The AMT Marijuana Thread

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Cannabis becomes the next arena for single issue voters in Colorado, according to this article. An interesting look at how political parties and candidates are evolving, or not, with respect to cannabis. 

Meet Colorado’s New Single-Issue Voters: The Cannabis Community   https://nyti.ms/2IoUyRy

HughFreakingDillon

why the fuck would rehab clinics be lobbying to keep weed illegal? who goes to rehab for weed?

I agree, though, that the medicinal properties that people are waking up to with weed are enough to keep big pharma on the offensive and it will be just as difficult at the federal level to get weed legalized as it would to change 2A. 

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What would happen if every US state legalized it?  Could this force the federal governments hands to finally legalize it federally?

I would think it would have to but I also doubt every state will legalize it.  But maybe someday.

I agree not every state will legalize it ... 

It will be legalized federally before every state does that.
I think the US will definitely legalize eventually, as more and more other countries do so, and while more and more states go for it. Canada and Uruguay are just the first two nations - I think now that Canada's done it, the domino effect is likely to take hold over the next several years. Probably Britain will be next, but we'll see.

If Obama did not push for legalization I predict it will never be approved federally in the US ... Big Pharma, The alcohol industry and now I've read that these rehab clinics now spend money to lobby the government to keep weed illegal. Fuck the politicians I don't need their permission to medicate myself with something far safer than shit coming from big Pharma.

Hugh Dillon (the real one) was asked on a podcast about the legalization of weed. what he said was so punk rock. 

"I don't give a shit about it at all. I mean, people need to stop looking to the government for permission on how to live their lives". I'm paraphrasing, but that was the jist. 

made me chuckle. 

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What would happen if every US state legalized it?  Could this force the federal governments hands to finally legalize it federally?

I would think it would have to but I also doubt every state will legalize it.  But maybe someday.

I agree not every state will legalize it ... 

It will be legalized federally before every state does that.
I think the US will definitely legalize eventually, as more and more other countries do so, and while more and more states go for it. Canada and Uruguay are just the first two nations - I think now that Canada's done it, the domino effect is likely to take hold over the next several years. Probably Britain will be next, but we'll see.

If Obama did not push for legalization I predict it will never be approved federally in the US ... Big Pharma, The alcohol industry and now I've read that these rehab clinics now spend money to lobby the government to keep weed illegal. Fuck the politicians I don't need their permission to medicate myself with something far safer than shit coming from big Pharma.

Hugh Dillon (the real one) was asked on a podcast about the legalization of weed. what he said was so punk rock. 

"I don't give a shit about it at all. I mean, people need to stop looking to the government for permission on how to live their lives". I'm paraphrasing, but that was the jist. 

made me chuckle. 

Amusing, but easy to say as someone who won't ever be prosecuted for it.

Meltdown99

HughFreakingDillon said:

why the fuck would rehab clinics be lobbying to keep weed illegal? who goes to rehab for weed?

I agree, though, that the medicinal properties that people are waking up to with weed are enough to keep big pharma on the offensive and it will be just as difficult at the federal level to get weed legalized as it would to change 2A. 

I am going to assume that they are thinking that maybe people who use weed wont't drink, less alcoholism ... or they are opposed based on their personal experience with addiction.  

Meltdown99

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What would happen if every US state legalized it?  Could this force the federal governments hands to finally legalize it federally?

I would think it would have to but I also doubt every state will legalize it.  But maybe someday.

I agree not every state will legalize it ... 

It will be legalized federally before every state does that.
I think the US will definitely legalize eventually, as more and more other countries do so, and while more and more states go for it. Canada and Uruguay are just the first two nations - I think now that Canada's done it, the domino effect is likely to take hold over the next several years. Probably Britain will be next, but we'll see.

If Obama did not push for legalization I predict it will never be approved federally in the US ... Big Pharma, The alcohol industry and now I've read that these rehab clinics now spend money to lobby the government to keep weed illegal. Fuck the politicians I don't need their permission to medicate myself with something far safer than shit coming from big Pharma.

Hugh Dillon (the real one) was asked on a podcast about the legalization of weed. what he said was so punk rock. 

"I don't give a shit about it at all. I mean, people need to stop looking to the government for permission on how to live their lives". I'm paraphrasing, but that was the jist. 

made me chuckle. 

I agree with him 100 percent ... 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What would happen if every US state legalized it?  Could this force the federal governments hands to finally legalize it federally?

