Donald Trump

tbergs

josevolution said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/white-house-to-stop-issuing-public-summaries-of-foreign-leaders-calls-2018-07-24/
Everyday this administration does something to undermine transparency !

Everything this Admin does is to hide information because they know his base doesn't care about any of it or what really gappens. Only what he says at his rallys is truth.

ikiT

The Juggler

josevolution said:

Just wanna see his three supporters here defend this ..

Literally no way to defend it. Would be hilarious to see one of them try though.

Kat

I love it when a good and decent President inspires but this one inspires all kinds of negativity instead of raising us to positivity. 
Maybe the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce could just refund and revoke this star.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trumps-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-has-been-obliterated_us_5b587914e4b0fd5c73ca9f55

PJ_Soul

Thoughts_Arrive said:

vaggar99 said:

Good People Don’t Defend A Bad Man

January 12, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

At times in this life it can be a challenge to figure out who the bad people are, but sometimes they help you.

Sometimes they do the work for you.

Sometimes with their every vulgar, bitter word from their mouth, they testify to their personal malignancy and they make it easy to identify them.

Generally speaking, there are things that good people do and things good people don’t do.

Good people don’t refer to entire countries as “shitholes”—most notably countries that have given birth to our very humanity; ones that for hundreds of years have been colonized and poached and mined of their riches by powerful white men; countries whose people have been enslaved and sold and forced to come and build your country. 

Good people by any measurement we might use—simply don’t say such things.

Of course good people also don’t say they could grab women by the genitalia, either.
They don’t defend racists and nazis and call them “fine people,” days after murdering a young girl and terrorizing an American city.
They don’t brag about their penis size during debates, or suggest protestors at campaign rallies should be roughed up, or crack jokes about captured war heroes, or make fun of the physically disabled.
They don’t.

Good people don’t tweet anti-Muslim rhetoric in the moments immediately following a bombing in order to bolster a position.
They don’t leave American territories filled with brown skinned people without power for months upon months, after publicly ridiculing their public servants and questioning their people’s resolve.
They don’t pull children from the arms of their parents and place them in cages and detention centers.
They don’t erase protections for the water and the air, for the elderly, the terminally ill, the LGBTQ.
They don’t take away healthcare from the sick and the poor without an alternative.
They don’t gouge the working poor and shelter the wealthy.
They don’t abuse their unrivaled platform to Twitter-bait world leaders and to taunt private citizens.
Good people don’t prey upon the vulnerable, they don’t leverage their power to bully dissenters, and they don’t campaign for sexual predators.

But this President is not a good human being, and there’s simply no way around this truth.

He is the ugliest personification of the Ugly American, which is why, as long as he is here and as long as he represents this nation, we will be a fractured mess and a global embarrassment. He will be the ever lowering bar of our legacy in the world.

And what is painfully obvious in these moments, isn’t simply that the person alleging to lead this country is a terrible human being—it is that anyone left still defending him, applauding him, justifying him, amening him, probably is too.

At this point, the only reason left to support this President, is that he reflects your hateful heart; he shares your contempt of people of color, your hostility toward outsiders, your ignorant bigotry, your feeling of supremacy.

A white President calling countries filled with people of color shitholes, is so far beyond the pale, so beneath decency, and so blatantly racist that it shouldn’t merit conversation. It should be universally condemned. Humanity should be in agreement in abhorring it.

And yet today (like so many other seemingly rock bottom days in the past twelve months) they will be out there: white people claiming to be good people and Christian people, who will make excuses for him or debate his motives or diminish the damage. 

They will dig their heels in to explain away or to defend, what at the end of the day is simply a bad human being saying the things that bad human beings say because their hearts harbor very bad things.

No, good people don’t call countries filled with beautiful, creative, loving men and women shitholes or do most of the horrible things he does.

And good people don’t defend people who do.

You’re going to have to make a choice here.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/12/good-people-dont-defend-bad-man/

Made me sad and angry reading this.
How low have people stooped that they voted and continue to support this germ.
I personally have cut someone off from my life because of his support for Trump.

I have too. I had a friend - a Canadian non-white person no less - who lost his mind and basically became a Trump troll for some reason. I tried to deal with it for a while, but he just got worse and worse, started digging his heels in, and even started getting in arguments with stangers in bars about it and shit. I finally just had to cut him off. Blocked him on facebook, got rid of his contact info. He basically just made the decision to be "the asshole". I think he gets off on it. I don't need that kind of idiocy in my life.

