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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    ...its gotta be Adderall, right?

    *sniff*
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,520
    what's the ruckus?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    The gifs will be hilarious.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    Weak
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,828
    Was it as bad as expected? 
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,836
    he's such a horrible public speaker. 
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,836
    people thought obama was boring. trump is a fucking dial tone when he's reading the teleprompter. 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    oftenreading said:
    Was it as bad as expected? 
    He didn't resign, so yes
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,126
    oftenreading said:
    Was it as bad as expected? 
    All bad. Trump bad. Pelosi might have been worse. Chuck was awful as well
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,126
    Trump is an idiot with ass backwards ideas but it makes me sick to see dem leaders that had all the power at one point and DID NOTHING for immigration reform try and pretend to have answers now.

    no one wants to solve the issue, just get votes. Fuck them all

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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    edited January 2019
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    The Juggler said:
    Remember the debate a while back comparing Trump to other authoritarian dictators like Hitler and Stalin? 

    Making up a national emergency and holding an Oval Office address to the entire country is another dangerous  step in that direction. 

    I hope to god the big networks will fact check him live in the lower third and provide a detailed, honest discussion about the facts after he’s done talking.

    It’s been scary. Now it is ratcheting up multiple notches...
    Agreed.

    I was thinking about this today. I was wondering what neighbouring countries thought of Germany in its initial phases of fascism.

    I know much of Europe and much of Germany initially thought Hitler and his cronies were a bit of a joke. 

    It it is incumbent upon current and future generations to understand how such events came to be. And, of course, it is paramount that people do everything they can so that history doesn’t repeat itself.

    This is why gumbies that tell everyone to ‘relax’ and insist McDonald is ‘harmless’ while they support him kinda tick me off. It means one of two things: either (1) they are really stupid... or (2) they are callous and on board with the insanity.

    Either of the two scenarios present people who just aren’t very great in my books.
    You folks realize this thread has become the proverbial echo chamber that liberals love b/c of your crazy presumptions, idiotic links and refusal to actually listen to anyone that doesn't agree with you?

    First - on Hitler comparisons - first - at "worst" you have to live with Trump as President for another 6 years. If he ever tries to do what Bloomberg did in NYC with term limits, then you can worry.  The Cult of Obama was/is no less in numbers than the Cult of Trump.

    Second - on the relax - we survived Carter's Presidential incompetence that really almost sunk the country both financially and internationally, you'll be ok.  It's not meant to say that some (much?) of what Trump does sounds and is ridiculous. The point is - pay attention to what is ACTUALLY happening and not what you IMAGINE happening.  For example:

    1) Do you agree or disagree with Prison Reform?
    2)  Do you agree or disagree with a reduced military presence in the Middle East?
    3)  Do you agree or disagree with MORE people then ever having jobs, average salaries increasing and an increase workforce participation rate?

    Trump's rhetoric is no different than Obama's other than he says it in a less politically correct way. I don't mean no different in that you don't agree with one and disagree with another.  

    Honestly, if Pelosi was smart, she'd give Trump a way out of the corner he's boxed himself into.  She's playing as much politics as he is. The difference is she says it with language that is more palatable and easier to understand to many.  But, that's paying attention to style over substance.  Substantively, they are putting their lines in the sand while posing that there's no middle ground. Now, what we need is grown ups on both sides to negotiate and come up with a compromise on illegal immigration. We've lost the common thread - I would think we all agree ILLEGAL immigration must stop. We don't agree with Trump's definition of that. It's a negotiating posture. Maybe, a poor one, but that's all it is. No different than Pelosi's - no wall stance.   I actually agree with Pelosi - a wall is silly. But, I don't reject the SUBSTANCE of what Trump is getting at- we must come up with a firm new policy on ILLEGAL immigration. The fact the left wants to wrap that in emotional stories is no less manipulative than what Trump is doing.  Funny thing is - compromise is something that Obama failed at and why many of his policies failed to get implemented. He wanted a rubber stamp from Congress (different METHOD, but same MADNESS as Trump), and they wouldn't give it to him - which is good for both Presidents - thus checks alive and well.   All or nothing on either side is not what this country is. We are moderates.  Compromise is critical.  And the Pendulum swings (so another on the relax- a Dem will be President again).

    So, again - ignore the noise - debate the issue. So, one final agree/disagree -

    4)  Do you agree or disagree that we need to have a firm, effective policy on illegal immigration? 

