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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mickeyrat said:
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    static111 said:
    ikiT said:
    he infected erryone at that signing ceremony handing out pens

    .

    AND THIS

    'Unacceptable': Dems Fume After Trump Announces Plan to Refuse Congressional Oversight of Corporate Bailout Funds


    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/28/unacceptable-dems-fume-after-trump-announces-plan-refuse-congressional-oversight?cd-origin=rss
    @mrussel@mrussel1 This is what I was worried about.
    Signing statements are meaningless.  They hold no weight in court or congress.  They are essentially a weak ass line item veto, which is unconstitutional.  So he can say what he wants at this time, but we'll have to see how it plays out.  From what I've read, that would violate the terms of the law.  
    it would and does violate the law as written.

    however, does congress have the authority to give treasury funds for us but withhold or delay the business funds? Seperate groups of money or one big pot?
    Plus when has Donald ever been held accountable?
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    ikiT said:
    he infected erryone at that signing ceremony handing out pens

    .

    AND THIS

    'Unacceptable': Dems Fume After Trump Announces Plan to Refuse Congressional Oversight of Corporate Bailout Funds


    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/28/unacceptable-dems-fume-after-trump-announces-plan-refuse-congressional-oversight?cd-origin=rss
    @mrussel@mrussel1 This is what I was worried about.
    Signing statements are meaningless.  They hold no weight in court or congress.  They are essentially a weak ass line item veto, which is unconstitutional.  So he can say what he wants at this time, but we'll have to see how it plays out.  From what I've read, that would violate the terms of the law.  
    it would and does violate the law as written.

    however, does congress have the authority to give treasury funds for us but withhold or delay the business funds? Seperate groups of money or one big pot?
    Plus when has Donald ever been held accountable?
    First time for everything right?
    Scio me nihil scire

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,684
    Once the law is signed, the money should be appropriated unless there is some sort of release valve.  But in these times, that really wouldn't make sense.  And I don't think Trump could point to the situation and call it extraordinary since teh law was written with those controls during this time.  It seems like a power play and one that would create hearings or a law suit at the least. 
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    3500 lifetime lawsuits and 198 so far since being president without so much as a slap on the wrist....I’m not holding my breath that this is the one time he will be punished for over stepping.
    Scio me nihil scire

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,684
    static111 said:
    3500 lifetime lawsuits and 198 so far since being president without so much as a slap on the wrist....I’m not holding my breath that this is the one time he will be punished for over stepping.
    Well it would never punish him personally either way.  I read more about it and he’s pointing to the “take care” clause in the constitution.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,931
    static111 said:
    3500 lifetime lawsuits and 198 so far since being president without so much as a slap on the wrist....I’m not holding my breath that this is the one time he will be punished for over stepping.
    well some of the courts have slapped him down.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,672
    static111 said:
    3500 lifetime lawsuits and 198 so far since being president without so much as a slap on the wrist....I’m not holding my breath that this is the one time he will be punished for over stepping.
    Team Trump Treason University and the treasonous charity resulted in significant fines and acknowledgement of wrong doing. But when you’re bankrolled by Putin on the ritz, it’s a mere slap on the wrist. 
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    wiscojamwiscojam Appleton Posts: 319
    Been on the Porch for a few days now. gotta say, I can't believe the number of comment from people saying they don't agree with Ed's political lyrics on this new album, yada, yada, yada.  Never thought I'd see that in a PJ forum. Goes to show how these guys transcend. But if there are that many trumpers on a PJ forum, that makes me nervous for November.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,672
    wiscojam said:
    Been on the Porch for a few days now. gotta say, I can't believe the number of comment from people saying they don't agree with Ed's political lyrics on this new album, yada, yada, yada.  Never thought I'd see that in a PJ forum. Goes to show how these guys transcend. But if there are that many trumpers on a PJ forum, that makes me nervous for November.
    Good, maybe they’ll all stay home and we’ll have 6’ between us on the rail or an empty seat between us for or tyvek suit and merch?
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,931
    wiscojam said:
    Been on the Porch for a few days now. gotta say, I can't believe the number of comment from people saying they don't agree with Ed's political lyrics on this new album, yada, yada, yada.  Never thought I'd see that in a PJ forum. Goes to show how these guys transcend. But if there are that many trumpers on a PJ forum, that makes me nervous for November.
    well that place is just toxic and full of sycophants. talk about blind followers......
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,836
    mickeyrat said:
    wiscojam said:
    Been on the Porch for a few days now. gotta say, I can't believe the number of comment from people saying they don't agree with Ed's political lyrics on this new album, yada, yada, yada.  Never thought I'd see that in a PJ forum. Goes to show how these guys transcend. But if there are that many trumpers on a PJ forum, that makes me nervous for November.
    well that place is just toxic and full of sycophants. talk about blind followers......
    I’m not even joking, I’ve heard that said a lot about AMT. funny stuff. 
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    ikiT said:
    he infected erryone at that signing ceremony handing out pens

    .