Halifax2TheMax

PJ_Soul said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

vaggar99 said:

Good People Don’t Defend A Bad Man

January 12, 2018 / John Pavlovitz

At times in this life it can be a challenge to figure out who the bad people are, but sometimes they help you.

Sometimes they do the work for you.

Sometimes with their every vulgar, bitter word from their mouth, they testify to their personal malignancy and they make it easy to identify them.

Generally speaking, there are things that good people do and things good people don’t do.

Good people don’t refer to entire countries as “shitholes”—most notably countries that have given birth to our very humanity; ones that for hundreds of years have been colonized and poached and mined of their riches by powerful white men; countries whose people have been enslaved and sold and forced to come and build your country. 

Good people by any measurement we might use—simply don’t say such things.

Of course good people also don’t say they could grab women by the genitalia, either.
They don’t defend racists and nazis and call them “fine people,” days after murdering a young girl and terrorizing an American city.
They don’t brag about their penis size during debates, or suggest protestors at campaign rallies should be roughed up, or crack jokes about captured war heroes, or make fun of the physically disabled.
They don’t.

Good people don’t tweet anti-Muslim rhetoric in the moments immediately following a bombing in order to bolster a position.
They don’t leave American territories filled with brown skinned people without power for months upon months, after publicly ridiculing their public servants and questioning their people’s resolve.
They don’t pull children from the arms of their parents and place them in cages and detention centers.
They don’t erase protections for the water and the air, for the elderly, the terminally ill, the LGBTQ.
They don’t take away healthcare from the sick and the poor without an alternative.
They don’t gouge the working poor and shelter the wealthy.
They don’t abuse their unrivaled platform to Twitter-bait world leaders and to taunt private citizens.
Good people don’t prey upon the vulnerable, they don’t leverage their power to bully dissenters, and they don’t campaign for sexual predators.

But this President is not a good human being, and there’s simply no way around this truth.

He is the ugliest personification of the Ugly American, which is why, as long as he is here and as long as he represents this nation, we will be a fractured mess and a global embarrassment. He will be the ever lowering bar of our legacy in the world.

And what is painfully obvious in these moments, isn’t simply that the person alleging to lead this country is a terrible human being—it is that anyone left still defending him, applauding him, justifying him, amening him, probably is too.

At this point, the only reason left to support this President, is that he reflects your hateful heart; he shares your contempt of people of color, your hostility toward outsiders, your ignorant bigotry, your feeling of supremacy.

A white President calling countries filled with people of color shitholes, is so far beyond the pale, so beneath decency, and so blatantly racist that it shouldn’t merit conversation. It should be universally condemned. Humanity should be in agreement in abhorring it.

And yet today (like so many other seemingly rock bottom days in the past twelve months) they will be out there: white people claiming to be good people and Christian people, who will make excuses for him or debate his motives or diminish the damage. 

They will dig their heels in to explain away or to defend, what at the end of the day is simply a bad human being saying the things that bad human beings say because their hearts harbor very bad things.

No, good people don’t call countries filled with beautiful, creative, loving men and women shitholes or do most of the horrible things he does.

And good people don’t defend people who do.

You’re going to have to make a choice here.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/12/good-people-dont-defend-bad-man/

Made me sad and angry reading this.
How low have people stooped that they voted and continue to support this germ.
I personally have cut someone off from my life because of his support for Trump.

I have too. I had a friend - a Canadian non-white person no less - who lost his mind and basically became a Trump troll for some reason. I tried to deal with it for a while, but he just got worse and worse, started digging his heels in, and even started getting in arguments with stangers in bars about it and shit. I finally just had to cut him off. Blocked him on facebook, got rid of his contact info. He basically just made the decision to be "the asshole". I think he gets off on it. I don't need that kind of idiocy in my life.

Here's why.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/without-the-russians-trump-wouldnt-have-won/2018/07/24/f4c87894-8f6b-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html?utm_term=.ac4a9a20c528&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

mfc2006

The Juggler said:

josevolution said:

Just wanna see his three supporters here defend this ..

Literally no way to defend it. Would be hilarious to see one of them try though.

Yeah, not going to happen. They’ll jump back in with fake poll numbers in a day or 2.

