John McCain
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Yeah, not enough from someone we want to hear from, or a normal POTUS ... Quite enough from someone who is the most inappropriate man in the world and who hated McCain, and who McCain hated. I'm not sure I understand why people keep insisting that Trump respond to this like a normal president who had a normal relationship with the dead person. Honestly, why in the world, unless it's being used as some kind of weapon, would people want to literally shame Trump into some wholly insincere comments that will necessarily be way too late?? It really doesn't make any sense. It sure as hell isn't to round out a show of respect for McCain. It would have been more respectful to McCain to leave it well enough alone. Now his death has just become another Trump clusterfuck. That easily could have been avoided.HughFreakingDillon said:
he offered his respect to McCain's family, while saying nothing about McCain himself. that was not enough. not for a sitting senator. not for a pow. not for a veteran.PJ_Soul said:
Sure, but he didn't actually do anything untoward when it came to McCain's death in the first place. He posted a condolences tweet, he had the WH flag lowered for the officially recommended time. That was enough from someone who McCain preemptively banned from his own funeral IMO, lol. Frankly, for once I think Trump got it right (until forced to make it bad) and everyone else got it wrong in their reaction/expectations.HughFreakingDillon said:
I didn't see it, nor will I. You're right in that everyone can see through it so plainly it is painfully obvious it's completely fabricated. he really is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't here. But it's of his own doing and how he conducts himself on a tweet to tweet basis.PJ_Soul said:
Well I personally found it gross to watch Trump stand up and say a bunch of shit he doesn't believe, knowing he was forced to it just to shut people up. I think that is totally disrespectful to McCain's memory (not that I'm concerned about McCain's memory.... I'm patiently waiting for the pearl clutching to end).HughFreakingDillon said:
because even your adversaries are to be respected in death in a professional manner. he can say what he wants behind closed doors, but in public, as a head of state, he should be respectful.PJ_Soul said:McCain hated Trump, and Trump hates McCain. I don't understand why anyone expects or even wants Trump to do anything. To me, it would be more respectful for him to keep his trap shut completely. Instead, everyone's forced a completely fucking insincere statement out of him.
no one expects Trump to be an adult, but it's normal to want him to be.
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Uh...and all the Trumpies would be singing his praises. Loyalty to Trump is all any of them care about. Speaking of predicable....Meltdown99 said:If Trump and McCain were best buddies everyone of you predictable people would be calling McCain out ... quit being fucking hypocrites.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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I agree completely that it made it much worse that he did a 180 on it. which to me was odd. that's not his usual MO, to bow to public (or private) pressure on anything.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, not enough from someone we want to hear from, or a normal POTUS ... Quite enough from someone who is the most inappropriate man in the world and who hated McCain, and who McCain hated. I'm not sure I understand why people keep insisting that Trump respond to this like a normal president who had a normal relationship with the dead person. Honestly, why in the world, unless it's being used as some kind of weapon, would people want to literally shame Trump into some wholly insincere comments that will necessarily be way too late?? It really doesn't make any sense. It sure as hell isn't to round out a show of respect for McCain. It would have been more respectful to McCain to leave it well enough alone. Now his death has just become another Trump clusterfuck. That easily could have been avoided.HughFreakingDillon said:
he offered his respect to McCain's family, while saying nothing about McCain himself. that was not enough. not for a sitting senator. not for a pow. not for a veteran.PJ_Soul said:
Sure, but he didn't actually do anything untoward when it came to McCain's death in the first place. He posted a condolences tweet, he had the WH flag lowered for the officially recommended time. That was enough from someone who McCain preemptively banned from his own funeral IMO, lol. Frankly, for once I think Trump got it right (until forced to make it bad) and everyone else got it wrong in their reaction/expectations.HughFreakingDillon said:
I didn't see it, nor will I. You're right in that everyone can see through it so plainly it is painfully obvious it's completely fabricated. he really is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't here. But it's of his own doing and how he conducts himself on a tweet to tweet basis.PJ_Soul said:
Well I personally found it gross to watch Trump stand up and say a bunch of shit he doesn't believe, knowing he was forced to it just to shut people up. I think that is totally disrespectful to McCain's memory (not that I'm concerned about McCain's memory.... I'm patiently waiting for the pearl clutching to end).HughFreakingDillon said:
because even your adversaries are to be respected in death in a professional manner. he can say what he wants behind closed doors, but in public, as a head of state, he should be respectful.PJ_Soul said:McCain hated Trump, and Trump hates McCain. I don't understand why anyone expects or even wants Trump to do anything. To me, it would be more respectful for him to keep his trap shut completely. Instead, everyone's forced a completely fucking insincere statement out of him.
