Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

tbergs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

To be fair, a box of goop is a lot different than an 8 week old baby in-utero.

igotid88

yes

cincybearcat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

cincybearcat

Here’s a dumb question for you. Same situation. 2 women, same age. 1 is 2 weeks pregnant, the other is not with child. You can only save 1. Which one do you choose?

Gern Blansten

tbergs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

To be fair, a box of goop is a lot different than an 8 week old baby in-utero.

that's true....but I would guess that the vast majority of abortions are the goop variety

tbergs

cincybearcat said:

Here’s a dumb question for you. Same situation. 2 women, same age. 1 is 2 weeks pregnant, the other is not with child. You can only save 1. Which one do you choose?

Hmmm, I know this one. I can't save 2 because 2 isn't 1 so I must save 1 because I can't save 2. What color is their hair? That will help me decide.

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

it's only dumb because the answer is so obvious....like why is water wet?

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

it's only dumb because the answer is so obvious....like why is water wet?

It’s dumb because it has nothing to do with abortion. By being pro choice you aren’t saving a 5 year old. It has no basis in the discussion other than some fake emotion. 

tbergs

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

To be fair, a box of goop is a lot different than an 8 week old baby in-utero.

that's true....but I would guess that the vast majority of abortions are the goop variety

The stats aren't real clear and there is no requirement for reporting, but it seems the majority are less than 13 weeks.

In 2014, 652,639 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2014 was 12.1 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 186 abortions per 1,000 live births.

Compared with 2013, the total number and rate of reported abortions for 2014 decreased 2%, and the ratio decreased 7%. Additionally, from 2005 to 2014, the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 21%, 22%, and 22%, respectively. In 2014, all three measures reached their lowest level for the entire period of analysis (2005—2014).

Women in their twenties accounted for the majority of abortions in 2014 and throughout the period of analysis. The majority of abortions in 2014 took place early in gestation:  91.5% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. In 2014, 22.6% of all abortions were early medical abortions. The percentage of abortions reported as early medical abortions increased 110% from 2005 to 2014, with a 1% increase from 2013 to 2014. Source: Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2014 Surveillance Summaries, November 24, 2017, 66(24);1–48, MMWR.

Quite a bit of developmental difference between 4 weeks and 13 weeks so without concrete information on exact abortion timeframes I don't think we can honestly make an assumption on how close to goop many of them really are. The heartbeat is at around 5 weeks, so anything under that I guess could fit with that not so proper term.

^^^^The 5 week "goop"

^^^Not so goopy at 13 weeks. 

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

it's only dumb because the answer is so obvious....like why is water wet?

It’s dumb because it has nothing to do with abortion. By being pro choice you aren’t saving a 5 year old. It has no basis in the discussion other than some fake emotion. 

ridiculous....it points out that 1000 embryos are not equivalent to one toddler

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

it's only dumb because the answer is so obvious....like why is water wet?

It’s dumb because it has nothing to do with abortion. By being pro choice you aren’t saving a 5 year old. It has no basis in the discussion other than some fake emotion. 

ridiculous....it points out that 1000 embryos are not equivalent to one toddler

Ignoring my question I see....

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

I’d save the 5 year old, I have no problem admitting that. Most of those embryos won’t be born, the boy’s life is more valuable.
That doesn’t mean the embryos have no value.
Same scenario, the boy is saved. Turns out it was arsen. Is he treated the same as if he set a glue factory on fire, or is there more at stake?
I forget most of the details and outcome, but a few months ago something like that did happen. Wasn’t arsen, some technology glitch or something. They were sued for millions for emotional damages by their clients, and if I had to guess probably did or will win. So much emotion over insignificant pieces of property.
Should the many men who’ve been found nd guilty of murder for causing the death of an unborn child be overturned? I mean, you can’t murder goo can you? Their life sentences should be time served for domestic violence, and not murder, right?
Our laws don’t make sense and are hypocritical. Is it a life or is it not? Is it goo or something of value. It can’t be both.

pjhawks

cincybearcat said:

Here’s a dumb question for you. Same situation. 2 women, same age. 1 is 2 weeks pregnant, the other is not with child. You can only save 1. Which one do you choose?

obviously the hotter one...yea i went there

and how would you possible know a woman is 2 weeks pregnant?  the woman wouldn't even know at that point most likely.

tbergs

pjhawks said:

cincybearcat said:

Here’s a dumb question for you. Same situation. 2 women, same age. 1 is 2 weeks pregnant, the other is not with child. You can only save 1. Which one do you choose?

obviously the hotter one...yea i went there

and how would you possible know a woman is 2 weeks pregnant?  the woman wouldn't even know at that point most likely.

That was his point from what I gathered.

cincybearcat

pjhawks said:

cincybearcat said:

Here’s a dumb question for you. Same situation. 2 women, same age. 1 is 2 weeks pregnant, the other is not with child. You can only save 1. Which one do you choose?

obviously the hotter one...yea i went there

and how would you possible know a woman is 2 weeks pregnant?  the woman wouldn't even know at that point most likely.