PJ_Soul

Judge rejects Trump attempt to dismiss emoluments clause lawsuit

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/398803-judge-rejects-trump-attempt-to-dismiss-emoluments-clause-lawsuit

OnWis97

cincybearcat said:

I am having a hard time processing how many lies and double speak we are getting from Trump.  And it's disheartening to see some of the same people who wanted Bill Clinton out of office for his lying (I thought he should be removed, not solely for the lie though) 100% ok with Trump and his consistent lying.  It's insane.

I wish it was just that Trump is an outsider doing things differently and the left was being political.  But that's not the case.  He is a liar.  He is an Authoritarian.  He wants to run the country the way he ran his business.....he makes all decisions and no one can criticize him,  It is insane and sad to me to still see so many educated people willing to ignore so much.

I knew he was unqualified.  I knew this whole thing was a novelty to him.  I knew he'd be unpresidential on Twitter (though I may have underestimated the magnitude). I did not know, but I am not surprised, that he would spend so much time playing golf.

I was pretty sure he was going to win.  And I had hope that he would surround himself with competence. And I even had hope that he would be socially to the left.  Some of his views were unknown and/or mixed.  

As someone who had never paid much attention to him before he ran, I underesimated two things:

1. The degree to which he is so narcissistic. "Indifferent to the country he is supposed to serve" is not something I really thought going in.  Not until he started talking about crowd size.  But everything is about him and his ego.
2. The bold part.  This is the part that I think has the potential to ruin the country.  I did not comprehend that he'd basically want to be a dictator simply because he's been surrounded by yes-men his whole life.  Checks and balances were not a part of his life.  And even if I had seen that coming, I absolutely did not realize the degree to which his base and party would accept it.  No one person can become a dictator by themselves.  His followers, and therefore his party, are allowing this; they are so dug in on being "right" that they either don't realize, or do accept, the authoritarian path that we could go down.  

In my worst nightmares I thought we'd go into George W. Bush on Steroids mode; embarrassment, some bad decisions, even dumber public quites...actually Trump was probably the more anti-war* of the two candidates

*Not accounting for the idea that he may start a war just for a couple popularity points, which I now firmly believe he would be willing to do.

I knew it was bad.  And I'm a cynical guy, but this is far, far, worse than I imagined.  And, while it's early, at this point the smart money's on him winning a second term.  And the people in the red hats, jerseys, and foam fingers will celebrate.  I'll get some satisfaction to know that most of them will pay for it in the long run.

PJ_Soul

Yes, I knew he would be a disaster. I didn't think he'd actually win.... Then when he did win, I was really worried that it would be absolutely terrible.... but I never guessed it would be anywhere near as terrible as it has been. I think I put a bit too much stock into the ol' "checks and balances" line that people keep throwing out as an attempt to comfort people who were worried. But once all 3 levels of government and the SCOTUS are run by the same cuckoo bananas politicians who will apparently let pretty much ANYTHING fly without saying boo, those "checks and balances" are weakened to an extraordinary level. I would hope that after all this is over (if it is ever over), that America will take a very close look at some of the laws around what a President can and can't get away with, and make some common sense changes to prevent any Trump 2.0 from doing this again.

igotid88

igotid88

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

I am having a hard time processing how many lies and double speak we are getting from Trump.  And it's disheartening to see some of the same people who wanted Bill Clinton out of office for his lying (I thought he should be removed, not solely for the lie though) 100% ok with Trump and his consistent lying.  It's insane.

I wish it was just that Trump is an outsider doing things differently and the left was being political.  But that's not the case.  He is a liar.  He is an Authoritarian.  He wants to run the country the way he ran his business.....he makes all decisions and no one can criticize him,  It is insane and sad to me to still see so many educated people willing to ignore so much.

I knew he was unqualified.  I knew this whole thing was a novelty to him.  I knew he'd be unpresidential on Twitter (though I may have underestimated the magnitude). I did not know, but I am not surprised, that he would spend so much time playing golf.

I was pretty sure he was going to win.  And I had hope that he would surround himself with competence. And I even had hope that he would be socially to the left.  Some of his views were unknown and/or mixed.  

As someone who had never paid much attention to him before he ran, I underesimated two things:

1. The degree to which he is so narcissistic. "Indifferent to the country he is supposed to serve" is not something I really thought going in.  Not until he started talking about crowd size.  But everything is about him and his ego.
2. The bold part.  This is the part that I think has the potential to ruin the country.  I did not comprehend that he'd basically want to be a dictator simply because he's been surrounded by yes-men his whole life.  Checks and balances were not a part of his life.  And even if I had seen that coming, I absolutely did not realize the degree to which his base and party would accept it.  No one person can become a dictator by themselves.  His followers, and therefore his party, are allowing this; they are so dug in on being "right" that they either don't realize, or do accept, the authoritarian path that we could go down.  

