan album - he isn't allowed to keep it or sell it because of his crimes.

Yeah I saw that he was being forced to hand it back. That was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen in recent years. Even before the thing was bought by him like, the very idea of the Wu Tang Clan making one copy of this record and selling it to the highest bidder is just crazy.

KC138045

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

I think a better question would be "Knowing what you know now, would you still have supported Hillary?"

So why don't you start that thread ? I'll answer you , yes i would still vote for her over the idiot you voted for ....

I believe its highly unlikely but would you support her if she tried to run again or would you prefer another democrat?

OnWis97

Halifax2TheMax said:

KC138045 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Obviously, I didn't support Team Trump Treason but I also knew that as soon as he announced, he was in way over his head. Personally, I think he ran because of the Obama jokes at the Press Club Dinner and because his empire was failing and failing miserably. Think about it, he never released his tax returns, which may have lead to discovery of how leaveraged he is, his "University" was an abject failing and The Apprentice was in the dumps for ratings. What better way to drum up business at your properties and polish your brand than by running for president? And even after he won, as disappointed as I was, I felt the same way as I did with Bush, okay, its the presidency, he'll settle in and do an okay job, not to my liking but its the presidency, he has to take it seriously. Nope. In way over his head, uncouth with the  educated political class, crass, disgusting, unaware of how compromise, negotiation and manners play in diplomacy, whether with the Congress or world leaders, unaware of the alliances and the history and basically treating every interaction as a zero sum game where he has to win or else, he'll change his mind to claim victory (South Korea doesn't have a US ambassador nor has one been forwared to the senate for consideration. Think about that, no US ambassador to South Korea). He's doing unparalleled damage to the US and like his business dealings, he'll be an abject failure. I also believe he'll be impeached and when the early reporting came out about Russian collusion, and if you followed his career since the 80s and read a wide range of reporting about him, it wouldn't have come as a surprise. The Team Trump Treason "success" is a myth. And 60+ million Americans fell for it.

The midterm elections will be the key to whether he is impeached or not.

I think more depends on Team Mueller's report. If that comes out really, really damning, as I suspect it will, regardless of who holds the house, they will have to vote for impeachment. Failure to do so will forever stain the institution, the white house and the republican party. That said, I think the dems take control, based upon Team Mueller's report, initiate impeachment and the senate, regardless, will have to convict because of the overwhelming evidence of law breaking by Team Trump Treason before, during and after the campaign and when he took the oath of office.

They only care about one of those things.

JimmyV

The Hillary Clinton excuse used to defend a vote for Trump is a cop out. There were more than two options on every ballot cast in that election. You had other choices. You chose to vote for Trump.

I have never cast a single vote for Hillary Clinton. Not in a primary and not in a general election. Yet I found a way to not vote for Donald Trump. Your vote for Trump is not Hillary Clinton's fault.

josevolution

KC138045 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

I think a better question would be "Knowing what you know now, would you still have supported Hillary?"

So why don't you start that thread ? I'll answer you , yes i would still vote for her over the idiot you voted for ....

I believe its highly unlikely but would you support her if she tried to run again or would you prefer another democrat?

No i would not ever want her to run again i wouldn't vote for her , heck i would of voted for a republican if they would put up a decent human being to run instead we got a total bafoon ...I wanted Bernie to get the nod but we all know what happened there ...

my2hands

I don't how people voted for Trump and are now surprised he's a bafoon of a POTUS... after that campaign? Mexicans are rapists! 

He's Donald fucking Trump, he's been a clown my entire life... 10 years ago I would have bent over laughing if you said he would be POTUS. This shit is unreal. I agree with an earlier point, America has some big problems.

mace1229

josevolution said:

KC138045 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

I think a better question would be "Knowing what you know now, would you still have supported Hillary?"

So why don't you start that thread ? I'll answer you , yes i would still vote for her over the idiot you voted for ....

I believe its highly unlikely but would you support her if she tried to run again or would you prefer another democrat?