    Now, Pelosi - what's your idea? Not allowed to punt it (As you are trying to do which is the politics as usual that got Trump (and Ocasio-Cortez) elected). You must answer with a clear, concise policy alternative to the wall.  C'mon - I know nobody's made you do this in years. Not comfortable?  Too bad.  Answer the question. What is your policy idea on illegal immigration reform?   Doesn't it bother you that her response does not include a sound policy alternative?

    End.  Start blasting away with incorrect assumptions and ignore the actual substance of my soliloquy.
    Did Trump have a good day today...or was his campaign manager's collusion with Russia just noise too?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    dignin said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    The Juggler said:
    Remember the debate a while back comparing Trump to other authoritarian dictators like Hitler and Stalin? 

    Making up a national emergency and holding an Oval Office address to the entire country is another dangerous  step in that direction. 

    I hope to god the big networks will fact check him live in the lower third and provide a detailed, honest discussion about the facts after he’s done talking.

    It’s been scary. Now it is ratcheting up multiple notches...
    Agreed.

    I was thinking about this today. I was wondering what neighbouring countries thought of Germany in its initial phases of fascism.

    I know much of Europe and much of Germany initially thought Hitler and his cronies were a bit of a joke. 

    It it is incumbent upon current and future generations to understand how such events came to be. And, of course, it is paramount that people do everything they can so that history doesn’t repeat itself.

    This is why gumbies that tell everyone to ‘relax’ and insist McDonald is ‘harmless’ while they support him kinda tick me off. It means one of two things: either (1) they are really stupid... or (2) they are callous and on board with the insanity.

    Either of the two scenarios present people who just aren’t very great in my books.
    You folks realize this thread has become the proverbial echo chamber that liberals love b/c of your crazy presumptions, idiotic links and refusal to actually listen to anyone that doesn't agree with you?

    First - on Hitler comparisons - first - at "worst" you have to live with Trump as President for another 6 years. If he ever tries to do what Bloomberg did in NYC with term limits, then you can worry.  The Cult of Obama was/is no less in numbers than the Cult of Trump.

    Second - on the relax - we survived Carter's Presidential incompetence that really almost sunk the country both financially and internationally, you'll be ok.  It's not meant to say that some (much?) of what Trump does sounds and is ridiculous. The point is - pay attention to what is ACTUALLY happening and not what you IMAGINE happening.  For example:

    1) Do you agree or disagree with Prison Reform?
    2)  Do you agree or disagree with a reduced military presence in the Middle East?
    3)  Do you agree or disagree with MORE people then ever having jobs, average salaries increasing and an increase workforce participation rate?

    Trump's rhetoric is no different than Obama's other than he says it in a less politically correct way. I don't mean no different in that you don't agree with one and disagree with another.  

    Honestly, if Pelosi was smart, she'd give Trump a way out of the corner he's boxed himself into.  She's playing as much politics as he is. The difference is she says it with language that is more palatable and easier to understand to many.  But, that's paying attention to style over substance.  Substantively, they are putting their lines in the sand while posing that there's no middle ground. Now, what we need is grown ups on both sides to negotiate and come up with a compromise on illegal immigration. We've lost the common thread - I would think we all agree ILLEGAL immigration must stop. We don't agree with Trump's definition of that. It's a negotiating posture. Maybe, a poor one, but that's all it is. No different than Pelosi's - no wall stance.   I actually agree with Pelosi - a wall is silly. But, I don't reject the SUBSTANCE of what Trump is getting at- we must come up with a firm new policy on ILLEGAL immigration. The fact the left wants to wrap that in emotional stories is no less manipulative than what Trump is doing.  Funny thing is - compromise is something that Obama failed at and why many of his policies failed to get implemented. He wanted a rubber stamp from Congress (different METHOD, but same MADNESS as Trump), and they wouldn't give it to him - which is good for both Presidents - thus checks alive and well.   All or nothing on either side is not what this country is. We are moderates.  Compromise is critical.  And the Pendulum swings (so another on the relax- a Dem will be President again).

    So, again - ignore the noise - debate the issue. So, one final agree/disagree -

    4)  Do you agree or disagree that we need to have a firm, effective policy on illegal immigration? 

    Now, Pelosi - what's your idea? Not allowed to punt it (As you are trying to do which is the politics as usual that got Trump (and Ocasio-Cortez) elected). You must answer with a clear, concise policy alternative to the wall.  C'mon - I know nobody's made you do this in years. Not comfortable?  Too bad.  Answer the question. What is your policy idea on illegal immigration reform?   Doesn't it bother you that her response does not include a sound policy alternative?

