Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
Yes to Federal property, not state property
I find it odd that someone like you would be all for this, especially when these feds are in unmarked cars, have no identification on their clothes, are not reading people their rights and are not telling them where they're being taken.
Rioting and defacing public property is abhorrent behavior but it's a local state and city issue. The federal government has no business being there unless the governor requested their help, which he did not. In fact he is pleading with them to leave. If Obama did this, I believe you would be up in arms.
And from what I've read, the situation was dying down BEFORE they arrived. This nothing more than a political stunt. Can't hype up caravans this year since nobody wants to come here anymore. So boom--here is magical new red meat for people who would've voted for him anyway.
I have mentioned that I am against them using unmarked cars, etc. I am only supporting them guarding the Federal buildings. Again, ONLY the Federal property!
Okay. But that's clearly not all they're doing though.
Someone suggested this morning to imagine it was the other party acting in a certain way to really help one's thinking about it. So...if President Obama had done any of this, it would be ok? Not ok? Constitutional? Not Constitutional? Try that exercise and see what you think.
Yes, it would be okay for Obama to have used federal resources to guard federal buildings.
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Someone suggested this morning to imagine it was the other party acting in a certain way to really help one's thinking about it. So...if President Obama had done any of this, it would be ok? Not ok? Constitutional? Not Constitutional? Try that exercise and see what you think.
Yes, it would be okay for Obama to have used federal resources to guard federal buildings.
You're just ignoring what they're actually doing. haha
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And if they were only guarding buildings, I don't think I'd have any issue with what is happening...but that's not all that they are doing. It makes me sad to see my country in this state. :( Stay safe and stay strong...we're going to get through this but it won't be easy.
Falling down,...not staying down
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Hell, your governor freaked out over this 4 years ago
What's more concerning are the federal officers actually ok with doing the shit we've seen. It's insane. These people are clearly brainwashed in to believing what they are doing is some sort of law and order approach. Either all of the decent morally sound officers have quit or this is their Gestapo team. Volunteer based to go in and crack skulls. They love nothing more then initiating hostile confrontations because they believe they are patriots protecting our country. They should be identified and brought before a disciplinary board.
It's a hopeless situation...
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What's more concerning are the federal officers actually ok with doing the shit we've seen. It's insane. These people are clearly brainwashed in to believing what they are doing is some sort of law and order approach. Either all of the decent morally sound officers have quit or this is their Gestapo team. Volunteer based to go in and crack skulls. They love nothing more then initiating hostile confrontations because they believe they are patriots protecting our country. They should be identified and brought before a disciplinary board.
What's more concerning are the federal officers actually ok with doing the shit we've seen. It's insane. These people are clearly brainwashed in to believing what they are doing is some sort of law and order approach. Either all of the decent morally sound officers have quit or this is their Gestapo team. Volunteer based to go in and crack skulls. They love nothing more then initiating hostile confrontations because they believe they are patriots protecting our country. They should be identified and brought before a disciplinary board.
Team Trump Treason and his ilk have welcomed and dog whistled to the already known white supremacists within our military and police forces.
Now he is sending troops to Chicago and Albuquerque.
Albuquerque? What’s going on in Albuquerque?
Not coincidental he's choosing cities within states he knows he can't win the vote in.
Seattle, unless it’s already fallen and can’t be retaken, Portland, NYC, Minneapolis, Chicago and Peoria I can understand. But Albuquerque? Unless there’s been an appeal from the Proud Boys, Buggaloos Or Putin on the ritz?
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Friedman: Trump is starting a wag-the-dog war at home
President is adopting the same broad approach that Bashar Assad did back in 2011 to retain power in Syria
Donald Trump seems ready to wag the dog by starting a war at home. Be afraid — he just might get his wish. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN | July 22, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.
Some presidents, when they get into trouble before an election, try to “wag the dog” by starting a war abroad. Donald Trump seems ready to wag the dog by starting a war at home. Be afraid — he just might get his wish.