    AND THIS

    'Unacceptable': Dems Fume After Trump Announces Plan to Refuse Congressional Oversight of Corporate Bailout Funds


    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/28/unacceptable-dems-fume-after-trump-announces-plan-refuse-congressional-oversight?cd-origin=rss
    @mrussel@mrussel1 This is what I was worried about.
    Signing statements are meaningless.  They hold no weight in court or congress.  They are essentially a weak ass line item veto, which is unconstitutional.  So he can say what he wants at this time, but we'll have to see how it plays out.  From what I've read, that would violate the terms of the law.  
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    edited March 2020
    wiscojam said:
    Been on the Porch for a few days now. gotta say, I can't believe the number of comment from people saying they don't agree with Ed's political lyrics on this new album, yada, yada, yada.  Never thought I'd see that in a PJ forum. Goes to show how these guys transcend. But if there are that many trumpers on a PJ forum, that makes me nervous for November.
    shut up and dribble...never understood it.

    all I know is Ed's been riding a wave right next to me since the days of wayback.  i don't know how he knows the shit he knows, but if he wants to talk, I'm listening.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtEpF01DNAM
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    wiscojamwiscojam Appleton Posts: 319
    ikiT said:
    wiscojam said:
    Been on the Porch for a few days now. gotta say, I can't believe the number of comment from people saying they don't agree with Ed's political lyrics on this new album, yada, yada, yada.  Never thought I'd see that in a PJ forum. Goes to show how these guys transcend. But if there are that many trumpers on a PJ forum, that makes me nervous for November.
    shut up and dribble...never understood it.

    all I know is Ed's been riding a wave right next to me since the days of wayback.  i don't know how he knows the shit he knows, but if he wants to talk, I'm listening.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtEpF01DNAM
    ikiT said:
    wiscojam said:
    Been on the Porch for a few days now. gotta say, I can't believe the number of comment from people saying they don't agree with Ed's political lyrics on this new album, yada, yada, yada.  Never thought I'd see that in a PJ forum. Goes to show how these guys transcend. But if there are that many trumpers on a PJ forum, that makes me nervous for November.
    shut up and dribble...never understood it.

    all I know is Ed's been riding a wave right next to me since the days of wayback.  i don't know how he knows the shit he knows, but if he wants to talk, I'm listening.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtEpF01DNAM
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,751
    He’s on twitter right now bragging about the ratings of his Coronavirus press conferences. Par-for-the-course insanity...but still. 
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,137
    Ratings of coronavirus????? Seriously????


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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,836
    Hi! said:

    I mean? Should we pay for their security? 
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    Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    nicknyr15 said:
    Hi! said:

    I mean? Should we pay for their security? 
    The buck stops with him, lol.

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,684
    edited March 2020
    nicknyr15 said:
    Hi! said:

    I mean? Should we pay for their security? 
    I mean? Who said we should? Isn't this something for the state department and the UK ambassador to work out?  
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,836
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Hi! said:

    I mean? Should we pay for their security? 
    I mean? Who said we should? Isn't this something for the state department and the UK ambassador to work out?  
    Gotcha. That makes sense. In other words, what’s the point of even mentioning this? I agree with that for sure. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,672
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Hi! said:

    I mean? Should we pay for their security? 
    I mean? Who said we should? Isn't this something for the state department and the UK ambassador to work out?  
    Is this the most pressing issue Team Trump Treason should be opining about via twitter? Nothing else going on, I guess.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Hi! said:

    I mean? Should we pay for their security? 
    I mean? Who said we should? Isn't this something for the state department and the UK ambassador to work out?  
    I don't think so.... Aren't they probably citizens now?  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,684
    nicknyr15 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Hi! said:

    I mean? Should we pay for their security? 
    I mean? Who said we should? Isn't this something for the state department and the UK ambassador to work out?  
    Gotcha. That makes sense. In other words, what’s the point of even mentioning this? I agree with that for sure. 
    Yes exactly.  Whatever the protocol is between our countries,  I'm not losing sleep either way.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,684
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Hi! said:

    I mean? Should we pay for their security? 
    I mean? Who said we should? Isn't this something for the state department and the UK ambassador to work out?  
    Is this the most pressing issue Team Trump Treason should be opining about via twitter? Nothing else going on, I guess.
    Well he already told us about his ratings,  so we're digging deep
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,684
    He did officially announce the Easter pay per view special when he takes on God, in a Resurrection battle, so we have that to look forward to..

    https://youtu.be/sbPQCJtnT6o


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    myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855


    86-45-2020!  BAHAHA
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,931
    myoung321 said:


    86-45-2020!  BAHAHA
    well shit, now I'm gonna have to look at all sides.....
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,684
    That's clever
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    myoung321 said:


    86-45-2020!  BAHAHA
    That's great! Ha!
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