No i would not ever want her to run again i wouldn't vote for her , heck i would of voted for a republican if they would put up a decent human being to run instead we got a total bafoon ...I wanted Bernie to get the nod but we all know what happened there ...

Why don't you start a new thread, eh?
I didn't realise some would be offended by asking a relevant question, but glad some decided to answer.
I didn't mean would you vote for her over Trump, but more what you said the second time. Any other DNC candidate would have beaten him, probably literally anyone. So would you have dumped your support for her 2 years ago knowing she wouldn't beat Trump.
Feel free not to answer if asking this in this threads seems upsetting to anyone. I mean, people were already discussing Hilary here (and still are), not sure why question was so upsetting to be the only one to be singled out to warrant a new thread.

josevolution

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

KC138045 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

I think a better question would be "Knowing what you know now, would you still have supported Hillary?"

So why don't you start that thread ? I'll answer you , yes i would still vote for her over the idiot you voted for ....

I believe its highly unlikely but would you support her if she tried to run again or would you prefer another democrat?

No i would not ever want her to run again i wouldn't vote for her , heck i would of voted for a republican if they would put up a decent human being to run instead we got a total bafoon ...I wanted Bernie to get the nod but we all know what happened there ...

Why don't you start a new thread, eh?
I didn't realise some would be offended by asking a relevant question, but glad some decided to answer.
I didn't mean would you vote for her over Trump, but more what you said the second time. Any other DNC candidate would have beaten him, probably literally anyone. So would you have dumped your support for her 2 years ago knowing she wouldn't beat Trump.
Feel free not to answer if asking this in this threads seems upsetting to anyone. I mean, people were already discussing Hilary here (and still are), not sure why question was so upsetting to be the only one to be singled out to warrant a new thread.

No i would of voted for anyone but him like i said if the GOP would of put up a decent human being i would of voted for a republican instead of Clinton or Bernie I'm a registered Independent , but why bring her into a thread about your baffoon hence me asking you to start another thread is that ok or am i wrong ? i didn't say shit about her just that i would still vote the same way knowing what i now know about the idiot in office ...

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

KC138045 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

I think a better question would be "Knowing what you know now, would you still have supported Hillary?"

So why don't you start that thread ? I'll answer you , yes i would still vote for her over the idiot you voted for ....

I believe its highly unlikely but would you support her if she tried to run again or would you prefer another democrat?

No i would not ever want her to run again i wouldn't vote for her , heck i would of voted for a republican if they would put up a decent human being to run instead we got a total bafoon ...I wanted Bernie to get the nod but we all know what happened there ...

Why don't you start a new thread, eh?
I didn't realise some would be offended by asking a relevant question, but glad some decided to answer.
I didn't mean would you vote for her over Trump, but more what you said the second time. Any other DNC candidate would have beaten him, probably literally anyone. So would you have dumped your support for her 2 years ago knowing she wouldn't beat Trump.
Feel free not to answer if asking this in this threads seems upsetting to anyone. I mean, people were already discussing Hilary here (and still are), not sure why question was so upsetting to be the only one to be singled out to warrant a new thread.

Got a link?

PJ_Soul

my2hands said:

You said you "despised" Hillary and that "she's a horrible person... strong words... and backed it up by saying she's a fake feminist essentially... her husband cheated on her... and that she takes minority votes for granted... while at the same time you voted for the guy who grabs them by the kitty cat and is a world class sexist POS, including towards his own daughter, and based his entire campaign on racism and xenophobia...

The propaganda worked... because your argument is totally bunk my friend... it sounds like you have no idea why you "despise" her and think she's a "horrible person"

FWIW, feminists are actually allowed to forgive their husbands for straying. I wouldn't forgive mine for it personally, but that's not because of anything related to my feelings about female equality.

oftenreading

KC138045 said:

my2hands said:

Years and years of anti-clinton propaganda paid off

People openly state they HATE Hillary, but usually can't explain why they have such strong feelings against her. I find that interesting

She's a hypocrite and just a horrible person in my opinion.  Like many democrats she pandered to the minorities to get votes and yet does nothing for them.  Most of the worse cities in America are ran by Democrats.  She claimed to stand for women's rights, women's lib, and feminism yet stood by her husband during all his shit and ridiculed and insulted his accusers.  She defended a rapist when she was a lawyer and there's tape of her laughing about successfully defending him in court.

