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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    It's on tonight at 9pmET
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    edited January 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    I will not be watching it, it pisses me off that he is fucking up my primetime tv viewing.  After the shows went into their Christmas break, I was looking for forward to my primetime tv shows returning...fuck this man.  Besides, I have only watched 1 primetime presidential bullshit speech in the last 30 years, and that was W after 911.
    I actually NEVER watch Trump on TV. I specifically avoid his stupid "press conferences" and the state of the union, etc etc etc. It's not usually out of spite (tonight will be, but also because of my usual reason). It's out of the fact that I just can't fucking tolerate him. He is SO irritating and off-putting and ridiculous and disgusting and stupid, that I just can't take it. Even if I try to watch that shit, I have to turn it off within a couple of minutes. It is much more tolerable to just find out what idiotic shit he spewed later than to actually experience the madness. I just can't stand to have him invade my mind that directly.
    Stick to your principles.  Watch Netflix.  I just can't stand the man...

    I'll be watching Netflix.  He will be saying nothing we haven't heard.
    I keep saying this......but this is different than a dumb rally, though. No reason to watch those.

    Could be a watershed moment for this country depending on how the networks treat it.....
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,605
    PJ_Soul said:
    I will not be watching it, it pisses me off that he is fucking up my primetime tv viewing.  After the shows went into their Christmas break, I was looking for forward to my primetime tv shows returning...fuck this man.  Besides, I have only watched 1 primetime presidential bullshit speech in the last 30 years, and that was W after 911.
    I actually NEVER watch Trump on TV. I specifically avoid his stupid "press conferences" and the state of the union, etc etc etc. It's not usually out of spite (tonight will be, but also because of my usual reason). It's out of the fact that I just can't fucking tolerate him. He is SO irritating and off-putting and ridiculous and disgusting and stupid, that I just can't take it. Even if I try to watch that shit, I have to turn it off within a couple of minutes. It is much more tolerable to just find out what idiotic shit he spewed later than to actually experience the madness. I just can't stand to have him invade my mind that directly.
    Stick to your principles.  Watch Netflix.  I just can't stand the man...

    I'll be watching Netflix.  He will be saying nothing we haven't heard.
    I keep saying this......but this is different than a dumb rally, though. No reason to watch those.

    Could be a watershed moment for this country depending on how the networks treat it.....
    Could be. And we'll all know what happens whether we watch it live or not.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,419
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I hope nobody is planning on tuning into this speech tonight. I hope everyone remembers that low ratings will be the strongest message he can actually understand. I hope Netflix has the highest viewership in their history tonight during this stupid speech, lol.
    I’ll probably watch it. Not sure though. I’d really rather here him speak than read it later.  Need to see just how delusional he is.  But I do understand your point about ratings.
    You can watch it online after the fact. ;) Don't give him or the networks the satisfaction!
    It wouldn't matter if it didn't even air on television.  He would still boast about how it was "the most watched Presidential address ever. Tremendous ratings, all the people are talking and agree with me."
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I will not be watching it, it pisses me off that he is fucking up my primetime tv viewing.  After the shows went into their Christmas break, I was looking for forward to my primetime tv shows returning...fuck this man.  Besides, I have only watched 1 primetime presidential bullshit speech in the last 30 years, and that was W after 911.
    I actually NEVER watch Trump on TV. I specifically avoid his stupid "press conferences" and the state of the union, etc etc etc. It's not usually out of spite (tonight will be, but also because of my usual reason). It's out of the fact that I just can't fucking tolerate him. He is SO irritating and off-putting and ridiculous and disgusting and stupid, that I just can't take it. Even if I try to watch that shit, I have to turn it off within a couple of minutes. It is much more tolerable to just find out what idiotic shit he spewed later than to actually experience the madness. I just can't stand to have him invade my mind that directly.
    Stick to your principles.  Watch Netflix.  I just can't stand the man...

    I'll be watching Netflix.  He will be saying nothing we haven't heard.
    I keep saying this......but this is different than a dumb rally, though. No reason to watch those.