    End.  Start blasting away with incorrect assumptions and ignore the actual substance of my soliloquy.
    Did Trump have a good day today...or was his campaign manager's collusion with Russia just noise too?
    But did you see the substance of those jobs numbers? Whoa nelly!
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
    Idiot in chief is a disgrace , how many kids were killed in parkland? Where was his outrage back then ? I’d say mass shootings are national emergency 
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,126
    josevolution said:
    Idiot in chief is a disgrace , how many kids were killed in parkland? Where was his outrage back then ? I’d say mass shootings are national emergency 
    Yeah I kept thinking of that during his awful speech.

    and I can’t bekieve how awful Nancy and Chuck were. They made trump look better.
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    kce8kce8 Posts: 1,636
    "I have held the hands of the weeping mothers…" ???  :o:  

    U N B E L I E V A B L E 

    I should watch that speech again, must have misunderstood something.
     … disgusting!
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,312
    kce8 said:
    "I have held the hands of the weeping mothers…" ???  :o:  

    U N B E L I E V A B L E 

    I should watch that speech again, must have misunderstood something.
     … disgusting!
    Yep and I bet any amount he didn’t do any such thing at all , specially with the parents of the Parkland victims...
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,655
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    Idiot in chief is a disgrace , how many kids were killed in parkland? Where was his outrage back then ? I’d say mass shootings are national emergency 
    Yeah I kept thinking of that during his awful speech.

    and I can’t bekieve how awful Nancy and Chuck were. They made trump look better.
    At least chuck and Nancy understand what it takes and how it works to get legislation passed and that Team Trump Treason’s Mexican paid for Wall is a complete boondoggle. All Team Trump Treason did was expose his utter ignorance of all things policy. His own administration even issued a report denying there was a crisis. “Fucking moron” is right.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,829
    kce8 said:
    "I have held the hands of the weeping mothers…" ???  :o:  

    U N B E L I E V A B L E 

    I should watch that speech again, must have misunderstood something.
     … disgusting!
    If he did that without trying to score, that’s actually pretty good personal growth.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    Idiot in chief is a disgrace , how many kids were killed in parkland? Where was his outrage back then ? I’d say mass shootings are national emergency 
    Yeah I kept thinking of that during his awful speech.

    and I can’t bekieve how awful Nancy and Chuck were. They made trump look better.
    Yeah, they lied just as much as Trump. So awful.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    Idiot in chief is a disgrace , how many kids were killed in parkland? Where was his outrage back then ? I’d say mass shootings are national emergency 
    Yeah I kept thinking of that during his awful speech.

    and I can’t bekieve how awful Nancy and Chuck were. They made trump look better.
    Really?  Were they taking children and keeping them in cages?  bc tRUmp did that
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    It's quacking like collusion, aka conspiracy, out there. lol


    Filing: Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian

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    The allegation is the first time prosecutors have accused Trump’s chief campaign aide of sharing information related to the election with his Russian contacts.


    And would anyone like to guess what that internal polling data revealed? And would anyone else like to guess which states might have been involved? Anyone heard about Cambridge Analytica lately? Anyone want to argue the impact of social media campaigns? 66,000 votes in three key electoral states. NRA, RNC, individual repub members of Congress. 6 month Team Mueller grand jury extension. Bigger than Watergate.


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    Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    OnWis97 said:
    kce8 said:
    "I have held the hands of the weeping mothers…" ???  :o:  

    U N B E L I E V A B L E 

    I should watch that speech again, must have misunderstood something.
     … disgusting!
    If he did that without trying to score, that’s actually pretty good personal growth.

    lol
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    edited January 2019
    This is no social crisis...


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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    sssnnnnniffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,126
    CM189191 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    Idiot in chief is a disgrace , how many kids were killed in parkland? Where was his outrage back then ? I’d say mass shootings are national emergency 
    Yeah I kept thinking of that during his awful speech.

    and I can’t bekieve how awful Nancy and Chuck were. They made trump look better.
    Really?  Were they taking children and keeping them in cages?  bc tRUmp did that
    Huh? He did that on tv during his speech?

    you all really are so anti-trump you can’t see any other idiots can you?
    hippiemom = goodness
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,248
    dignin said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    Idiot in chief is a disgrace , how many kids were killed in parkland? Where was his outrage back then ? I’d say mass shootings are national emergency 
    Yeah I kept thinking of that during his awful speech.

    and I can’t bekieve how awful Nancy and Chuck were. They made trump look better.
    Yeah, they lied just as much as Trump. So awful.
    I didn't watch and can't tell if this is sarcasm or a real assessment of their rebuttal. Did they lie too?
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    The Juggler said:
    Remember the debate a while back comparing Trump to other authoritarian dictators like Hitler and Stalin? 