How did we get here? Well, when historians summarize the Trump team’s approach to dealing with the coronavirus, it will take only a few paragraphs:
“They talked as if they were locking down like China. They acted as if they were going for herd immunity like Sweden. They prepared for neither. And they claimed to be superior to both. In the end, they got the worst of all worlds — uncontrolled viral spread and an unemployment catastrophe.
“So, in a desperate effort to salvage his campaign, Trump turned to the Middle East Dictator’s Official Handbook and found just what he was looking for, the chapter titled, ‘What to Do When Your People Turn Against You?’
“Answer: Turn them against each other and then present yourself as the only source of law and order.”
Now he is sending troops to Chicago and Albuquerque.
Albuquerque? What’s going on in Albuquerque?
Not coincidental he's choosing cities within states he knows he can't win the vote in.
Seattle, unless it’s already fallen and can’t be retaken, Portland, NYC, Minneapolis, Chicago and Peoria I can understand. But Albuquerque? Unless there’s been an appeal from the Proud Boys, Buggaloos Or Putin on the ritz?
Well, there are a lot of brown people in Albuquerque. They may have been born here, and pre-dated the white man there, but still - brown.
These troops will apparently not be the same riot troops they sent into Portland. They'll be "Operation Legend" troops sent in to deal with more "traditional" violent crime rather than riots and protests.
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@PJPOWER --Trump is sending federal troops to Chicago and Albuquerque now. Govs and mayors are against it. He also suggested sending them to Chicago and Philly among other places. They will not be there to guard federal buildings.
Please express your outrage.
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Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
federal property. the interiors of which have federal protection and not local authority in a security role. So yes. even if the governor or mayor didnt ask. They just need to go no further than the sidewalks surrounding said federal property.
Now the governors need to call up their national guards to stand facing those fucks and protect their states citizens exercising their rights.
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Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
federal property. the interiors of which have federal protection and not local authority in a security role. So yes. even if the governor or mayor didnt ask. They just need to go no further than the sidewalks surrounding said federal property.
Now the governors need to call up their national guards to stand facing those fucks and protect their states citizens exercising their rights.
Donald Trump is the Joker. This mother fucker is trying to burn this country to the ground.
Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
federal property. the interiors of which have federal protection and not local authority in a security role. So yes. even if the governor or mayor didnt ask. They just need to go no further than the sidewalks surrounding said federal property.
Now the governors need to call up their national guards to stand facing those fucks and protect their states citizens exercising their rights.
Donald Trump is the Joker. This mother fucker is trying to burn this country to the ground.
Yep or just take over it’s evident there’s not a rational chromosome in his disgusting body!
@PJPOWER --Trump is sending federal troops to Chicago and Albuquerque now. Govs and mayors are against it. He also suggested sending them to Chicago and Philly among other places. They will not be there to guard federal buildings.
Please express your outrage.
Okay, I am outraged that the federal troops are doing anything beyond guarding the federal buildings. I am equally outraged that wannabe anarchist asshats are trying to destroy federal buildings under the guise of BLM.
Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
federal property. the interiors of which have federal protection and not local authority in a security role. So yes. even if the governor or mayor didnt ask. They just need to go no further than the sidewalks surrounding said federal property.
Now the governors need to call up their national guards to stand facing those fucks and protect their states citizens exercising their rights.
Exactly, I’m glad someone gets it!
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Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
federal property. the interiors of which have federal protection and not local authority in a security role. So yes. even if the governor or mayor didnt ask. They just need to go no further than the sidewalks surrounding said federal property.
Now the governors need to call up their national guards to stand facing those fucks and protect their states citizens exercising their rights.
Exactly, I’m glad someone gets it!
frankly I think the feds should have asked for state and local help to block access to these facilities
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Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
federal property. the interiors of which have federal protection and not local authority in a security role. So yes. even if the governor or mayor didnt ask. They just need to go no further than the sidewalks surrounding said federal property.
