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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    Depends where you sit. I think a lot of Americans believe it's been a failure, while others would say no.

    And just because something has been around a long time doesn't mean it's great.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,304
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Some valid arguments made here regarding the constitution and it’s continued validity or not.

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/10/constitution-in-crisis/
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,698
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,373
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Agreed left unchecked this could be the beginning of the end of Democracy as we know it ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Besides, all new democracies base their Constitution of the Canadian version anyways
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,096
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.
    It hasn't failed.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,096
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    Depends where you sit. I think a lot of Americans believe it's been a failure, while others would say no.

    And just because something has been around a long time doesn't mean it's great.
    There's something in between failure and great. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,096
    edited December 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Some might consider secession a test. And Nullification crisis. And US v Nixon.  
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,698
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Besides, all new democracies base their Constitution of the Canadian version anyways
    ?
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  • Yea, but you couldn’t possibly influence the outcome of an election. This country is so fucked.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/tech/facebook-white-vans/index.html
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Besides, all new democracies base their Constitution of the Canadian version anyways
    ?
    Just saying - longest running doesn't necessarily mean the best.  Our Constitution is essentially antiquated and retired but international standards.  Canada's Constitution is the new model.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    He took his ball and went home early.

  • Smellyman said:
    He took his ball and went home early.

    Cuz he’s not a playa, yo.
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I love how he left the NATO summit angry at Trudeau. Crybaby

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,863
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    I think the electoral college is a red flag, an indicator or warning sign of bad times to come, but what do I know...  

    You gotta remix that shit eventually.  Almost 29 million people live in TX.  3 million in NM.  the TWO Dakotas have 1.5m between them.
    Nobody else does it this way, and you know what it got us?  This asshole and W.  It should be abandoned immediately.
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    and the ERA should be ratified.  Tomorrow.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,096
    mickeyrat said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
    That's right.  At it's core, the system is dependent on the ethics and the integrity of the members of government.  It's only as strong as they are.  It's being stressed right now, for sure.  
  • mickeyrat said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
    It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the two 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,096
    mickeyrat said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
    It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the two 
    It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution.  They are completely intertwined and connected.  In this case, the whistleblower did their duty.  As did the staff that testified.  The Dems are doing their diligence as well.  Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly.  Mickey is dead on.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
    It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the two 
    It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution.  They are completely intertwined and connected.  In this case, the whistleblower did their duty.  As did the staff that testified.  The Dems are doing their diligence as well.  Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly.  Mickey is dead on.  
    No, no he’s not “dead on.”
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,096
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
    It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the two 
    It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution.  They are completely intertwined and connected.  In this case, the whistleblower did their duty.  As did the staff that testified.  The Dems are doing their diligence as well.  Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly.  Mickey is dead on.  
    No, no he’s not “dead on.”
    Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way.  That's helpful.  
    Sorry Mick, you're wrong.  
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,304
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.
    It hasn't failed.
    it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
    It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the two 
    It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution.  They are completely intertwined and connected.  In this case, the whistleblower did their duty.  As did the staff that testified.  The Dems are doing their diligence as well.  Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly.  Mickey is dead on.  
    No, no he’s not “dead on.”
    Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way.  That's helpful.  
    Sorry Mick, you're wrong.  
    Yea, because you (general you) always throw the baby out with the bath water.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,096
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
    It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the two 
    It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution.  They are completely intertwined and connected.  In this case, the whistleblower did their duty.  As did the staff that testified.  The Dems are doing their diligence as well.  Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly.  Mickey is dead on.  
    No, no he’s not “dead on.”
    Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way.  That's helpful.  
    Sorry Mick, you're wrong.  
    Yea, because you (general you) always throw the baby out with the bath water.
    I think that's how the saying goes.  So because the Republicans are failing in their duties, we should just scrap the Constitution?  
  • People have not a fucking clue. And all you have to do is go back to Election Day plus one. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,304
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
    It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the two 
    It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution.  They are completely intertwined and connected.  In this case, the whistleblower did their duty.  As did the staff that testified.  The Dems are doing their diligence as well.  Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly.  Mickey is dead on.  
    No, no he’s not “dead on.”
    Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way.  That's helpful.  
    Sorry Mick, you're wrong.  
    Yea, because you (general you) always throw the baby out with the bath water.
    I think that's how the saying goes.  So because the Republicans are failing in their duties, we should just scrap the Constitution?  
    yes. they want a monarchy where the president is protected at all costs, that is not anywhere in the constitution. if it is not working, it needs to be blown up and fixed. it is failing right in front of our eyes. the entire world can see it.
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