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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    OnWis97 said:
    Lots of fantasy-driven posts here.  There is precisely one GOP senator that would ever upset Trump. If it passes, that means Trump would sign it.  Over-ride his veto?  That’s one check that no longer exists.
    The white house will fold on the demand. 

    I'm saying if it happened to play out where the president vetoed it, even without the over ride,  that means there's a faction of senators who are abandoning the president. 
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,967
    OnWis97 said:
    Lots of fantasy-driven posts here.  There is precisely one GOP senator that would ever upset Trump. If it passes, that means Trump would sign it.  Over-ride his veto?  That’s one check that no longer exists.
    Maybe but as his approval plunges the GOP will abandon him to save themselves.  Maybe....
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,765
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Lots of fantasy-driven posts here.  There is precisely one GOP senator that would ever upset Trump. If it passes, that means Trump would sign it.  Over-ride his veto?  That’s one check that no longer exists.
    Maybe but as his approval plunges the GOP will abandon him to save themselves.  Maybe....
    Hopefully...
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    PJNBPJNB Posts: 12,754
    edited July 2020
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Lots of fantasy-driven posts here.  There is precisely one GOP senator that would ever upset Trump. If it passes, that means Trump would sign it.  Over-ride his veto?  That’s one check that no longer exists.
    Maybe but as his approval plunges the GOP will abandon him to save themselves.  Maybe....
    I think this would normally be true but I also think that if the polls stay the same or get a bit worse a lot of people still think that he can pull it off like 2016. Yes it is different for sure since he is the incumbent but there is always that uncertainty and I bet it will be enough that most if any do not jump. 
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007

    Donald Trump has unified America – against him


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/19/donald-trump-presidential-election-joe-biden-coronavirus-pandemic
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    he crispy yo
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,539
    I don’t mind presidents playing golf.  I can’t imagine being essentially a prisoner at the end of the day in the Oval Office.  I would hate to see what Trump is like when he doesn’t get some fresh air and relaxation.  

    Although with Trump he probably has plenty of time to relax as he doesn’t do anything.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    bootlegger10 said:
    I don’t mind presidents playing golf.  I can’t imagine being essentially a prisoner at the end of the day in the Oval Office.  I would hate to see what Trump is like when he doesn’t get some fresh air and relaxation.  

    Although with Trump he probably has plenty of time to relax as he doesn’t do anything.
    He watches television until 10 or 11 in the morning.  That's crazy. 
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,520
    OnWis97 said:
    This is a pretty good description of the miserable SOB.

    https://londondaily.com/british-writer-pens-the-best-description-of-trump-i-ve-read?fbclid=IwAR03sgrEY2B8siKWNpvkHsrmsvl4LgyBUk2LBlzcSoW7ezMR7y_XlOcbHyM

    Nailed it.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    https://youtu.be/W6XdpDOH1JA

    Full interview.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,544
    bootlegger10 said:
    I don’t mind presidents playing golf.  I can’t imagine being essentially a prisoner at the end of the day in the Oval Office.  I would hate to see what Trump is like when he doesn’t get some fresh air and relaxation.  

    Although with Trump he probably has plenty of time to relax as he doesn’t do anything.
    The problem isnt presidents playing golf.
    It's that he complained about President Barack Obama playing golf and he has probably surpassed in 3.5 years what President Barack Obama did in 8.
    And bill's it to the American taxpayer.
    And he does all or most of it at his personal golf courses so that he can bill the American taxpayer for as much as possible.
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,539
    Bentleyspop said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I don’t mind presidents playing golf.  I can’t imagine being essentially a prisoner at the end of the day in the Oval Office.  I would hate to see what Trump is like when he doesn’t get some fresh air and relaxation.  

    Although with Trump he probably has plenty of time to relax as he doesn’t do anything.
    The problem isnt presidents playing golf.
    It's that he complained about President Barack Obama playing golf and he has probably surpassed in 3.5 years what President Barack Obama did in 8.
    And bill's it to the American taxpayer.
    And he does all or most of it at his personal golf courses so that he can bill the American taxpayer for as much as possible.
    Completely agree.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,781
    so. both the Sec of DHS AND his Deputy Sec are ACTING unconfirmed individuals.......
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    g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,122
    Smellyman said:
    OnWis97 said:
    This is a pretty good description of the miserable SOB.

    https://londondaily.com/british-writer-pens-the-best-description-of-trump-i-ve-read?fbclid=IwAR03sgrEY2B8siKWNpvkHsrmsvl4LgyBUk2LBlzcSoW7ezMR7y_XlOcbHyM

    Nailed it.
    Its interesting that many in England can understand what this President is like yet many Americans have no clue what this President is or just don't care. Get out and vote please, people are dying every day and it looks like it's going to get worse.

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    dignin said:
    https://youtu.be/W6XdpDOH1JA

    Full interview.
    i like how the make up stops at the edge of the face...the ear looks totally natural.

    Many of those responses were not dick-tatery at all.  God help us.
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    stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,359
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-federal-judges-husband-son-shot-at-home-fbi-says
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,967
    PJNB said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Lots of fantasy-driven posts here.  There is precisely one GOP senator that would ever upset Trump. If it passes, that means Trump would sign it.  Over-ride his veto?  That’s one check that no longer exists.
    Maybe but as his approval plunges the GOP will abandon him to save themselves.  Maybe....
    I think this would normally be true but I also think that if the polls stay the same or get a bit worse a lot of people still think that he can pull it off like 2016. Yes it is different for sure since he is the incumbent but there is always that uncertainty and I bet it will be enough that most if any do not jump. 
    I don't know...2016 was closer in the polling so tRump getting his victory was within reason.  Still surprising though.

