Knowing What You Know Now, Would You Still Support Trump for President?

And, would you consider him brilliant?
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  • ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh 27Posts: 524
    Fuckin fuck no Bubba.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,262
    Worst mistake this country ever made and that is saying a lot.
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  • ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh 27Posts: 524
    Come back George Bush, all is forgiven. At this stage I'd welcome that motherfucker who bought the Wu Tang Clan album. Well, maybe not quite.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,319
    Every time I try to write how awful I think Trump is I realize the limits of our English vocabulary.

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  • mfc2006mfc2006 PDX--->KCPosts: 31,068
    Hell no.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,007
    To quote Conor above

    Fuck no Bubba 

    But of course I never supported the dude in the first place
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,227
    This is probably not the best place for this question since not too many of us did in the first place.  Sadly, I don't think he's lost too many supporters.  Most of the shit is exactly what they wanted.  
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  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 2,386
    OnWis97 said:
      Sadly, I don't think he's lost too many supporters.  Most of the shit is exactly what they wanted.  
    I agree with you. A few of my Facebook 'friends' think Trump is the best thing that ever happened to the USA. they are extremely pleased with Trump.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,262
    OnWis97 said:
    This is probably not the best place for this question since not too many of us did in the first place.  Sadly, I don't think he's lost too many supporters.  Most of the shit is exactly what they wanted.  
    Agreed. I think better questions for this audience might be:

    "Knowing what you know now, if your state's caucus/primary were held today would you still support the same candidate you supported in 2016?"

    and

    "Knowing what you know now, would you still cast the same vote you cast in November?"

    I think my answer to both questions would be yes, but since I was conflicted both times I'm sure I would be conflicted again.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 19,786
    No , did you see in Texas his approval is above 80% amongst Republicans...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,345
    JimmyV said:
    OnWis97 said:
    This is probably not the best place for this question since not too many of us did in the first place.  Sadly, I don't think he's lost too many supporters.  Most of the shit is exactly what they wanted.  
    Agreed. I think better questions for this audience might be:

    "Knowing what you know now, if your state's caucus/primary were held today would you still support the same candidate you supported in 2016?"

    and

    "Knowing what you know now, would you still cast the same vote you cast in November?"

    I think my answer to both questions would be yes, but since I was conflicted both times I'm sure I would be conflicted again.
    Well, there’s certainly a number of folks on here who seem to lean Team Trump Treason and May have voted for him but are embarrassed to admit it and a few who haven’t posted in awhile. Also, there’s a bunch of folks in the other threads who seem likely to be Team Trump Treason supporters based on their comments regarding Ed’s politics or rambling at shows but they probably avoid the AMT.

    Feel free to start more pointed questioning threads or polls though. I just figured we needed a one year gut check. Collectively, we’ve probably forgotten 3/4s of the shit because everyday there is 1/4 more shit compounded to question how we got here in a year.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,262
    JimmyV said:
    OnWis97 said:
    This is probably not the best place for this question since not too many of us did in the first place.  Sadly, I don't think he's lost too many supporters.  Most of the shit is exactly what they wanted.  
    Agreed. I think better questions for this audience might be:

    "Knowing what you know now, if your state's caucus/primary were held today would you still support the same candidate you supported in 2016?"

    and

    "Knowing what you know now, would you still cast the same vote you cast in November?"

    I think my answer to both questions would be yes, but since I was conflicted both times I'm sure I would be conflicted again.
    Well, there’s certainly a number of folks on here who seem to lean Team Trump Treason and May have voted for him but are embarrassed to admit it and a few who haven’t posted in awhile. Also, there’s a bunch of folks in the other threads who seem likely to be Team Trump Treason supporters based on their comments regarding Ed’s politics or rambling at shows but they probably avoid the AMT.

    Feel free to start more pointed questioning threads or polls though. I just figured we needed a one year gut check. Collectively, we’ve probably forgotten 3/4s of the shit because everyday there is 1/4 more shit compounded to question how we got here in a year.
    I hear you. I didn't mean to derail your thread. It just seems like here on AMT we as a group disagree on a lot but not necessarily very often on Trump.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,227
    I will say that it's worse than I thought.  From an experience standpoint, I knew he was in over his head.  I knew he was crass and figured he'd embarrass us some.  But on issues, I actually thought he might piss the GOP off by going a bit left at times and if he had good people around him...  I knew it was a potential disaster but I still think I underestimated it.  He's just as unqualified as I thought but actually more embarrassing.  But once he started making appointments, I knew he'd be a hard-core conservative reflective of the internet-commenting dregs that voted for him and I knew also he was surrounding himself with a new, more-toxic swamp.  