In my worst nightmares I thought we'd go into George W. Bush on Steroids mode; embarrassment, some bad decisions, even dumber public quites...actually Trump was probably the more anti-war* of the two candidates

*Not accounting for the idea that he may start a war just for a couple popularity points, which I now firmly believe he would be willing to do.

I knew it was bad.  And I'm a cynical guy, but this is far, far, worse than I imagined.  And, while it's early, at this point the smart money's on him winning a second term.  And the people in the red hats, jerseys, and foam fingers will celebrate.  I'll get some satisfaction to know that most of them will pay for it in the long run.

So you thought "George W. Bush on steroids" was better than Hillary Clinton?

OnWis97

igotid88 said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

I am having a hard time processing how many lies and double speak we are getting from Trump.  And it's disheartening to see some of the same people who wanted Bill Clinton out of office for his lying (I thought he should be removed, not solely for the lie though) 100% ok with Trump and his consistent lying.  It's insane.

I wish it was just that Trump is an outsider doing things differently and the left was being political.  But that's not the case.  He is a liar.  He is an Authoritarian.  He wants to run the country the way he ran his business.....he makes all decisions and no one can criticize him,  It is insane and sad to me to still see so many educated people willing to ignore so much.

I knew he was unqualified.  I knew this whole thing was a novelty to him.  I knew he'd be unpresidential on Twitter (though I may have underestimated the magnitude). I did not know, but I am not surprised, that he would spend so much time playing golf.

I was pretty sure he was going to win.  And I had hope that he would surround himself with competence. And I even had hope that he would be socially to the left.  Some of his views were unknown and/or mixed.  

As someone who had never paid much attention to him before he ran, I underesimated two things:

1. The degree to which he is so narcissistic. "Indifferent to the country he is supposed to serve" is not something I really thought going in.  Not until he started talking about crowd size.  But everything is about him and his ego.
2. The bold part.  This is the part that I think has the potential to ruin the country.  I did not comprehend that he'd basically want to be a dictator simply because he's been surrounded by yes-men his whole life.  Checks and balances were not a part of his life.  And even if I had seen that coming, I absolutely did not realize the degree to which his base and party would accept it.  No one person can become a dictator by themselves.  His followers, and therefore his party, are allowing this; they are so dug in on being "right" that they either don't realize, or do accept, the authoritarian path that we could go down.  

In my worst nightmares I thought we'd go into George W. Bush on Steroids mode; embarrassment, some bad decisions, even dumber public quites...actually Trump was probably the more anti-war* of the two candidates

*Not accounting for the idea that he may start a war just for a couple popularity points, which I now firmly believe he would be willing to do.

I knew it was bad.  And I'm a cynical guy, but this is far, far, worse than I imagined.  And, while it's early, at this point the smart money's on him winning a second term.  And the people in the red hats, jerseys, and foam fingers will celebrate.  I'll get some satisfaction to know that most of them will pay for it in the long run.

So you thought "George W. Bush on steroids" was better than Hillary Clinton?

No.  I voted for Hillary.  Where did you get that?

igotid88

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ny-pol-soccer-ball-trump-putin-20180725-story.html

igotid88

OnWis97 said:

igotid88 said:

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

I am having a hard time processing how many lies and double speak we are getting from Trump.  And it's disheartening to see some of the same people who wanted Bill Clinton out of office for his lying (I thought he should be removed, not solely for the lie though) 100% ok with Trump and his consistent lying.  It's insane.

I wish it was just that Trump is an outsider doing things differently and the left was being political.  But that's not the case.  He is a liar.  He is an Authoritarian.  He wants to run the country the way he ran his business.....he makes all decisions and no one can criticize him,  It is insane and sad to me to still see so many educated people willing to ignore so much.

I knew he was unqualified.  I knew this whole thing was a novelty to him.  I knew he'd be unpresidential on Twitter (though I may have underestimated the magnitude). I did not know, but I am not surprised, that he would spend so much time playing golf.

I was pretty sure he was going to win.  And I had hope that he would surround himself with competence. And I even had hope that he would be socially to the left.  Some of his views were unknown and/or mixed.  

