The Concept of God

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i'm not afraid to call myself an atheist. i always called myself that until i found out what agnostic was. while i don't believe in god, i'm open to the idea of it. that's all. 
    I hear what you're saying.
    I consider myself a person that holds a belief that god does not exist (if atheist is the term then call me an atheist) but I would certainly love evidence to prove that way of thinking wrong. 

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited May 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rgambs said:

    I've enjoyed your discussion hugh? and allison, and I'm going to have to take the lady's side here. 
    God is a fairly well defined concept that can't just be ascribed to anything.

    If you think that God is the universe or nature or love, or that God is the fact that there is a vague "higher power", you are just an atheist who is afraid to admit what you are lol
    can someone point me in the direction of something that says god has to be this specific set of details that the two of you have mapped out? :lol:
    Well for one, it is made clear in every dictionary definition. But it is also defined as such by every single religion that ever existed, by every work of literature I've ever seen about god or against god (excluding metaphors), by every major philosophical argument for and against the existence of god that I've ever come across, by every major theologian and atheist on the "circuit", by everything that is known about the oldest ancient history of the concept of god .... Can you explain why you think god does not necessarily have to possess this basic kind of quality and still be god? Because I sincerely don't understand how you can take away that factor of the concept - what I see as literally the only defining factor of the concept - and still think it can be called god.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I can understand there is a concept of god but what I don't understand is why the alternative concept of no god is not conceptible in some minds.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I'll just second that with a yes ma'am thank you, and reiterate, the dictionary.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    I'm going with my long held pair of beliefs that:
    -If there is a God and we try to define that God in human terms then we have made that God too small.
    -Based on the above, my belief is that anything that fall under the heading God is inexplicable therefore is a mystery therefore God = Mystery.

    Exceptions to the above for me include statements such as:
    "Eno is God"
    "Fripp is God"
    "Sun Ra is God"
    etc.


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885

    Why does the word god have to be capitalized when typed or written?

  • FoxyRedLa
    FoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    I'm not sure I want to enter this rabbit hole.

    What exactly is the discussion here. I feel it's out of my league. The concept of God is the discussion? Either you believe or you dont, right? The discussion just keeps going around and around because one side fights they believe and the other fights they dont.....
    Oh please let it rain today.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    FoxyRedLa said:
    I'm not sure I want to enter this rabbit hole.

    What exactly is the discussion here. I feel it's out of my league. The concept of God is the discussion? Either you believe or you dont, right? The discussion just keeps going around and around because one side fights they believe and the other fights they dont.....
    it doesn't need to be whether one believes in it or not. just what you think, if god exists, what is it? doesn't even have to do anything with religion. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rgambs said:

    I've enjoyed your discussion hugh? and allison, and I'm going to have to take the lady's side here. 
    God is a fairly well defined concept that can't just be ascribed to anything.

    If you think that God is the universe or nature or love, or that God is the fact that there is a vague "higher power", you are just an atheist who is afraid to admit what you are lol
    can someone point me in the direction of something that says god has to be this specific set of details that the two of you have mapped out? :lol:
    Well for one, it is made clear in every dictionary definition. But it is also defined as such by every single religion that ever existed, by every work of literature I've ever seen about god or against god (excluding metaphors), by every major philosophical argument for and against the existence of god that I've ever come across, by every major theologian and atheist on the "circuit", by everything that is known about the oldest ancient history of the concept of god .... Can you explain why you think god does not necessarily have to possess this basic kind of quality and still be god? Because I sincerely don't understand how you can take away that factor of the concept - what I see as literally the only defining factor of the concept - and still think it can be called god.
    wow, that's pretty absolute. every single definition, every single work of literature, every major argument for or against god? 

    guess there's no basis for this thread then. :lol:
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    why does there have to be a purpose? how did we come to the conclusion that if there is a god, that it created everything for a reason? why? 

    so if there is no god, as you have stated, then what is the purpose? wouldn't that mean then, to you, the lack of god means the lack of purpose then?

    they way i see it, even if there is a god, i don't see a purpose. maybe that's where i'm coming from. i can't say for sure there isn't a god, but i find it even more difficult to imagine that there is a purpose to all of this. billions upon billions of people born and die, do nothing but destroy their home planet. i guess it's rooted in pessimism or cynicism. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Why does the word god have to be capitalized when typed or written?

    In this thread because we are talking about God not gods.  At least that was my impression.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    scientific pantheism believes the universe and nature are the divine. the divine is defined as a god, or like a god. they believe that the universe has no purpose. it exists for and of itself. 

    so there's one. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    I always forget, do religious people believe everyone is born in sin or just them?
    everyone is born sinful apparently. even super cute little babies. that's why they say you need christ, to act as a sin blocker so god can't see them in you. even though christ is god.

    god is god. 
    jesus is god's son. 
    god can't see you or your sins with jesus in the way. 
    but god is jesus. 

    never made sense to me. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    One thing I can tell you for sure: bunny rabbits are not born in sin.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    brianlux said:
    One thing I can tell you for sure: bunny rabbits are not born in sin.

    Well they are mammals.

    Ah, you better stop me before I begin.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    brianlux said:
    One thing I can tell you for sure: bunny rabbits are not born in sin.
    this is hilarious. as i was checking on our resident litter (they left the nest!!! noooo! they'd better visit), and doing some gardening, i was thinking of that very question, and thought to myself 'bunnies are born pure'. :rofl:
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    One thing I can tell you for sure: bunny rabbits are not born in sin.
    this is hilarious. as i was checking on our resident litter (they left the nest!!! noooo! they'd better visit), and doing some gardening, i was thinking of that very question, and thought to myself 'bunnies are born pure'. :rofl:
    LOL, so true!  :plus_one:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2017
    FoxyRedLa said:
    I'm not sure I want to enter this rabbit hole.

    What exactly is the discussion here. I feel it's out of my league. The concept of God is the discussion? Either you believe or you dont, right? The discussion just keeps going around and around because one side fights they believe and the other fights they dont.....

    It's not out of your league if you took the time post your thoughts. 
    AMT is not a big and scary place.  Unless you get banned of course.
    Your thoughts are always welcome here.


  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    rgambs said:
    Shit yeah Rick and Morty! 
    Instant classic show
    I want more season three!
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Concept of god?

    Sure.

    Acceptance or denial of god?

    Sure.

    Not sure?

    No problem with that.

    Unless I come upon some strange (or not) happening that seals the deal for me - "NO GOD, those who think otherwise are fools!" - or "There IS a god, yada yada", I'm pretty ok with being on the fence, as anything otherwise would feel untrue to myself.  To MYself.

    Anyone who judges?  S'ok.  Reflects more on them than myself.

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