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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:

    Of course you are talking about social programs, right?  There is a difference in social services/programs and a Socialist Government.  The Bernie bros made that clear on a daily basis back when the dude was relevant.  Most people aren't against social services such as FEMA or firefighters, but many are against Socialism style governments that fully try to exclude the free market.  
    Whether Sanders' message was miscommunicated or misconstrued, I don't think he was opposed to the free market typically: only on products and services which affect the core requirements of modern life. This might include health, emergency services, education, and job-seeking assistance.

    Access to opportunity or staying alive, in my opinion, should not be a fully free market. But then again, opinions are like assholes.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    benjs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    CM189191 said:

    Of course you are talking about social programs, right?  There is a difference in social services/programs and a Socialist Government.  The Bernie bros made that clear on a daily basis back when the dude was relevant.  Most people aren't against social services such as FEMA or firefighters, but many are against Socialism style governments that fully try to exclude the free market.  
    Whether Sanders' message was miscommunicated or misconstrued, I don't think he was opposed to the free market typically: only on products and services which affect the core requirements of modern life. This might include health, emergency services, education, and job-seeking assistance.

    Access to opportunity or staying alive, in my opinion, should not be a fully free market. But then again, opinions are like assholes.
    I would affirm that as well.  I do not believe fully free market or fully socialized governments would work all that great.  I do tend to lean towards letting the free market taking the lead wherever possible thus my libertarian leaning stance, but understand certain social programs are necessary with large populations. In my opinion, government should stay out of it as much as possible and "try" to let the free market thrive.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Well, the problem is that the market thrives; it's just that the people don't, at least not most people. 
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    unsung said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    Houston Mayor really failed these people.
    How so?
    He told everyone to stay put.  Just like Katrina people should have got out.  It was very clear how bad this was going to be.
    So you wanted the government to tell people what to do?
    LFine.  Stay.  Don't cry on TV that your house got flooded out.
    Evacuating doesn't prevent one's house from getting flooded out ... :confused:
    Yeah, I know, but that wasn't the point.
    What is the point? That people who just lost everything they own shouldn't cry on TV?
    Ugh.
    What is your magical diagnosis?  Big GOVNT'MENT making rules 
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Not directed towards pj soul^. Dang the iPhone 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    Most of us are so totally lucky to be sitting in our nice cozy dry homes and talking as if we know what we would do if we lived there.  Shit, I don't have a clue.  Get on an 18 lane freeway with 100,000 maniacs?  Hope my inflatable mattress still hold air?  Wish for a helicopter ride?    I can't imagine being there.
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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    brianlux said:
    Most of us are so totally lucky to be sitting in our nice cozy dry homes and talking as if we know what we would do if we lived there.  Shit, I don't have a clue.  Get on an 18 lane freeway with 100,000 maniacs?  Hope my inflatable mattress still hold air?  Wish for a helicopter ride?    I can't imagine being there.
    I completely agree. That's our hometown and we've been in contact with friends and family for the last week. It's a nightmare down there. Please keep the thoughts & prayers going.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    mfc2006 said:
    brianlux said:
    Most of us are so totally lucky to be sitting in our nice cozy dry homes and talking as if we know what we would do if we lived there.  Shit, I don't have a clue.  Get on an 18 lane freeway with 100,000 maniacs?  Hope my inflatable mattress still hold air?  Wish for a helicopter ride?    I can't imagine being there.
    I completely agree. That's our hometown and we've been in contact with friends and family for the last week. It's a nightmare down there. Please keep the thoughts & prayers going.
    Absolutely!  And I didn't mean to sound like I have it together and everyone else is out to lunch.  I have to stop myself now and then, remember my relative good fortune, and practice some big-time gratitude for being in a fairly safe place in life.  Compared to some places, very safe.

    Good thoughts still going out for our friends in TX.
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    brianlux said:
    mfc2006 said:
    brianlux said:
    Most of us are so totally lucky to be sitting in our nice cozy dry homes and talking as if we know what we would do if we lived there.  Shit, I don't have a clue.  Get on an 18 lane freeway with 100,000 maniacs?  Hope my inflatable mattress still hold air?  Wish for a helicopter ride?    I can't imagine being there.
    I completely agree. That's our hometown and we've been in contact with friends and family for the last week. It's a nightmare down there. Please keep the thoughts & prayers going.
    Absolutely!  And I didn't mean to sound like I have it together and everyone else is out to lunch.  I have to stop myself now and then, remember my relative good fortune, and practice some big-time gratitude for being in a fairly safe place in life.  Compared to some places, very safe.

    Good thoughts still going out for our friends in TX.
    I understood what you meant, man! Gratitude is so important and I think we'd all be better as a country/world if we truly took stock more often.
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  • cincybearcat
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    unsung said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    Houston Mayor really failed these people.
    How so?
    He told everyone to stay put.  Just like Katrina people should have got out.  It was very clear how bad this was going to be.
    So you wanted the government to tell people what to do?
    Fine.  Stay.  Don't cry on TV that your house got flooded out.
    Evacuating doesn't prevent one's house from getting flooded out ... :confused:
    Yeah, I know, but that wasn't the point.
    What is your point then?


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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    https://www.texastribune.org/2017/08/29/houstons-flood-threatens-turn-polluted-superfund-sites-toxic-gumbo/

    This will be problematic in the future.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,646
    tempo_n_groove said:
    https://www.texastribune.org/2017/08/29/houstons-flood-threatens-turn-polluted-superfund-sites-toxic-gumbo/

    This will be problematic in the future.
    It's a really great thing that Trump appointed an obscene critic of the EPA to run the EPA so as to render it ineffective and not help in dealing with this mess. Let the markets regulate themselves. Thanks Donny.
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    https://www.texastribune.org/2017/08/29/houstons-flood-threatens-turn-polluted-superfund-sites-toxic-gumbo/

    This will be problematic in the future.
    It's a really great thing that Trump appointed an obscene critic of the EPA to run the EPA so as to render it ineffective and not help in dealing with this mess. Let the markets regulate themselves. Thanks Donny.
    Trump certainly didn't help but this has been an accident waiting to happen for a good while.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    edited September 2017
    Jason P did you ever hear from your uncle?  I hope he's OK!
    Post edited by Kat on
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  • dankind
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    https://instagram.com/p/BYZ9fMCAoFv/embed/
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    dankind said:
    https://instagram.com/p/BYZ9fMCAoFv/embed/
    Come down from their golden tower and mingle with the common people? You're kidding me, right? C'mon, cut it out!
     
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  • brianlux
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    dankind said:
    https://instagram.com/p/BYZ9fMCAoFv/embed/
    Oh man.  That's worth 4,000 words.
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  • dankind
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/01/dozens-of-countries-offered-help-after-hurricane-katrina-after-harvey-not-so-much/?utm_term=.08ad05254ccf&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    dankind said:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/01/dozens-of-countries-offered-help-after-hurricane-katrina-after-harvey-not-so-much/?utm_term=.08ad05254ccf&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1
    That's horrible.  

    We will have enough people locally to help though.  Did you see the people coming from all over with their boats to help get people to safety?
  • pjhawks
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    dankind said:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/01/dozens-of-countries-offered-help-after-hurricane-katrina-after-harvey-not-so-much/?utm_term=.08ad05254ccf&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1
    That's horrible.  

    We will have enough people locally to help though.  Did you see the people coming from all over with their boats to help get people to safety?
    yes that was one of the beautiful things to see happening.  people helping each other.  as bad as us Americans can treat each other at times we do rally together when needed during crisis.

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