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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,300
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,520
    edited May 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,520
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Bingo. 
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Thoughts go out to Queen Elizabeth II, imagine having to sit down for dinner with Trump. 
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,824
    edited May 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    (Plugs ears)

    La la la la la la la America is #1 la la la.
    Post edited by OnWis97 on
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Thoughts go out to Queen Elizabeth II, imagine having to sit down for dinner with Trump. 
    Why?  Both of them have something in common...neither one has worked for shit.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Thoughts go out to Queen Elizabeth II, imagine having to sit down for dinner with Trump. 
    Why?  Both of them have something in common...neither one has worked for shit.  
    She'll be doing most of the listening as he will be tooting his own horn.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,020
    edited May 2019
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    This movie:


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    edited May 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    This movie:


    Lol, agree!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,020
    edited May 2019
    Just jumping in here quick to say that Sweden has never attacked an US marine base or killed thousands of civilians using nuclear bombs. We did however give you the word "ombudsman".
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    Just jumping in here quick to say that Sweden has never attacked an US marine base or killed thousands of civilians using nuclear bombs. We did however give you the word "ombudsman".
    Don't you have some Viking shit to apologize for?
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,020
    edited May 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Just jumping in here quick to say that Sweden has never attacked an US marine base or killed thousands of civilians using nuclear bombs. We did however give you the word "ombudsman".
    Don't you have some Viking shit to apologize for?
    I'm pretty sure the Vikings came in peace and were the ones who gave the world "ombudsman". 

    That's how Swedish schools teach it at least. Right after we pledging our allegiance to the ol' blue and yellow.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc
    The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

    My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  


    Give Peas A Chance…
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,020
    edited May 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc
    The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

    My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  


    I'm tired of war. I want my brothers home.
    - How about we just slaughter ~250.000 civilians?



    *brothers come home* 




    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,828
    Regardless of whether it achieved its military goal, the atomic bomb was still an atrocity to humanity and the planet. 
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc
    You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

    Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc
    The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

    My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  


    I think we're on the same page here.  My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine.  He would have definitely been part of the invasion force.  He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland.  He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    Regardless of whether it achieved its military goal, the atomic bomb was still an atrocity to humanity and the planet. 
    It was.  And it was as much for geopolitical purposes as to end the war.  
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    edited May 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc
    The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

    My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  


    I think we're on the same page here.  My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine.  He would have definitely been part of the invasion force.  He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland.  He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.  
    Yeah my grandfather had just fought the Nazis and was training for the invasion of Japan. No way he was coming home alive. 
    Was your grandfather wounded in those battles?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    edited May 2019
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc
    You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

    Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 
    Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
    I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,632
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc
    The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

    My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  


    I think we're on the same page here.  My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine.  He would have definitely been part of the invasion force.  He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland.  He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.  
    Yeah my grandfather had just fought the Nazis and was training for the invasion of Japan. No way he was coming home alive. 
    Was your grandfather wounded in those battles?
    My uncle, not grandfather.  My GF was a soldier in the Polish-Ukrainian war.  My uncle George was a marine.  Interestingly, he went missing (or lost I suppose) on an island and was declared dead to his family.  Then he was found and got right back into the action as it moved closer to Japan.  My other uncle was captured at the Battle of the Bulge and spent the rest of the war in a stalag.  
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

    If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do
    What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?
    If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...
    Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  
    The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...
    I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc
    The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

    My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  


    I think we're on the same page here.  My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine.  He would have definitely been part of the invasion force.  He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland.  He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.  
    Yeah my grandfather had just fought the Nazis and was training for the invasion of Japan. No way he was coming home alive. 
    Was your grandfather wounded in those battles?
    My uncle, not grandfather.  My GF was a soldier in the Polish-Ukrainian war.  My uncle George was a marine.  Interestingly, he went missing (or lost I suppose) on an island and was declared dead to his family.  Then he was found and got right back into the action as it moved closer to Japan.  My other uncle was captured at the Battle of the Bulge and spent the rest of the war in a stalag.  
    Wow that's crazy.  My grandfather was also at the Battle of the Bulge, who knows the two of them could have known one another.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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