Hurricane Harvey

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    There was no way all those people were going to be able to be evacuate in the time available. If there had been a mass evacuation order we would have seen far more deaths on the roads. Cities simply aren't bully to deal with disasters of this magnitude. 
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  • Go Beavers
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    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    Houston Mayor really failed these people.
    How so?
    He told everyone to stay put.  Just like Katrina people should have got out.  It was very clear how bad this was going to be.
    So you wanted the government to tell people what to do?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    oftenreading said:
    There was no way all those people were going to be able to be evacuate in the time available. If there had been a mass evacuation order we would have seen far more deaths on the roads. Cities simply aren't bully to deal with disasters of this magnitude. 
    fair point but that's a different story.
    the mayor told people not to overreact. how does one take that advice, don't overreact, to something that hasn't yet happened? 

    your deaths on that roads is a hypothesis based on what?

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,860
    JC29856 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JC29856 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    unsung said:
    Houston Mayor really failed these people.
    I feel the same way about Sandy and ALL the politicians in New York.
    did they downplay the storm and tell people not to overreact, not to evacuate?
    No, after the storm.  The lack of doing was what bothered me.
    doesn't compare to a mayor hours before the storm hits, downplays the severity, warns against overreacting and advises not to evacuate.
    if the"government" can issue emergencys and keep people off the roads, they can issue emergencys and issue people on them.
    how people get out is another story but the mayor of Houston should take responsibility for he preparedness warnings.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/us/harvey-storm-hurricane-texas.html?mcubz=1 

    Everybody knew it was coming.  I'm wondering if the people there decided not to leave?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    Houston Mayor really failed these people.
    How so?
    He told everyone to stay put.  Just like Katrina people should have got out.  It was very clear how bad this was going to be.
    So you wanted the government to tell people what to do?
    there is something called the emergency broadcast system, ever hear of it?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,188
    I remember Governor Christie telling us before Sandy to basically get the fuck out because this one is going to be bad.  I never understood why people stayed.
    I'm far enough inland to not evacuate but I did lose power for 12 days.  
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember Governor Christie telling us before Sandy to basically get the fuck out because this one is going to be bad.  I never understood why people stayed.
    I'm far enough inland to not evacuate but I did lose power for 12 days.  
    Christie ever tell you to stay off the roads due to a snow emergency? those not listening to their government could face fines and imprisonment.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,188
    JC29856 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember Governor Christie telling us before Sandy to basically get the fuck out because this one is going to be bad.  I never understood why people stayed.
    I'm far enough inland to not evacuate but I did lose power for 12 days.  
    Christie ever tell you to stay off the roads due to a snow emergency? those not listening to their government could face fines and imprisonment.
    Yeah he definitely has many times.  
    I also remember saying if you do stay, which I strong urge you to not, but if you do stay we will not be able to rescue you.  So please leave.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,392
    JJ Watts fund is almost at $10M.  I felt best giving there because I think it will get to the people instead of covering overhead of a foundation

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  • cincybearcat
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/opinion/harvey-flooding-mayor-evacuation.html

    "In total, some 130 people died in that evacuation, more than have ever perished in a hurricane in the state’s history, with the exception of the 1900 Galveston storm. Of those deaths, about half occurred before the storm hit Texas."

    That's from the evacuation of Rita.  130 people. 
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  • Jason P
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    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    Houston Mayor really failed these people.
    How so?
    He told everyone to stay put.  Just like Katrina people should have got out.  It was very clear how bad this was going to be.
    Put over six million people on the road at the same time during a hurricane?  How could anything go wrong with that plan?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    JC29856 said:
    oftenreading said:
    There was no way all those people were going to be able to be evacuate in the time available. If there had been a mass evacuation order we would have seen far more deaths on the roads. Cities simply aren't bully to deal with disasters of this magnitude. 
    fair point but that's a different story.
    the mayor told people not to overreact. how does one take that advice, don't overreact, to something that hasn't yet happened? 

    your deaths on that roads is a hypothesis based on what?


    Did you actually read that article? It's certainly short enough to read. Did you note their mention of gridlock, panicked drivers, abandoned cars that people had to walk away from?

    Now imagine all of that, with the current flooding on the roads.

