The AMT Marijuana Thread

Meltdown99

vaggar99 said:

Meltdown99 said:

It is interesting concept ... I never thought of the possibility of Cannabis for treating other addictions??  Why not?  It'd be worth studying, plenty of rehab clinics with plenty of volulnteersfor a study.

its pretty straightforward actually.  if you had to be addicted to something, might as well be marijuana.

I agree with you there ...

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

Speaking of rehab clinics.  Has anyone ever seriously looked into there effectiveness.  My brother was an alcoholic who passed away way to young.  He went to rehab 4 times and was in AA.  None of that helped him.  I spent a few days reading articles about AA and these rehab clinics.  My conclusion after reading these articles ... shady, these rehab places seem shady.  AA seems shady, there is no clear cut data that anyone can produce to prove what AA success rate is (partly because it anonymous), but most rehab clinics use AA's 12 step program and in many places these rehab clinics do not have to disclose their success rate.  If you could prove a high success rate, why would you not disclose that?  They were interesting articles.

I’m sorry to hear about your brother, meltdown. 

AA resists research by its very nature, which I agree is an issue. However, residential treatment programs should definitely be able to provide outcome data on their clients. Even if they have components of 12 step programming their client base is certainly not anonymous, given their admissions procedures and need for payment. I would suggest anyone be wary of a program that can’t provide robust outcome data, because it suggests they haven’t bothered to see if their practices are helpful and evidence based. 

helplessdancer

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

brianlux

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

aka, "couch lock".  Oh yeah!

my2hands

Bunch of fucking hippy stoners

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

why the fuck would rehab clinics be lobbying to keep weed illegal? who goes to rehab for weed?

I agree, though, that the medicinal properties that people are waking up to with weed are enough to keep big pharma on the offensive and it will be just as difficult at the federal level to get weed legalized as it would to change 2A. 

I talked to a guy in a dispensary in Southern Oregon who seemed very  knowledgeable.  He said that cannabis has been used very successfully up there for people addicted to heavier drugs/narcotics.  If he is right (and I have no reason thus far not to believe him) then it would make more sense for rehad centers to support marijuana legalization. 

No way - lots of rehab facilities are most concerned with money by far (some to the point where they specifically try to keep people in there longer than they need to be), just like in any other business. They'd be against something helps people get off hard drugs without rehab because that would cut into their profits.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Speaking of rehab clinics.  Has anyone ever seriously looked into there effectiveness.  My brother was an alcoholic who passed away way to young.  He went to rehab 4 times and was in AA.  None of that helped him.  I spent a few days reading articles about AA and these rehab clinics.  My conclusion after reading these articles ... shady, these rehab places seem shady.  AA seems shady, there is no clear cut data that anyone can produce to prove what AA success rate is (partly because it anonymous), but most rehab clinics use AA's 12 step program and in many places these rehab clinics do not have to disclose their success rate.  If you could prove a high success rate, why would you not disclose that?  They were interesting articles.

The rate of successful rehab is abysmally low in general (like, a 14% - 16% long term recovery rate would be considered really good!), and yes, the rehab industry is shady as fuck, although there really are upstanding and truly well-meaning centres out there of course. People should certainly not just assume that a rehab centre has the patient's best interests in mind. And AA I think can be helpful, but again, the long term success rates are horribly low anyhow, so obviously addiction programs aren't generally very effective, both because of the strength of addiction, but also because of the methods used (or not used) in them. Plus, AA depends on religion a fair bit, so it's not appropriate for some people, assuming the religious aspect is important to the process (which is supposedly is). And in a lot of cases AA just brings people with huge problems together and they get in a lot of trouble with one another sometimes.
All that said, my grandfather was an alcoholic for decades, and he went down to the States to a Betty Ford clinic and did kick the addiction - he never drank again (although a powerful addiction to 3 packs of Camels a day killed him anyhow, eventually... No condolences necessary though - he was actually an asshole and a crappy husband, father, and grandfather, even when sober).

oftenreading

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

600mg?? Are you sure of that dose? That’s such a massive amount of THC. Hard to imagine anyone functioning on that. 

Meltdown99

I was just reading today that Ontario has only approved 4 retail locations to sell Cannabis.  It could have simply been placed in the LCBO where the infrastructure is place.  I think Ford has stated that's the way he's leaning at this time.  