I would think it would have to but I also doubt every state will legalize it.  But maybe someday.

I agree not every state will legalize it ... 

It will be legalized federally before every state does that.
I think the US will definitely legalize eventually, as more and more other countries do so, and while more and more states go for it. Canada and Uruguay are just the first two nations - I think now that Canada's done it, the domino effect is likely to take hold over the next several years. Probably Britain will be next, but we'll see.

If Obama did not push for legalization I predict it will never be approved federally in the US ... Big Pharma, The alcohol industry and now I've read that these rehab clinics now spend money to lobby the government to keep weed illegal. Fuck the politicians I don't need their permission to medicate myself with something far safer than shit coming from big Pharma.

Hugh Dillon (the real one) was asked on a podcast about the legalization of weed. what he said was so punk rock. 

"I don't give a shit about it at all. I mean, people need to stop looking to the government for permission on how to live their lives". I'm paraphrasing, but that was the jist. 

made me chuckle. 

That's really easy to say until you're arrested for possession.

Meltdown99

I think his point is that its a bullshit law ,,, who created that law ... the fucking European conquerers.  I'm pretty sure our First Nations people are far smarter than the European conquerers to not even give it a second thought.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

I think his point is that its a bullshit law ,,, who created that law ... the fucking European conquerers.  I'm pretty sure our First Nations people are far smarter than the European conquerers to not even give it a second thought.

I understand his point and I agree with it. I'm just saying, it's easy to call a law bullshit and say people shouldn't obey it until you suffer the consequences of doing so (I have suffered those consequences in the past). That is why I'm pro-legalization instead of just saying "fuck legalization, we should be able to do what we want!!" when thinking of the issue realistically at this point in history. I don't think it's very useful to look at this issue emotionally.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What would happen if every US state legalized it?  Could this force the federal governments hands to finally legalize it federally?

I would think it would have to but I also doubt every state will legalize it.  But maybe someday.

I agree not every state will legalize it ... 

It will be legalized federally before every state does that.
I think the US will definitely legalize eventually, as more and more other countries do so, and while more and more states go for it. Canada and Uruguay are just the first two nations - I think now that Canada's done it, the domino effect is likely to take hold over the next several years. Probably Britain will be next, but we'll see.

If Obama did not push for legalization I predict it will never be approved federally in the US ... Big Pharma, The alcohol industry and now I've read that these rehab clinics now spend money to lobby the government to keep weed illegal. Fuck the politicians I don't need their permission to medicate myself with something far safer than shit coming from big Pharma.

Hugh Dillon (the real one) was asked on a podcast about the legalization of weed. what he said was so punk rock. 

"I don't give a shit about it at all. I mean, people need to stop looking to the government for permission on how to live their lives". I'm paraphrasing, but that was the jist. 

made me chuckle. 

That's really easy to say until you're arrested for possession.

from listening to Hugh in interviews over the years, he says a lot of stuff just to sound cool. which is why I found it amusing. and he's been sober for years now, so honestly, he has no horse in the race. so of course he can say something like that. 

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

I think his point is that its a bullshit law ,,, who created that law ... the fucking European conquerers.  I'm pretty sure our First Nations people are far smarter than the European conquerers to not even give it a second thought.

I understand his point and I agree with it. I'm just saying, it's easy to call a law bullshit and say people shouldn't obey it until you suffer the consequences of doing so (I have suffered those consequences in the past). That is why I'm pro-legalization instead of just saying "fuck legalization, we should be able to do what we want!!" when thinking of the issue realistically at this point in history. I don't think it's very useful to look at this issue emotionally.

I'm pro non of the fucking governements fucking business...but I hear what you are saying...no one should ever be charge for consumption.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

why the fuck would rehab clinics be lobbying to keep weed illegal? who goes to rehab for weed?

I agree, though, that the medicinal properties that people are waking up to with weed are enough to keep big pharma on the offensive and it will be just as difficult at the federal level to get weed legalized as it would to change 2A. 

I talked to a guy in a dispensary in Southern Oregon who seemed very  knowledgeable.  He said that cannabis has been used very successfully up there for people addicted to heavier drugs/narcotics.  If he is right (and I have no reason thus far not to believe him) then it would make more sense for rehad centers to support marijuana legalization. 

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

why the fuck would rehab clinics be lobbying to keep weed illegal? who goes to rehab for weed?

I agree, though, that the medicinal properties that people are waking up to with weed are enough to keep big pharma on the offensive and it will be just as difficult at the federal level to get weed legalized as it would to change 2A. 