    Could be a watershed moment for this country depending on how the networks treat it.....
    Could be. And we'll all know what happens whether we watch it live or not.
    I guess. I just don't think the ratings issue is a big deal for this one. It will be huge either way because it's on all the channels. More important things to worry about though. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Sadly it's only Tuesday
    All the news up here said it would be tonight, Tuesday...
    Sorry. It's been a long week. 
    I thought today was Thursday until a few hours ago.  That's very depressing
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    PJ_Soul said:
    I will not be watching it, it pisses me off that he is fucking up my primetime tv viewing.  After the shows went into their Christmas break, I was looking for forward to my primetime tv shows returning...fuck this man.  Besides, I have only watched 1 primetime presidential bullshit speech in the last 30 years, and that was W after 911.
    I actually NEVER watch Trump on TV. I specifically avoid his stupid "press conferences" and the state of the union, etc etc etc. It's not usually out of spite (tonight will be, but also because of my usual reason). It's out of the fact that I just can't fucking tolerate him. He is SO irritating and off-putting and ridiculous and disgusting and stupid, that I just can't take it. Even if I try to watch that shit, I have to turn it off within a couple of minutes. It is much more tolerable to just find out what idiotic shit he spewed later than to actually experience the madness. I just can't stand to have him invade my mind that directly.
    I actually have a sad over this.

    Since college, I've made it a ritual to listen to the State of the Union.  Feel like it's my duty as a citizen.  Usually I make a nice meal, grab a six-pack and have a night of it.

    I can not listen to 5 minutes of tRUmp's voice without feeling nauseous.  Everything about it is repugnant.  From this shiatty accent to the verbal diarrhea he spews.  

    I will still read the SOTU hungover the next morning, but it's not the same.  Everything tRUmp touches dies.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,605
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I will not be watching it, it pisses me off that he is fucking up my primetime tv viewing.  After the shows went into their Christmas break, I was looking for forward to my primetime tv shows returning...fuck this man.  Besides, I have only watched 1 primetime presidential bullshit speech in the last 30 years, and that was W after 911.
    I actually NEVER watch Trump on TV. I specifically avoid his stupid "press conferences" and the state of the union, etc etc etc. It's not usually out of spite (tonight will be, but also because of my usual reason). It's out of the fact that I just can't fucking tolerate him. He is SO irritating and off-putting and ridiculous and disgusting and stupid, that I just can't take it. Even if I try to watch that shit, I have to turn it off within a couple of minutes. It is much more tolerable to just find out what idiotic shit he spewed later than to actually experience the madness. I just can't stand to have him invade my mind that directly.
    Stick to your principles.  Watch Netflix.  I just can't stand the man...

    I'll be watching Netflix.  He will be saying nothing we haven't heard.
    I keep saying this......but this is different than a dumb rally, though. No reason to watch those.

    Could be a watershed moment for this country depending on how the networks treat it.....
    Could be. And we'll all know what happens whether we watch it live or not.
    I guess. I just don't think the ratings issue is a big deal for this one. It will be huge either way because it's on all the channels. More important things to worry about though. 
    I think every little bit counts, always. ;)
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    edited January 2019
    It's quacking like collusion, aka conspiracy, out there. lol


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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,836
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I will not be watching it, it pisses me off that he is fucking up my primetime tv viewing.  After the shows went into their Christmas break, I was looking for forward to my primetime tv shows returning...fuck this man.  Besides, I have only watched 1 primetime presidential bullshit speech in the last 30 years, and that was W after 911.
    I actually NEVER watch Trump on TV. I specifically avoid his stupid "press conferences" and the state of the union, etc etc etc. It's not usually out of spite (tonight will be, but also because of my usual reason). It's out of the fact that I just can't fucking tolerate him. He is SO irritating and off-putting and ridiculous and disgusting and stupid, that I just can't take it. Even if I try to watch that shit, I have to turn it off within a couple of minutes. It is much more tolerable to just find out what idiotic shit he spewed later than to actually experience the madness. I just can't stand to have him invade my mind that directly.
    Stick to your principles.  Watch Netflix.  I just can't stand the man...

    I'll be watching Netflix.  He will be saying nothing we haven't heard.
    I keep saying this......but this is different than a dumb rally, though. No reason to watch those.

    Could be a watershed moment for this country depending on how the networks treat it.....
    Could be. And we'll all know what happens whether we watch it live or not.
    I guess. I just don't think the ratings issue is a big deal for this one. It will be huge either way because it's on all the channels. More important things to worry about though. 
    I think every little bit counts, always. ;)
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    Kat said:
    It's quacking like collusion, aka conspiracy, out there. lol


    Filing: Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian

    https://apnews.com/608b9fcbca5941348e2ac8796e94c8cd

    The allegation is the first time prosecutors have accused Trump’s chief campaign aide of sharing information related to the election with his Russian contacts.