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Speaking of rehab clinics.  Has anyone ever seriously looked into there effectiveness.  My brother was an alcoholic who passed away way to young.  He went to rehab 4 times and was in AA.  None of that helped him.  I spent a few days reading articles about AA and these rehab clinics.  My conclusion after reading these articles ... shady, these rehab places seem shady.  AA seems shady, there is no clear cut data that anyone can produce to prove what AA success rate is (partly because it anonymous), but most rehab clinics use AA's 12 step program and in many places these rehab clinics do not have to disclose their success rate.  If you could prove a high success rate, why would you not disclose that?  They were interesting articles.

The rate of successful rehab is abysmally low in general (like, a 14% - 16% long term recovery rate would be considered really good!), and yes, the rehab industry is shady as fuck, although there really are upstanding and truly well-meaning centres out there of course. People should certainly not just assume that a rehab centre has the patient's best interests in mind. And AA I think can be helpful, but again, the long term success rates are horribly low anyhow, so obviously addiction programs aren't generally very effective, both because of the strength of addiction, but also because of the methods used (or not used) in them. Plus, AA depends on religion a fair bit, so it's not appropriate for some people, assuming the religious aspect is important to the process (which is supposedly is). And in a lot of cases AA just brings people with huge problems together and they get in a lot of trouble with one another sometimes.
All that said, my grandfather was an alcoholic for decades, and he went down to the States to a Betty Ford clinic and did kick the addiction - he never drank again (although a powerful addiction to 3 packs of Camels a day killed him anyhow, eventually... No condolences necessary though - he was actually an asshole and a crappy husband, father, and grandfather, even when sober).

The statics you quoted were similar to the one I was seeing.  I'm glad you mentioned the religious aspect.  That's a lot of smoking, one after the other almost...and thanks for being honest.

My brother was a good guy ... just couldn't sit drinking.

Meltdown99

oftenreading said:

Meltdown99 said:

Speaking of rehab clinics.  Has anyone ever seriously looked into there effectiveness.  My brother was an alcoholic who passed away way to young.  He went to rehab 4 times and was in AA.  None of that helped him.  I spent a few days reading articles about AA and these rehab clinics.  My conclusion after reading these articles ... shady, these rehab places seem shady.  AA seems shady, there is no clear cut data that anyone can produce to prove what AA success rate is (partly because it anonymous), but most rehab clinics use AA's 12 step program and in many places these rehab clinics do not have to disclose their success rate.  If you could prove a high success rate, why would you not disclose that?  They were interesting articles.

I’m sorry to hear about your brother, meltdown. 

AA resists research by its very nature, which I agree is an issue. However, residential treatment programs should definitely be able to provide outcome data on their clients. Even if they have components of 12 step programming their client base is certainly not anonymous, given their admissions procedures and need for payment. I would suggest anyone be wary of a program that can’t provide robust outcome data, because it suggests they haven’t bothered to see if their practices are helpful and evidence based. 

thank you.  The rehab he was in went by AA's 12 step program.  He needed a better alternative.

vaggar99

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

gotta be careful with those edibles.  they can be quite scary in high enough doses

oftenreading

vaggar99 said:

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

gotta be careful with those edibles.  they can be quite scary in high enough doses

And that’s a really high dose. Geared to the medicinal crowd, not recreational, but nothing stops a recreational user from accessing it. 

helplessdancer

oftenreading said:

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

600mg?? Are you sure of that dose? That’s such a massive amount of THC. Hard to imagine anyone functioning on that. 

very sure of the dose. at least it said that on the professional looking, tamper proof logo-designed, ziplock package i received. i was doing 333mg pills and 100mg pills also for kicks. all bought from the same dispensary. you can't die from it so i tried it lol. now i mostly do 100-200mgs/dose when i play with that stuff.
 
but i should be responsible here and say this dosage is NOT for beginners. for example my buddy did two 10mg pills in colorado and had to leave the bar right away to go back to the hotel...