As a lawyer she is REQUIRED to defend her client to the best of her abilities. That isn’t optional. It’s a basis of the legal system that everyone is entitled to a competent defence, because god knows the rest of the system is stacked against defendants. For someone to complain when a lawyer does their job professionally shows a serious lack of understanding. 

PJ_Soul

oftenreading said:

KC138045 said:

my2hands said:

Years and years of anti-clinton propaganda paid off

People openly state they HATE Hillary, but usually can't explain why they have such strong feelings against her. I find that interesting

She's a hypocrite and just a horrible person in my opinion.  Like many democrats she pandered to the minorities to get votes and yet does nothing for them.  Most of the worse cities in America are ran by Democrats.  She claimed to stand for women's rights, women's lib, and feminism yet stood by her husband during all his shit and ridiculed and insulted his accusers.  She defended a rapist when she was a lawyer and there's tape of her laughing about successfully defending him in court.

As a lawyer she is REQUIRED to defend her client to the best of her abilities. That isn’t optional. It’s a basis of the legal system that everyone is entitled to a competent defence, because god knows the rest of the system is stacked against defendants. For someone to complain when a lawyer does their job professionally shows a serious lack of understanding. 

Agreed, and also, I've heard that tape of her "laughing" about defending him. That is just completely inaccurate if you hear it in context.

brianlux

I get this queasy feeling when I think about how we had to choose between Trump and Clinton.  Obviously, Hillary would have made a better president but good grief,  so would have Ronald McDonald.  I begin to wonder if we are capable of electing a decent president any more... but  then I remember that just a few years ago we had Obama.  He wasn't perfect but at least he was presidential, intelligent, well spoken, courteous and respectful to women, unbiased, concerned for environment and carried himself well.  How IN THE FUCK did we go from that to Trump?

Halifax2TheMax

brianlux said:

I get this queasy feeling when I think about how we had to choose between Trump and Clinton.  Obviously, Hillary would have made a better president but good grief,  so would have Ronald McDonald.  I begin to wonder if we are capable of electing a decent president any more... but  then I remember that just a few years ago we had Obama.  He wasn't perfect but at least he was presidential, intelligent, well spoken, courteous and respectful to women, unbiased, concerned for environment and carried himself well.  How IN THE FUCK did we go from that to Trump?

Russia, Russia, Russia.

my2hands

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

You said you "despised" Hillary and that "she's a horrible person... strong words... and backed it up by saying she's a fake feminist essentially... her husband cheated on her... and that she takes minority votes for granted... while at the same time you voted for the guy who grabs them by the kitty cat and is a world class sexist POS, including towards his own daughter, and based his entire campaign on racism and xenophobia...

The propaganda worked... because your argument is totally bunk my friend... it sounds like you have no idea why you "despise" her and think she's a "horrible person"

FWIW, feminists are actually allowed to forgive their husbands for straying. I wouldn't forgive mine for it personally, but that's not because of anything related to my feelings about female equality.

Absolutely.

RoleModelsinBlood31

I voted for trump.  Don’t know if I would again, but it depends on who the candidates were.  I vote both ways, voted Obama the first time, I wouldn’t have ever voted for Hillary though and Bernie was too far out there for me.   He hasn’t done anything other than being a twitter clown that’s really bothered me so far.  Well, when he opens his mouth I do kinda cringe I guess.  But I still think he’s got a good plan and he’s doing a lot of the stuff I assumed he would.  If nothing else, the mass hysteria he’s caused has been worth the vote I cast.

dignin

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

KC138045 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

I think a better question would be "Knowing what you know now, would you still have supported Hillary?"