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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    edited January 2019
    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    It's quacking like collusion, aka conspiracy, out there. lol


    Filing: Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian

    https://apnews.com/608b9fcbca5941348e2ac8796e94c8cd

    The allegation is the first time prosecutors have accused Trump’s chief campaign aide of sharing information related to the election with his Russian contacts.


    This story should preempt tRUmp's speech on every major network.

    it won't, but it should.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,836
    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    It's quacking like collusion, aka conspiracy, out there. lol


    Filing: Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian

    https://apnews.com/608b9fcbca5941348e2ac8796e94c8cd

    The allegation is the first time prosecutors have accused Trump’s chief campaign aide of sharing information related to the election with his Russian contacts.


    LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!  LOCK HIM UP!

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    They also discussed Ukrainian policy.  This is the very definition of collusion. 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793


    this is what tRUmp is trying to distract everyone from with his wall speech today

    I hope he goes off the rails on live TV and Mulvaney has to step in and cut him off
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    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    It's quacking like collusion, aka conspiracy, out there. lol


    Filing: Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian

    https://apnews.com/608b9fcbca5941348e2ac8796e94c8cd

    The allegation is the first time prosecutors have accused Trump’s chief campaign aide of sharing information related to the election with his Russian contacts.


    And would anyone like to guess what that internal polling data revealed? And would anyone else like to guess which states might have been involved? Anyone heard about Cambridge Analytica lately? Anyone want to argue the impact of social media campaigns? 66,000 votes in three key electoral states. NRA, RNC, individual repub members of Congress. 6 month Team Mueller grand jury extension. Bigger than Watergate.
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    "News outlets are actually worried about giving Trump a prime time spot as they are afraid that he will manipulate the people or blur the truth." As told by NPR today.

    I remember that when any president talked there was a complete rebuttal by another party after the president would speak so, how is this different unless that nothing but lies come flying out of Trumps mouth?


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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    It's quacking like collusion, aka conspiracy, out there. lol


    Filing: Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian

    https://apnews.com/608b9fcbca5941348e2ac8796e94c8cd

    The allegation is the first time prosecutors have accused Trump’s chief campaign aide of sharing information related to the election with his Russian contacts.


    And would anyone like to guess what that internal polling data revealed? And would anyone else like to guess which states might have been involved? Anyone heard about Cambridge Analytica lately? Anyone want to argue the impact of social media campaigns? 66,000 votes in three key electoral states. NRA, RNC, individual repub members of Congress. 6 month Team Mueller grand jury extension. Bigger than Watergate.
    That... would be something else. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    "News outlets are actually worried about giving Trump a prime time spot as they are afraid that he will manipulate the people or blur the truth." As told by NPR today.

    I remember that when any president talked there was a complete rebuttal by another party after the president would speak so, how is this different unless that nothing but lies come flying out of Trumps mouth?


    That's usually only for State of the Union addresses. 
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    vaggar99 said:
    Can’t wait. Will he flip?
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    vaggar99 said:
    Can’t wait. Will he flip?
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    njnancynjnancy Northern New Jersey Posts: 5,096
    "News outlets are actually worried about giving Trump a prime time spot as they are afraid that he will manipulate the people or blur the truth." As told by NPR today.

    I remember that when any president talked there was a complete rebuttal by another party after the president would speak so, how is this different unless that nothing but lies come flying out of Trumps mouth?


    That's usually only for State of the Union addresses. 
    Pelosi and Schumer will be giving a Democratic rebuttal (fact check) after Trump's address tonight. They asked the networks and it was deemed that the equal time 'clause' was warranted. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    njnancy said:
    "News outlets are actually worried about giving Trump a prime time spot as they are afraid that he will manipulate the people or blur the truth." As told by NPR today.

    I remember that when any president talked there was a complete rebuttal by another party after the president would speak so, how is this different unless that nothing but lies come flying out of Trumps mouth?