    As cincy says above, 130 people died in that evacuation, and Rita was a far weaker storm than Harvey.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    And to add to my comment above - of the 130 people who died in the Rita evacuation, half died before the storm hit. They died simply due to the evacuation process itself, uncomplicated by the weather effects. Mass evacuations are not benign procedures.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    oftenreading said:
    JC29856 said:
    oftenreading said:
    There was no way all those people were going to be able to be evacuate in the time available. If there had been a mass evacuation order we would have seen far more deaths on the roads. Cities simply aren't bully to deal with disasters of this magnitude. 
    fair point but that's a different story.
    the mayor told people not to overreact. how does one take that advice, don't overreact, to something that hasn't yet happened? 

    your deaths on that roads is a hypothesis based on what?


    Did you actually read that article? It's certainly short enough to read. Did you note their mention of gridlock, panicked drivers, abandoned cars that people had to walk away from?

    Now imagine all of that, with the current flooding on the roads.

    As cincy says above, 130 people died in that evacuation, and Rita was a far weaker storm than Harvey.
     my takeaway is...well since we haven't done anything in 12 years to mitigate the risks of natural disasters, evacuation routes, drainage etc, let's wait until it's too late to advise what to do.
    very sensible.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,860
    Jason P said:
    JJ Watts fund is almost at $10M.  I felt best giving there because I think it will get to the people instead of covering overhead of a foundation

    https://www.youcaring.com/victimsofhurricaneharvey-915053
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    Houston Mayor really failed these people.
    How so?
    He told everyone to stay put.  Just like Katrina people should have got out.  It was very clear how bad this was going to be.
    Is he king? Are people not able to decide for themselves what to do? You need a government official to control your life? To tell you what decisions to make or not make? What'd the governor say? Couldn't the governor have declared a mandatory evacuation?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    JC29856 said:
    oftenreading said:
    JC29856 said:
    oftenreading said:
    There was no way all those people were going to be able to be evacuate in the time available. If there had been a mass evacuation order we would have seen far more deaths on the roads. Cities simply aren't bully to deal with disasters of this magnitude. 
    fair point but that's a different story.
    the mayor told people not to overreact. how does one take that advice, don't overreact, to something that hasn't yet happened? 

    your deaths on that roads is a hypothesis based on what?


    Did you actually read that article? It's certainly short enough to read. Did you note their mention of gridlock, panicked drivers, abandoned cars that people had to walk away from?

    Now imagine all of that, with the current flooding on the roads.

    As cincy says above, 130 people died in that evacuation, and Rita was a far weaker storm than Harvey.
     my takeaway is...well since we haven't done anything in 12 years to mitigate the risks of natural disasters, evacuation routes, drainage etc, let's wait until it's too late to advise what to do.
    very sensible.

    Of course that's your takeaway. It isn't anyone else's take away, but glad you own it.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,860
    JC29856 said:
    oftenreading said:
    JC29856 said:
    oftenreading said:
    There was no way all those people were going to be able to be evacuate in the time available. If there had been a mass evacuation order we would have seen far more deaths on the roads. Cities simply aren't bully to deal with disasters of this magnitude. 
    fair point but that's a different story.
    the mayor told people not to overreact. how does one take that advice, don't overreact, to something that hasn't yet happened? 

    your deaths on that roads is a hypothesis based on what?


    Did you actually read that article? It's certainly short enough to read. Did you note their mention of gridlock, panicked drivers, abandoned cars that people had to walk away from?

    Now imagine all of that, with the current flooding on the roads.

    As cincy says above, 130 people died in that evacuation, and Rita was a far weaker storm than Harvey.
     my takeaway is...well since we haven't done anything in 12 years to mitigate the risks of natural disasters, evacuation routes, drainage etc, let's wait until it's too late to advise what to do.
    very sensible.
    I will bite on this...

    Hurricane Rita was coming after Katrina hit  and the state of Texas demanded an evacuation of the whole south rim.  There was gridlock for hours.  The storm came and went and no damage and the people were pissed.  You can't please everyone I guess.

    here is an article on the evacuation relived 5 years later.

    http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/8-years-ago-seemingly-all-of-Houston-evacuated-4839142.php
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Insert Paul Ryan pic please...

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