So why don't you start that thread ? I'll answer you , yes i would still vote for her over the idiot you voted for ....

I believe its highly unlikely but would you support her if she tried to run again or would you prefer another democrat?

No i would not ever want her to run again i wouldn't vote for her , heck i would of voted for a republican if they would put up a decent human being to run instead we got a total bafoon ...I wanted Bernie to get the nod but we all know what happened there ...

Why don't you start a new thread, eh?
I didn't realise some would be offended by asking a relevant question, but glad some decided to answer.
I didn't mean would you vote for her over Trump, but more what you said the second time. Any other DNC candidate would have beaten him, probably literally anyone. So would you have dumped your support for her 2 years ago knowing she wouldn't beat Trump.
Feel free not to answer if asking this in this threads seems upsetting to anyone. I mean, people were already discussing Hilary here (and still are), not sure why question was so upsetting to be the only one to be singled out to warrant a new thread.

Care to answer the Op's original question?

Knowing what you know now would you still support Trump for president? 

tbergs

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

I voted for trump.  Don’t know if I would again, but it depends on who the candidates were.  I vote both ways, voted Obama the first time, I wouldn’t have ever voted for Hillary though and Bernie was too far out there for me.   He hasn’t done anything other than being a twitter clown that’s really bothered me so far.  Well, when he opens his mouth I do kinda cringe I guess.  But I still think he’s got a good plan and he’s doing a lot of the stuff I assumed he would.  If nothing else, the mass hysteria he’s caused has been worth the vote I cast.

Thanks for your candor. I do have to ask though, why do you find a president who is unpredictable and creates mass hysteria to be a good thing or worth your vote? The leader of our country shouldn't also be the court jester. If I remember correctly, I think you run a restaurant? Correct me if I'm wrong. Would you want one of your managers to act in such a way and create mass hysteria among staff and patrons? As a manager myself, I would be shit canning someone like him immediately. Especially with all the sexual harassment issues. He wouldn't get past a background and would be a customer service nightmare.

I just don't get that mindset; people who find his behavior a breath of fresh air.

curmudgeoness

brianlux said:

Every time I try to write how awful I think Trump is I realize the limits of our English vocabulary.

^^^^ This, plus random thoughts about Ed's ability to use "fuck" as all parts of speech.
If we manage to survive the Agent Orange administration more or less intact as a country, I hope we all, collectively, decide that "s/he isn't a politician!" isn't the selling point some people thought it was. I also hope we introduce a constitutional amendment requiring all candidates for president to demonstrate that they are at the very least 1) familiar with the Bill of Rights and 2) able to receive a passing grade on the AP American Government exam.

So, obviously, I never supported this guy in the first place. He is, politics aside, fundamentally unfit to serve as president. Had he run as a Democrat, I would have shown up at Mitt Romney's door, begging him to run and offering to serve as his campaign manager.

All that aside, the few people I know who live in red areas no longer watch any news channels, because the news is so stressful and frustrating. They see the results of the opioid epidemic, they know what job prospects are in their area, they know what their local infrastructure looks like, and they are not impressed. 

curmudgeoness

JimmyV said:

OnWis97 said:

This is probably not the best place for this question since not too many of us did in the first place.  Sadly, I don't think he's lost too many supporters.  Most of the shit is exactly what they wanted.  

Agreed. I think better questions for this audience might be:

"Knowing what you know now, if your state's caucus/primary were held today would you still support the same candidate you supported in 2016?"

and

"Knowing what you know now, would you still cast the same vote you cast in November?"

I think my answer to both questions would be yes, but since I was conflicted both times I'm sure I would be conflicted again.

Yes, but then again I still have an "I'm ridin' with Biden" sticker on my car. Biden would have mopped the floor with Agent Orange.
Hillary Clinton is not perfect, but she was very qualified; she got my vote, and were we able to have a do-over tomorrow, I would vote for her again.