    That's usually only for State of the Union addresses. 
    Pelosi and Schumer will be giving a Democratic rebuttal (fact check) after Trump's address tonight. They asked the networks and it was deemed that the equal time 'clause' was warranted. 
    I know. He was asking if it's normal to have a rebuttal. Usually rebuttals are for SOTU's
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    njnancy said:
    "News outlets are actually worried about giving Trump a prime time spot as they are afraid that he will manipulate the people or blur the truth." As told by NPR today.

    I remember that when any president talked there was a complete rebuttal by another party after the president would speak so, how is this different unless that nothing but lies come flying out of Trumps mouth?


    That's usually only for State of the Union addresses. 
    Pelosi and Schumer will be giving a Democratic rebuttal (fact check) after Trump's address tonight. They asked the networks and it was deemed that the equal time 'clause' was warranted. 
    It would have been so great if Obama gave the rebuttal.  I feel like he has to break the tradition and get involved. 
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,605

    Gambling site takes big odds on how many times Trump will lie in his national address



    Gambling site takes big odds on how many times Trump will lie in his national address
    U.S. President Donald Trump speaks in the Rose Garden of the White House on January 4, 2019 in Washington, DC. (Alex Wong / Getty Images)

    High-rollers have an opportunity to put their money where the President’s mouth is Tuesday night.

    BookMaker, an offshore gambling house that claims 30 years in the business, is laying odds on how many times President Trump will lie when he addresses the nation at 9 p.m.

    Trump is expected to make his case about building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico. The Federal Government has been under a partial shutdown since Dec. 22 while the President and congress have stood firm on opposite sides of the wall funding debate.

    “We tend to post these odds for entertainment purposes, however, as a part of a larger trend in interest in political props that we have have been experiencing since the current administration has taken office, we are seeing unexpected volume on such a short term basis,” according to John Lester, who sets odds at the Costa Rica-based gambling site. “We have received over $100,000 in action on this wager in the first 12 hours alone.”

    Online gamblers can place up to $500 per bet on how many “false statements” Trump will make by logging onto BookMaker.Eu, where the over-under is 3.5. That means bettors who believe the President to be a man of integrity can win money by wagering the Trump makes fewer than three and a half statements that are demonstrably untrue. Skeptics who want a piece of the action — which represents an overwhelming majority of BookMaker’s clients so far — can claim a cash prize by betting the President makes more than that number of false claims.

    “The action tends to be predominantly one-sided with 90% of the action currently on ‘over 3.5’ false statements,” according to Lester. His company will use the Washington Post Fact Checker as the deciding vote on whether or not statements made by the President are true.

    The Post uses a rating or one to four Pinocchio images to gauge the degree of fallacies spoken by politicians. Last month, the paper introduced the “Bottomless Pinocchio” rating to indicate bits of false information that have been purposefully repeated by politicians who have been given enough information to know better. That modification was inspired by the President.

    Lester and his colleagues at BookMaker aren’t interested in gambling on Trump’s intentions.

    “We actually chose the phrase ‘false statement’ instead of ‘lie’ to avoid having to prove that the President is intentionally misleading the public,” he said.

    According to Lester, his company had gambled against Trump in the past and lost big.

    “We experienced 7-figure losses when Trump shocked the world and upset Hillary Clinton,” he claimed of the 2016 election.

    The President’s dubious relationship with facts isn’t the only thing BookMaker is taking action on. Those who bet that Trump will declare a state emergency on the national border before Jan. 22 will win $450 for every $1,000 they gamble. Lester is also taking bets on whether the Supreme Court’s 1973 ruling on Roe v. Wade will be overturned this year, which party will control the White House after the 2020 election and when the ongoing government shutdown will end.


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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,126
    njnancy said:
    "News outlets are actually worried about giving Trump a prime time spot as they are afraid that he will manipulate the people or blur the truth." As told by NPR today.

    I remember that when any president talked there was a complete rebuttal by another party after the president would speak so, how is this different unless that nothing but lies come flying out of Trumps mouth?


    That's usually only for State of the Union addresses. 
    Pelosi and Schumer will be giving a Democratic rebuttal (fact check) after Trump's address tonight. They asked the networks and it was deemed that the equal time 'clause' was warranted. 
    That seems like the right choice in this case. He’s addressing the nation on a political issue and making a case. Opponents should have the same opportunity.

    Though I’m not sure Nancy and chuck are the right choice.
    hippiemom = goodness
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    And the circus continues lol
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