PJ_Soul

vaggar99 said:

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

gotta be careful with those edibles.  they can be quite scary in high enough doses

You do... although it only feels like you're dying when you take too much, lol. That is why so many people who eat too many edibles tend to feel like they need to go to the ER. But they don't. It always passes without doing any actual harm. It's not the same as an OD or alcohol poisoning at all. But yeah, it can be scary at the time, especially since you're too high to have a good handle on the idea that you just have to wait it out.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

gotta be careful with those edibles.  they can be quite scary in high enough doses

You do... although it only feels like you're dying when you take too much, lol. That is why so many people who eat too many edibles tend to feel like they need to go to the ER. But they don't. It always passes without doing any actual harm. It's not the same as an OD or alcohol poisoning at all. But yeah, it can be scary at the time, especially since you're too high to have a good handle on the idea that you just have to wait it out.

well, I guess this post confirms I will never try edibles fucking ever. LOL

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

gotta be careful with those edibles.  they can be quite scary in high enough doses

You do... although it only feels like you're dying when you take too much, lol. That is why so many people who eat too many edibles tend to feel like they need to go to the ER. But they don't. It always passes without doing any actual harm. It's not the same as an OD or alcohol poisoning at all. But yeah, it can be scary at the time, especially since you're too high to have a good handle on the idea that you just have to wait it out.

well, I guess this post confirms I will never try edibles fucking ever. LOL

Well, if you ever change your mind, or if anyone you know eats too much, keep this post in mind... When you or they start talking about going to the hospital, talk yourself down or talk them out of it, hahaha. It will just be a big waste of time and resources.

vaggar99

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

gotta be careful with those edibles.  they can be quite scary in high enough doses

You do... although it only feels like you're dying when you take too much, lol. That is why so many people who eat too many edibles tend to feel like they need to go to the ER. But they don't. It always passes without doing any actual harm. It's not the same as an OD or alcohol poisoning at all. But yeah, it can be scary at the time, especially since you're too high to have a good handle on the idea that you just have to wait it out.

well, I guess this post confirms I will never try edibles fucking ever. LOL

if you've ever tried LSD, a strong edible is similar.

PJ_Soul

vaggar99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

gotta be careful with those edibles.  they can be quite scary in high enough doses

You do... although it only feels like you're dying when you take too much, lol. That is why so many people who eat too many edibles tend to feel like they need to go to the ER. But they don't. It always passes without doing any actual harm. It's not the same as an OD or alcohol poisoning at all. But yeah, it can be scary at the time, especially since you're too high to have a good handle on the idea that you just have to wait it out.

well, I guess this post confirms I will never try edibles fucking ever. LOL

if you've ever tried LSD, a strong edible is similar.

I actually don't find this to quite be true, but I know why you're saying it. The way I've always felt about edibles and mushrooms, as someone who enjoyed a ton of acid back in the day, is that they're both too strong and too mild at the same time. They are way stronger than smoking weed, taking you into the magic mushroom zone. But they're still "weaker" than LSD in the psychedelic experience context. And for me, that puts edibles and shrooms right in "the awkward zone", lol. Assuming you're taking a dose that will provide you with hours of fun, haha, you're too high to have a really good grasp on things, but not high enough to seriously ride the trip without worrying where it's going. Plus, the body high with edibles combined with the head high just doesn't feel very good IMHO. But that's just me. Everyone's different. Plenty of people obviously like edibles, and I would never suggest to anyone that they not try them at least once to see how it works for them. Since they're not going to harm you at the end of the day, why not give a shot? I think one bad trip is well worth trying something you might really enjoy. And FWIW, even though I just said all that, it's still interesting enough for me to know that I'll for sure do edibles again in the future. I'd say it comes up every few years or so, and I'm always willing to indulge, so it's obviously not all bad.

HughFreakingDillon

vaggar99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

helplessdancer said:

i know of at least 1 dispensary that was offering free thc capsules for program approved opioid addicts, to try to get them off that shi t
600mg per pill
i bought one just for kicks and had to stay on the couch for awhile....

gotta be careful with those edibles.  they can be quite scary in high enough doses

You do... although it only feels like you're dying when you take too much, lol. That is why so many people who eat too many edibles tend to feel like they need to go to the ER. But they don't. It always passes without doing any actual harm. It's not the same as an OD or alcohol poisoning at all. But yeah, it can be scary at the time, especially since you're too high to have a good handle on the idea that you just have to wait it out.

well, I guess this post confirms I will never try edibles fucking ever. LOL

if you've ever tried LSD, a strong edible is similar.

I never did. was always shit scared of it. even if all my friends were doing it, I said "nope, no thanks". the one time I didn't cave to peer pressure. 

I loved mushrooms, but never wanted anything stronger than that. tried coke once, but did nothing for me. unfortunately, my ex loved it. turned her into a coke head for a while. then she started banging a guy who owned a bowling alley who supplied her with it. then had a lesbian experience ON THE ALLEY in front of me and everyone else there with a lady friend of his. when I turned around to see who was there, the bowling alley owner was sitting there with nothing but his shirt on. 

but that's a story for another time.