    Making up a national emergency and holding an Oval Office address to the entire country is another dangerous  step in that direction. 

    I hope to god the big networks will fact check him live in the lower third and provide a detailed, honest discussion about the facts after he’s done talking.

    It’s been scary. Now it is ratcheting up multiple notches...
    Agreed.

    I was thinking about this today. I was wondering what neighbouring countries thought of Germany in its initial phases of fascism.

    I know much of Europe and much of Germany initially thought Hitler and his cronies were a bit of a joke. 

    It it is incumbent upon current and future generations to understand how such events came to be. And, of course, it is paramount that people do everything they can so that history doesn’t repeat itself.

    This is why gumbies that tell everyone to ‘relax’ and insist McDonald is ‘harmless’ while they support him kinda tick me off. It means one of two things: either (1) they are really stupid... or (2) they are callous and on board with the insanity.

    Either of the two scenarios present people who just aren’t very great in my books.
    You folks realize this thread has become the proverbial echo chamber that liberals love b/c of your crazy presumptions, idiotic links and refusal to actually listen to anyone that doesn't agree with you?

    First - on Hitler comparisons - first - at "worst" you have to live with Trump as President for another 6 years. If he ever tries to do what Bloomberg did in NYC with term limits, then you can worry.  The Cult of Obama was/is no less in numbers than the Cult of Trump.

    Second - on the relax - we survived Carter's Presidential incompetence that really almost sunk the country both financially and internationally, you'll be ok.  It's not meant to say that some (much?) of what Trump does sounds and is ridiculous. The point is - pay attention to what is ACTUALLY happening and not what you IMAGINE happening.  For example:

    1) Do you agree or disagree with Prison Reform?
    2)  Do you agree or disagree with a reduced military presence in the Middle East?
    3)  Do you agree or disagree with MORE people then ever having jobs, average salaries increasing and an increase workforce participation rate?

    Trump's rhetoric is no different than Obama's other than he says it in a less politically correct way. I don't mean no different in that you don't agree with one and disagree with another.  

    Honestly, if Pelosi was smart, she'd give Trump a way out of the corner he's boxed himself into.  She's playing as much politics as he is. The difference is she says it with language that is more palatable and easier to understand to many.  But, that's paying attention to style over substance.  Substantively, they are putting their lines in the sand while posing that there's no middle ground. Now, what we need is grown ups on both sides to negotiate and come up with a compromise on illegal immigration. We've lost the common thread - I would think we all agree ILLEGAL immigration must stop. We don't agree with Trump's definition of that. It's a negotiating posture. Maybe, a poor one, but that's all it is. No different than Pelosi's - no wall stance.   I actually agree with Pelosi - a wall is silly. But, I don't reject the SUBSTANCE of what Trump is getting at- we must come up with a firm new policy on ILLEGAL immigration. The fact the left wants to wrap that in emotional stories is no less manipulative than what Trump is doing.  Funny thing is - compromise is something that Obama failed at and why many of his policies failed to get implemented. He wanted a rubber stamp from Congress (different METHOD, but same MADNESS as Trump), and they wouldn't give it to him - which is good for both Presidents - thus checks alive and well.   All or nothing on either side is not what this country is. We are moderates.  Compromise is critical.  And the Pendulum swings (so another on the relax- a Dem will be President again).

    So, again - ignore the noise - debate the issue. So, one final agree/disagree -

    4)  Do you agree or disagree that we need to have a firm, effective policy on illegal immigration? 

    Now, Pelosi - what's your idea? Not allowed to punt it (As you are trying to do which is the politics as usual that got Trump (and Ocasio-Cortez) elected). You must answer with a clear, concise policy alternative to the wall.  C'mon - I know nobody's made you do this in years. Not comfortable?  Too bad.  Answer the question. What is your policy idea on illegal immigration reform?   Doesn't it bother you that her response does not include a sound policy alternative?

    End.  Start blasting away with incorrect assumptions and ignore the actual substance of my soliloquy.
    3 words.  Rapists, Murderers, and

    wait for it....

    beheadings.

    Fear is no way to govern.  It's lazy.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    ...not AR-15'ed up white guys shooting up churches and schools.

    Nice Stephen Miller speech.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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