no one expects Trump to be an adult, but it's normal to want him to be.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
He was a war veteran that voted to go to war. I have relatives that served in WW2 ... they despise war. Yet this son of a bitch voted for war ... fuck him.HughFreakingDillon said:
jesus christ.Meltdown99 said:If Trump and McCain were best buddies everyone of you predictable people would be calling McCain out ... quit being fucking hypocrites.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
name one person in politics you admire/get inspired by/don't want to stab in the eye with a rusty fork, then maybe we can have a rational conversation.Meltdown99 said:
He was a war veteran that voted to go to war. I have relatives that served in WW2 ... they despise war. Yet this son of a bitch voted for war ... fuck him.HughFreakingDillon said:
jesus christ.Meltdown99 said:If Trump and McCain were best buddies everyone of you predictable people would be calling McCain out ... quit being fucking hypocrites.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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The whole baffoon family will join him at some point see immigrant children in captivity ....JC29856 said:jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
I understand not liking McCain but why do you also blame his family who are not in government for things that the government has done?josevolution said:
The whole baffoon family will join him at some point see immigrant children in captivity ....JC29856 said:
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very interesting article but to be honest, I do get tired of people blaming him for trump because he picked Palin. the Blame for Trump should be placed squarely on the public and no one else.HughFreakingDillon said:
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He was criticizing Trump's family, not McCain's. FYI, "baffoon" is Trump.fife said:
I understand not liking McCain but why do you also blame his family who are not in government for things that the government has done?josevolution said:
The whole baffoon family will join him at some point see immigrant children in captivity ....JC29856 said:
And we all know that a good portion of Trump's family are very much to blame.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
sorry should have known that. Sorry JosePJ_Soul said:
He was criticizing Trump's family, not McCain's. FYI, "baffoon" is Trump.fife said:
I understand not liking McCain but why do you also blame his family who are not in government for things that the government has done?josevolution said:
The whole baffoon family will join him at some point see immigrant children in captivity ....JC29856 said: And we all know that a good portion of Trump's family are very much to blame.
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it's funny, as I hadn't heard that blame prior to his death. But it kind of makes sense. it is on the voting public for sure, but he kind of had a hand in normalizing free-talking idiot real-life caricatures to be in the heights of power.fife said:
very interesting article but to be honest, I do get tired of people blaming him for trump because he picked Palin. the Blame for Trump should be placed squarely on the public and no one else.HughFreakingDillon said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
The blame for Trump should be on his parents for not aborting him.fife said:
very interesting article but to be honest, I do get tired of people blaming him for trump because he picked Palin. the Blame for Trump should be placed squarely on the public and no one else.HughFreakingDillon said:Give Peas A Chance…0 -
yikesMeltdown99 said:
The blame for Trump should be on his parents for not aborting him.fife said:
very interesting article but to be honest, I do get tired of people blaming him for trump because he picked Palin. the Blame for Trump should be placed squarely on the public and no one else.HughFreakingDillon said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
This isn't offensive, it just doesn't make sense, lol.Meltdown99 said:
The blame for Trump should be on his parents for not aborting him.fife said:
very interesting article but to be honest, I do get tired of people blaming him for trump because he picked Palin. the Blame for Trump should be placed squarely on the public and no one else.HughFreakingDillon said:
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
lol no biggie yeah i meant Orange Baffoon ...fife said:
sorry should have known that. Sorry JosePJ_Soul said:
He was criticizing Trump's family, not McCain's. FYI, "baffoon" is Trump.fife said:
I understand not liking McCain but why do you also blame his family who are not in government for things that the government has done?josevolution said:
The whole baffoon family will join him at some point see immigrant children in captivity ....JC29856 said: And we all know that a good portion of Trump's family are very much to blame. jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Really, I heard it for a long time. anyHughFreakingDillon said:
it's funny, as I hadn't heard that blame prior to his death. But it kind of makes sense. it is on the voting public for sure, but he kind of had a hand in normalizing free-talking idiot real-life caricatures to be in the heights of power.fife said:
very interesting article but to be honest, I do get tired of people blaming him for trump because he picked Palin. the Blame for Trump should be placed squarely on the public and no one else.HughFreakingDillon said:
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I do not not know anything about Trumps parents ... nothing about the Trump family leads me to believe they were good parents, Trump behaves like he has never heard the word no and was given whatever he wants...they are the worst parents.HughFreakingDillon said:
yikesMeltdown99 said:
The blame for Trump should be on his parents for not aborting him.fife said:
very interesting article but to be honest, I do get tired of people blaming him for trump because he picked Palin. the Blame for Trump should be placed squarely on the public and no one else.HughFreakingDillon said:Give Peas A Chance…0
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