Now the governors need to call up their national guards to stand facing those fucks and protect their states citizens exercising their rights.
Exactly, I’m glad someone gets it!
frankly I think the feds should have asked for state and local help to block access to these facilities
I agree. Unfortunately, the states this is happening in do not have leadership willing to ask for federal support at this time as that would be seen as siding with Trump.
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Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
federal property. the interiors of which have federal protection and not local authority in a security role. So yes. even if the governor or mayor didnt ask. They just need to go no further than the sidewalks surrounding said federal property.
Now the governors need to call up their national guards to stand facing those fucks and protect their states citizens exercising their rights.
Exactly, I’m glad someone gets it!
frankly I think the feds should have asked for state and local help to block access to these facilities
I agree. Unfortunately, the states this is happening in do not have leadership willing to ask for federal support at this time as that would be seen as siding with Trump.
Your theory about states being reluctant to seek federal support for fear of being seen as supporting trump would be awesome if a ton of blue states hadn’t been asking for federal support in dealing with the pandemic.
Waiting for the jackboot goon squad to show up here in the Twin Cities. Should be any day now.
its amazing the level of concern King Turd and the Turdettes are expressing about violence in cities, especially when they haven’t had any concern about anything the last 3 1/2 years. Nothing more than laying the ground work to suppress and contest the upcoming elections.
Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
federal property. the interiors of which have federal protection and not local authority in a security role. So yes. even if the governor or mayor didnt ask. They just need to go no further than the sidewalks surrounding said federal property.
Now the governors need to call up their national guards to stand facing those fucks and protect their states citizens exercising their rights.
Exactly, I’m glad someone gets it!
frankly I think the feds should have asked for state and local help to block access to these facilities
I agree. Unfortunately, the states this is happening in do not have leadership willing to ask for federal support at this time as that would be seen as siding with Trump.
Your theory about states being reluctant to seek federal support for fear of being seen as supporting trump would be awesome if a ton of blue states hadn’t been asking for federal support in dealing with the pandemic.
That’s a great point! So either the state politicians don’t feel the need to protect federal buildings or they are afraid of protecting them on any level. Because they were definitely at risk of being burned down, there was plenty of evidence of that.
Funny that people claim they are not anarchists when they literally have the anarchy symbol on their banners... I do not support the federal officers going out patrolling the streets of Portland, but I do support them guarding the actual federal buildings with whatever force is needed to do so.
....even if the governor did not request their assistance? Doesn't that go against everything conservatives once stood for regarding states rights?
federal property. the interiors of which have federal protection and not local authority in a security role. So yes. even if the governor or mayor didnt ask. They just need to go no further than the sidewalks surrounding said federal property.
Now the governors need to call up their national guards to stand facing those fucks and protect their states citizens exercising their rights.
Exactly, I’m glad someone gets it!
frankly I think the feds should have asked for state and local help to block access to these facilities
I agree. Unfortunately, the states this is happening in do not have leadership willing to ask for federal support at this time as that would be seen as siding with Trump.
Your theory about states being reluctant to seek federal support for fear of being seen as supporting trump would be awesome if a ton of blue states hadn’t been asking for federal support in dealing with the pandemic.
That’s a great point! So either the state politicians don’t feel the need to protect federal buildings or they are afraid of protecting them on any level. Because they were definitely at risk of being burned down, there was plenty of evidence of that.
How many federal buildings have actually been burned down in Oregon?
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Donald Trump seems ready to wag the dog by starting a war at home. Be afraid — he just might get his wish. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
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These troops will apparently not be the same riot troops they sent into Portland. They'll be "Operation Legend" troops sent in to deal with more "traditional" violent crime rather than riots and protests.
Please express your outrage.
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its amazing the level of concern King Turd and the Turdettes are expressing about violence in cities, especially when they haven’t had any concern about anything the last 3 1/2 years. Nothing more than laying the ground work to suppress and contest the upcoming elections.