    In short, my glimmer of hope that this would be salvageable disappeared before inauguration day.  And even, then, it continues to go below a very low bar.  Tweeting at B-listers, concerning himself with the NFL's kneelers, identifying with the white nationalist movement.  Knowing what I know now?  I would not have even toyed with the idea of voting third (which I did not anyway).
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,345
    JimmyV said:
    JimmyV said:
    OnWis97 said:
    This is probably not the best place for this question since not too many of us did in the first place.  Sadly, I don't think he's lost too many supporters.  Most of the shit is exactly what they wanted.  
    Agreed. I think better questions for this audience might be:

    "Knowing what you know now, if your state's caucus/primary were held today would you still support the same candidate you supported in 2016?"

    and

    "Knowing what you know now, would you still cast the same vote you cast in November?"

    I think my answer to both questions would be yes, but since I was conflicted both times I'm sure I would be conflicted again.
    Well, there’s certainly a number of folks on here who seem to lean Team Trump Treason and May have voted for him but are embarrassed to admit it and a few who haven’t posted in awhile. Also, there’s a bunch of folks in the other threads who seem likely to be Team Trump Treason supporters based on their comments regarding Ed’s politics or rambling at shows but they probably avoid the AMT.

    Feel free to start more pointed questioning threads or polls though. I just figured we needed a one year gut check. Collectively, we’ve probably forgotten 3/4s of the shit because everyday there is 1/4 more shit compounded to question how we got here in a year.
    I hear you. I didn't mean to derail your thread. It just seems like here on AMT we as a group disagree on a lot but not necessarily very often on Trump.
    No worries, and I see your point. I was just encouraging more direct dialog if this thread won't do it. No derail at all.
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  • ShynerShyner Posts: 1,226
    I have never voted cause ive never seen a person worth a vote .
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 17,008
    I didn't vote for him but I definitely don't think he's as bad as everyone makes him out to be.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,007
    Funny, I think he's far worse than most Americans realize...

    Considering you have children, you a fan of a climate science denier heading the EPA?

  • elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 3,461
    I voted Trump.  I knew he was an idiot.  I knew he had serious character flaws.  I somehow figured he would curb his ways a bit once he was finally in the White House, I was wrong.  Do I regret it at times, certainly.  Would I vote for Hilary if I had to do it over.  Absolutely Not.

  • elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 3,461
    And I never considered him brilliant, before or after the Presidency.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,262
    my2hands said:
    Funny, I think he's far worse than most Americans realize...

    Considering you have children, you a fan of a climate science denier heading the EPA?

    I agree with this for sure.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 19,786
    mcgruff10 said:
    I didn't vote for him but I definitely don't think he's as bad as everyone makes him out to be.  
    Really damn dude he's way worse than anything i expected ...
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 19,786
    I voted Trump.  I knew he was an idiot.  I knew he had serious character flaws.  I somehow figured he would curb his ways a bit once he was finally in the White House, I was wrong.  Do I regret it at times, certainly.  Would I vote for Hilary if I had to do it over.  Absolutely Not.

    I give you credit , you at least admit to have voted for a total idiot , sexual predator , pathological liar , russian pupet ...Not to bad for an American lol 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 17,008
    mcgruff10 said:
    I didn't vote for him but I definitely don't think he's as bad as everyone makes him out to be.  
    Really damn dude he's way worse than anything i expected ...
    How? What is surprising that he has done that he didn’t indicate while running for office?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh 27Posts: 524
    I never supported him becoming the President in the first place. But also I'm not from the U.S.A so I was just casually observing the shit show unfold.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 17,008
    I never supported him becoming the President in the first place. But also I'm not from the U.S.A so I was just casually observing the shit show unfold.
    What shit show has unfolded from an international point of view?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh 27Posts: 524
    The guy is behaving like Kanye West on Twitter most of the time. I'm not looking to get into and argument, but he seems to be fairly clueless like.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 17,008
    The guy is behaving like Kanye West on Twitter most of the time. I'm not looking to get into and argument, but he seems to be fairly clueless like.
    I agree that he sucks at Twitter but what else?  No argument here either
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  • ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh 27Posts: 524
    edited March 7
    As I said, I'm a casual observer so don't follow closely every movement on the news. However the exaggerations about the inauguration were memorable.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,994
    mcgruff10 said:
    I never supported him becoming the President in the first place. But also I'm not from the U.S.A so I was just casually observing the shit show unfold.
    What shit show has unfolded from an international point of view?
    He conducts himself poorly when meeting with other politicians, he insults people, he mischaracterizes (or maybe just outright lies) about policy, legislation, trade issues and the like, and in general is viewed as childish. 
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