As someone who had never paid much attention to him before he ran, I underesimated two things:

1. The degree to which he is so narcissistic. "Indifferent to the country he is supposed to serve" is not something I really thought going in.  Not until he started talking about crowd size.  But everything is about him and his ego.
2. The bold part.  This is the part that I think has the potential to ruin the country.  I did not comprehend that he'd basically want to be a dictator simply because he's been surrounded by yes-men his whole life.  Checks and balances were not a part of his life.  And even if I had seen that coming, I absolutely did not realize the degree to which his base and party would accept it.  No one person can become a dictator by themselves.  His followers, and therefore his party, are allowing this; they are so dug in on being "right" that they either don't realize, or do accept, the authoritarian path that we could go down.  

In my worst nightmares I thought we'd go into George W. Bush on Steroids mode; embarrassment, some bad decisions, even dumber public quites...actually Trump was probably the more anti-war* of the two candidates

*Not accounting for the idea that he may start a war just for a couple popularity points, which I now firmly believe he would be willing to do.

I knew it was bad.  And I'm a cynical guy, but this is far, far, worse than I imagined.  And, while it's early, at this point the smart money's on him winning a second term.  And the people in the red hats, jerseys, and foam fingers will celebrate.  I'll get some satisfaction to know that most of them will pay for it in the long run.

So you thought "George W. Bush on steroids" was better than Hillary Clinton?

No.  I voted for Hillary.  Where did you get that?

it was on your reply. sometimes it's hard to tell who's quote is who's

Hi!

Kat

Hi! said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photos-show-chinese-factory-workers-making-trump-2020-flags_us_5b589259e4b0b15aba94476a

Halifax2TheMax

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

I am having a hard time processing how many lies and double speak we are getting from Trump.  And it's disheartening to see some of the same people who wanted Bill Clinton out of office for his lying (I thought he should be removed, not solely for the lie though) 100% ok with Trump and his consistent lying.  It's insane.

I wish it was just that Trump is an outsider doing things differently and the left was being political.  But that's not the case.  He is a liar.  He is an Authoritarian.  He wants to run the country the way he ran his business.....he makes all decisions and no one can criticize him,  It is insane and sad to me to still see so many educated people willing to ignore so much.

I knew he was unqualified.  I knew this whole thing was a novelty to him.  I knew he'd be unpresidential on Twitter (though I may have underestimated the magnitude). I did not know, but I am not surprised, that he would spend so much time playing golf.

I was pretty sure he was going to win.  And I had hope that he would surround himself with competence. And I even had hope that he would be socially to the left.  Some of his views were unknown and/or mixed.  

As someone who had never paid much attention to him before he ran, I underesimated two things:

1. The degree to which he is so narcissistic. "Indifferent to the country he is supposed to serve" is not something I really thought going in.  Not until he started talking about crowd size.  But everything is about him and his ego.
2. The bold part.  This is the part that I think has the potential to ruin the country.  I did not comprehend that he'd basically want to be a dictator simply because he's been surrounded by yes-men his whole life.  Checks and balances were not a part of his life.  And even if I had seen that coming, I absolutely did not realize the degree to which his base and party would accept it.  No one person can become a dictator by themselves.  His followers, and therefore his party, are allowing this; they are so dug in on being "right" that they either don't realize, or do accept, the authoritarian path that we could go down.  

In my worst nightmares I thought we'd go into George W. Bush on Steroids mode; embarrassment, some bad decisions, even dumber public quites...actually Trump was probably the more anti-war* of the two candidates

*Not accounting for the idea that he may start a war just for a couple popularity points, which I now firmly believe he would be willing to do.

I knew it was bad.  And I'm a cynical guy, but this is far, far, worse than I imagined.  And, while it's early, at this point the smart money's on him winning a second term.  And the people in the red hats, jerseys, and foam fingers will celebrate.  I'll get some satisfaction to know that most of them will pay for it in the long run.

They already are. They just don’t realize it yet and the real pain is the upcoming tax season and recession.

tempo_n_groove

Kat said:

Hi! said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photos-show-chinese-factory-workers-making-trump-2020-flags_us_5b589259e4b0b15aba94476a

If the Dems weren't such a horribly run political party they could use this but since they are not they will screw it up...

The Juggler

Kat said:

Hi! said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photos-show-chinese-factory-workers-making-trump-2020-flags_us_5b589259e4b0b15aba94476a

Fucking hypocrite.