It’s a fire. They are both hot.

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

it's only dumb because the answer is so obvious....like why is water wet?

It’s dumb because it has nothing to do with abortion. By being pro choice you aren’t saving a 5 year old. It has no basis in the discussion other than some fake emotion. 

ridiculous....it points out that 1000 embryos are not equivalent to one toddler

Ignoring my question I see....

so yeah is she wearing a sign around her neck that says "I'm pregnant"?  You're trying to make a point but the setup isn't quite there.

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

it's only dumb because the answer is so obvious....like why is water wet?

It’s dumb because it has nothing to do with abortion. By being pro choice you aren’t saving a 5 year old. It has no basis in the discussion other than some fake emotion. 

ridiculous....it points out that 1000 embryos are not equivalent to one toddler

Ignoring my question I see....

so yeah is she wearing a sign around her neck that says "I'm pregnant"?  You're trying to make a point but the setup isn't quite there.

Avoiding again....nice.  

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

it's only dumb because the answer is so obvious....like why is water wet?

It’s dumb because it has nothing to do with abortion. By being pro choice you aren’t saving a 5 year old. It has no basis in the discussion other than some fake emotion. 

ridiculous....it points out that 1000 embryos are not equivalent to one toddler

Ignoring my question I see....

so yeah is she wearing a sign around her neck that says "I'm pregnant"?  You're trying to make a point but the setup isn't quite there.

Avoiding again....nice.  

not avoiding....if she had a sign I would save her....no sign then I would save whichever one I was closest to.  Any rational person would say that....just like my scenario

Thirty Bills Unpaid

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

it's only dumb because the answer is so obvious....like why is water wet?

It’s dumb because it has nothing to do with abortion. By being pro choice you aren’t saving a 5 year old. It has no basis in the discussion other than some fake emotion. 

ridiculous....it points out that 1000 embryos are not equivalent to one toddler

Ignoring my question I see....

so yeah is she wearing a sign around her neck that says "I'm pregnant"?  You're trying to make a point but the setup isn't quite there.

Avoiding again....nice.  

This is a stupid question.

In your question... there is viable life for both choices. In the question posed to you... there was life and there was goop to choose from. The questions aren't the same thing at all. I don't know how you think they are.

cincybearcat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

I find it amazing that the left has completely turned abortion into “women’s medical rights”. And the majority of the country has bought in. Sad.

I find it amazing that in the 21st century... we still have people clinging to the idea that there is an omnipresent god that knows what 8 billion people are up to at any given moment and listens to millions of individual prayers at one time.

I find it further amazing that this coocoo belief is allowed to drive policies which affect human beings.

I am one of those coocoo’s. But here is what I think so many don’t understand. I’ve never read anything in the Bible anti abortion. Religion doesn’t drive my pro-life stance. And I don’t think it does for many.
its the belief that it’s a human life, and that human life deserves a chance.
Convince me that a fetus is not a human life and I wouldn’t care about this topic anymore.
I consider myself pro-life, but that doesn’t mean I’d want to ban abortions. Our country isn’t ready for that and we’d be worse off if that was the case. I think many on the pro-life side approach it in the wrong way. Instead I’d prefer to educate and provide means to make abortions unnecessary execpt out of medical necessities.

I heard an interesting story that sums it all up for me.

Imagine you are walking by a fertility clinic and you see flames/smoke billowing out of the front door....you hear screams.

You go through the front door and to your left is a 5 year old child....to your right is a box marked "1000 viable embryos"

You can only save one.  Which do you save?

These are all so stupid. 

So is the idea that a government can tell a woman what to do with her own body.

and...which one would you save?

Shall I come up with a stupid story too?

we all know your answer....it's the only one that makes sense

In your scenario you can only save 1. In mine you don’t have to start the fire.

Good job ducking the question.

I'll answer. I'd save the child before the 1000 boxes of goop.

It’s a dumb fucking question.

it's only dumb because the answer is so obvious....like why is water wet?

It’s dumb because it has nothing to do with abortion. By being pro choice you aren’t saving a 5 year old. It has no basis in the discussion other than some fake emotion. 

ridiculous....it points out that 1000 embryos are not equivalent to one toddler

Ignoring my question I see....

so yeah is she wearing a sign around her neck that says "I'm pregnant"?  You're trying to make a point but the setup isn't quite there.

Avoiding again....nice.  

This is a stupid question.

In your question... there is viable life for both choices. In the question posed to you... there was life and there was goop to choose from. The questions aren't the same thing at all. I don't know how you think they are.

Well to be honest they are both stupid questions.

So - which would you save?  Or doe it not matter to you?  And that's a ok answer too.  Not the right one but an ok one.