    This time is different.  If tRump wins this time I will lose all hope for this stupid country.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    stuckinline said:
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-federal-judges-husband-son-shot-at-home-fbi-says
    Saw this last night.. messed up.  You have to think this was targeted in some way. 
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,824
    mrussel1 said:
    stuckinline said:
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-federal-judges-husband-son-shot-at-home-fbi-says
    Saw this last night.. messed up.  You have to think this was targeted in some way. 
    Antifa did it to make it look like some right wing conspiracy.  Use your imagination!
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    stuckinline said:
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-federal-judges-husband-son-shot-at-home-fbi-says
    Saw this last night.. messed up.  You have to think this was targeted in some way. 
    Antifa did it to make it look like some right wing conspiracy.  Use your imagination!
    Although I did read this morning that her husband was a criminal defense attorney, so he may have been the actual target. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    stuckinline said:
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-federal-judges-husband-son-shot-at-home-fbi-says
    Saw this last night.. messed up.  You have to think this was targeted in some way. 
    Antifa did it to make it look like some right wing conspiracy.  Use your imagination!
    Or Mexican drug cartels
    Or Real housewives in the mob she sentenced for tax evasion
    Or Deutch Bank civil suit she was assigned 4 days ago
    Or husbands criminal defense work
    Or she was ready to reveal the truth about PizzaGate and the Clintons

    One of those is not like the others (money laundering & tax returns).
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    Wouldn't want the electorate to be able to make an informed decision, now would we?

    The US Supreme Court declined to expedite paperwork to allow House Democrats to more quickly continue the process of seeking President Donald Trump's financial documents.

    Earlier this month the court blocked Congress from getting the President's records for now, sending the controversial cases back down to the lower court for further review.
    However, the Supreme Court's formal judgments are generally not issued for 25 days, meaning Democrats would not be able to go back to court until early August.
    The House asked the Supreme Court to issue the paperwork immediately. Monday, the court rejected the request. Justice Sonia Sotomayor indicated she would have agreed to the request.

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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,544
    Portland moms....


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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,279
    Yeah start doing the briefings again. That went well last time. 

    And he announces it by bragging about the television ratings. Can he be more dumb? How can any fully grown adult not learn anything from past behavior? 

    haha.....looking forward to that shit show resuming. Stay in the basement Joe! Trump is doing his best to get you elected buddy!
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    Bentleyspop said:
    Portland moms....


    Looks like ANTIFA, Inc. to me.  They recently applied for tax exempt status and Joe Biden promised that he would write and sign a law to provide them the same status as a church.  The leader of Antifa, Mohammed Anti-Jesus Rodriguez is slated to be Biden's Secy' of Education, if Biden wins.  This will all come to fruition if Trump doesn't win.  
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    edited July 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Portland moms....


    Looks like ANTIFA, Inc. to me.  They recently applied for tax exempt status and Joe Biden promised that he would write and sign a law to provide them the same status as a church.  The leader of Antifa, Mohammed Anti-Jesus Rodriguez is slated to be Biden's Secy' of Education, if Biden wins.  This will all come to fruition if Trump doesn't win.  
    Was this pre-COVID when Biden was pandering to everyone he could because he seemed like a long shot? Or did he say that recently while leading big-time in the polls? 

    Edit: Or are ya just kidding? Can’t tell if this is a parody of a right-wing comment, or something Biden would really do. 
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,967
    mrussel1 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Portland moms....


    Looks like ANTIFA, Inc. to me.  They recently applied for tax exempt status and Joe Biden promised that he would write and sign a law to provide them the same status as a church.  The leader of Antifa, Mohammed Anti-Jesus Rodriguez is slated to be Biden's Secy' of Education, if Biden wins.  This will all come to fruition if Trump doesn't win.  
    LOL...that's pretty much half of my facebook feed
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    VitalogensiaVitalogensia Posts: 1,924
    mrussel1 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Portland moms....


    Looks like ANTIFA, Inc. to me.  They recently applied for tax exempt status and Joe Biden promised that he would write and sign a law to provide them the same status as a church.  The leader of Antifa, Mohammed Anti-Jesus Rodriguez is slated to be Biden's Secy' of Education, if Biden wins.  This will all come to fruition if Trump doesn't win.  
    "Mohammed Anti-Jesus Rodriguez", damn that's funny.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,605
    mrussel1 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Portland moms....


    Looks like ANTIFA, Inc. to me.  They recently applied for tax exempt status and Joe Biden promised that he would write and sign a law to provide them the same status as a church.  The leader of Antifa, Mohammed Anti-Jesus Rodriguez is slated to be Biden's Secy' of Education, if Biden wins.  This will all come to fruition if Trump doesn't win.  
    And this guy too. Definitely ANTIFA.

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Portland moms....


    Looks like ANTIFA, Inc. to me.  They recently applied for tax exempt status and Joe Biden promised that he would write and sign a law to provide them the same status as a church.  The leader of Antifa, Mohammed Anti-Jesus Rodriguez is slated to be Biden's Secy' of Education, if Biden wins.  This will all come to fruition if Trump doesn't win.  
    Was this pre-COVID when Biden was pandering to everyone he could because he seemed like a long shot? Or did he say that recently while leading big-time in the polls? 

    Edit: Or are ya just kidding? Can’t tell if this is a parody of a right-wing comment, or something Biden would really do. 
    I'll take it as a compliment that this was remotely plausible. 
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