I talked to a guy in a dispensary in Southern Oregon who seemed very  knowledgeable.  He said that cannabis has been used very successfully up there for people addicted to heavier drugs/narcotics.  If he is right (and I have no reason thus far not to believe him) then it would make more sense for rehad centers to support marijuana legalization. 

When he says "up there", does he mean Canada?  I never heard of cannabis being used to other addictions here in Canada.  Not saying it's not happening. 

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

why the fuck would rehab clinics be lobbying to keep weed illegal? who goes to rehab for weed?

I agree, though, that the medicinal properties that people are waking up to with weed are enough to keep big pharma on the offensive and it will be just as difficult at the federal level to get weed legalized as it would to change 2A. 

I talked to a guy in a dispensary in Southern Oregon who seemed very  knowledgeable.  He said that cannabis has been used very successfully up there for people addicted to heavier drugs/narcotics.  If he is right (and I have no reason thus far not to believe him) then it would make more sense for rehad centers to support marijuana legalization. 

When he says "up there", does he mean Canada?  I never heard of cannabis being used to other addictions here in Canada.  Not saying it's not happening. 

Up there as in oregon is 'above' california. 

Meltdown99

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

why the fuck would rehab clinics be lobbying to keep weed illegal? who goes to rehab for weed?

I agree, though, that the medicinal properties that people are waking up to with weed are enough to keep big pharma on the offensive and it will be just as difficult at the federal level to get weed legalized as it would to change 2A. 

I talked to a guy in a dispensary in Southern Oregon who seemed very  knowledgeable.  He said that cannabis has been used very successfully up there for people addicted to heavier drugs/narcotics.  If he is right (and I have no reason thus far not to believe him) then it would make more sense for rehad centers to support marijuana legalization. 

When he says "up there", does he mean Canada?  I never heard of cannabis being used to other addictions here in Canada.  Not saying it's not happening. 

Up there as in oregon is 'above' california. 

Thanks for clarifying ... many Americans I talk to sometimes refer to Canada as "up there" ...

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

why the fuck would rehab clinics be lobbying to keep weed illegal? who goes to rehab for weed?

I agree, though, that the medicinal properties that people are waking up to with weed are enough to keep big pharma on the offensive and it will be just as difficult at the federal level to get weed legalized as it would to change 2A. 

I talked to a guy in a dispensary in Southern Oregon who seemed very  knowledgeable.  He said that cannabis has been used very successfully up there for people addicted to heavier drugs/narcotics.  If he is right (and I have no reason thus far not to believe him) then it would make more sense for rehad centers to support marijuana legalization. 

When he says "up there", does he mean Canada?  I never heard of cannabis being used to other addictions here in Canada.  Not saying it's not happening. 

Up there as in oregon is 'above' california. 

Thanks for clarifying ... many Americans I talk to sometimes refer to Canada as "up there" ...

oh, haha, i know. 

Meltdown99

It is interesting concept ... I never thought of the possibility of Cannabis for treating other addictions??  Why not?  It'd be worth studying, plenty of rehab clinics with plenty of volulnteersfor a study.

Meltdown99

I was talking to a guy the other day who said all Cannabis ever did for him was make him jittery ... I asked him "if he ever considered the 5 large coffees he consumes as the possible cause of his jitters" ... he claims he is still jittery even though he gave up Cannabis.  He's jitterery from all the coffee ... fucking idiot.

I just recently cut my coffee intake to 2 cups a day and feel better for it.

Meltdown99

Speaking of rehab clinics.  Has anyone ever seriously looked into there effectiveness.  My brother was an alcoholic who passed away way to young.  He went to rehab 4 times and was in AA.  None of that helped him.  I spent a few days reading articles about AA and these rehab clinics.  My conclusion after reading these articles ... shady, these rehab places seem shady.  AA seems shady, there is no clear cut data that anyone can produce to prove what AA success rate is (partly because it anonymous), but most rehab clinics use AA's 12 step program and in many places these rehab clinics do not have to disclose their success rate.  If you could prove a high success rate, why would you not disclose that?  They were interesting articles.

vaggar99

Meltdown99 said:

It is interesting concept ... I never thought of the possibility of Cannabis for treating other addictions??  Why not?  It'd be worth studying, plenty of rehab clinics with plenty of volulnteersfor a study.

its pretty straightforward actually.  if you had to be addicted to something, might as well be marijuana.