Does everything get bumped up after one gets the boot? It'd be a pretty bizarre gesture if overnight the 1st Amendment changed from the right to free speech to the right to bear arms.
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You sure like to get choosy over which amendments are set in stone and which are in need of change.
What other amendments have I advocated for changing? And regardless, if I disagree with it, it should be amended via the constitutional process for amending the constitution. And last time I checked, voicing an opinion never killed anyone. Can’t say the same for some of the others.
People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?
I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack.
It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable. The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.
I'm well aware..... There's a fine line between upholding rights, and being an apologist for assholes, and the vibe i'm getting from some is the latter
There’s also a difference between being their apologist and defending their right to do what they did. I don’t really think I see anyone doing the former. I do however see some suggesting that it should be punishable.
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People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?
I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack.
It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable. The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.
If you’re an American celebrating the tower attacks on the day they occurred... then from my way of thinking... you’re an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.
Enemy of the people...that seems to be a common excuse for relaxing the first amendment.
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People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?
I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack.
It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable. The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.
If you’re an American celebrating the tower attacks on the day they occurred... then from my way of thinking... you’re an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.
Enemy of the people...that seems to be a common excuse for relaxing the first amendment.
I would hope that the bar for being defined as an "enemy of the people" would be placed higher than a nebulous "thinking bad thoughts" and would instead be at about the level of taking some sort of action to cause harm. Historically, it has been dicey to prosecute people simply for the thoughts they may have.
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You sure like to get choosy over which amendments are set in stone and which are in need of change.
And isn’t that the right of every American as well? Does flag burning offend you? How about a Klan rally on the state house steps in full regalia? How about the Westboro Baptist Church protesting funerals of service members? Gay pride parades? Million Man March? Pussy hats? Confederate flags flying on pick up trucks? Proud Boy rallies? Antifa counter protesting white supremacy? Guess we should have rounded up all the Muslims when we had the chance?
Free speech and spitting and dancing on the graves of innocent people killed in a massive terrorist attack are two different things in my mind.
If they aren’t in yours then no biggie. We can agree to disagree.
The one article that I read that mcgruff posted didn’t make mention of spitting and dancing on graves nor have I been choosy about which amendments need revision as I don’t believe I’ve ever posted an opinion on it. There’s disagreement and then there’s projection. Unless you have me confused with someone else?
Free speech and spitting and dancing on the graves of innocent people killed in a massive terrorist attack are two different things in my mind.
If they aren’t in yours then no biggie. We can agree to disagree.
The one article that I read that mcgruff posted didn’t make mention of spitting and dancing on graves nor have I been choosy about which amendments need revision as I don’t believe I’ve ever posted an opinion on it. There’s disagreement and then there’s projection. Unless you have me confused with someone else?
You’ve spoken at length about gun reform which is linked to the second amendment. If you are for restricting weaponry that has been afforded to citizens via the 2nd... then you’re talking about revisions.
If you’re celebrating a massive attack resulting in 1000s of deaths... you’re figuratively dancing and spitting on their graves.
Just as I’m sure the founding fathers were not intending to include machine guns as part of the second... I’m pretty sure they were not intending ‘free speech’ to include openly celebrating the deaths of 1000s of innocent people resulting from a calculated attack from a foreign enemy.
Free speech and spitting and dancing on the graves of innocent people killed in a massive terrorist attack are two different things in my mind.
If they aren’t in yours then no biggie. We can agree to disagree.
The one article that I read that mcgruff posted didn’t make mention of spitting and dancing on graves nor have I been choosy about which amendments need revision as I don’t believe I’ve ever posted an opinion on it. There’s disagreement and then there’s projection. Unless you have me confused with someone else?
You’ve spoken at length about gun reform which is linked to the second amendment. If you are for restricting weaponry that has been afforded to citizens via the 2nd... then you’re talking about revisions.
If you’re celebrating a massive attack resulting in 1000s of deaths... you’re figuratively dancing and spitting on their graves.
Just as I’m sure the founding fathers were not intending to include machine guns as part of the second... I’m pretty sure they were not intending ‘free speech’ to include openly celebrating the deaths of 1000s of innocent people resulting from a calculated attack from a foreign enemy.
How could they ever anticipate either happening?
True, I would like to see the second amendment amended via the constitutional process that allows it or to see reasonable restrictions passed legally and surviving a Supreme Court challenge. Neither are likely, however, and as a result, more “responsible” gun owners will kill innocents.
While personally offended by some exhibitions of free speech, I believe everyone has the right to state their opinion, realizing that others may be offended. Seems to me you’re for fascism?
Actually, I believe that the founding fathers, particularly Madison, were scrupulously in favour of speech remaining free with virtually no restrictions, as a necessary precondition for self-government.
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But hey now, all we need to do now is elect a dem president and have them declare gun deaths a national emergency and activate the military, suspend civil rights, declare marshal law and seize everyone’s guns. Those FEMA camps and black helicopters are getting rusty.
Free speech and spitting and dancing on the graves of innocent people killed in a massive terrorist attack are two different things in my mind.
If they aren’t in yours then no biggie. We can agree to disagree.
The one article that I read that mcgruff posted didn’t make mention of spitting and dancing on graves nor have I been choosy about which amendments need revision as I don’t believe I’ve ever posted an opinion on it. There’s disagreement and then there’s projection. Unless you have me confused with someone else?
You’ve spoken at length about gun reform which is linked to the second amendment. If you are for restricting weaponry that has been afforded to citizens via the 2nd... then you’re talking about revisions.
If you’re celebrating a massive attack resulting in 1000s of deaths... you’re figuratively dancing and spitting on their graves.
Just as I’m sure the founding fathers were not intending to include machine guns as part of the second... I’m pretty sure they were not intending ‘free speech’ to include openly celebrating the deaths of 1000s of innocent people resulting from a calculated attack from a foreign enemy.
How could they ever anticipate either happening?
True, I would like to see the second amendment amended via the constitutional process that allows it or to see reasonable restrictions passed legally and surviving a Supreme Court challenge. Neither are likely, however, and as a result, more “responsible” gun owners will kill innocents.
While personally offended by some exhibitions of free speech, I believe everyone has the right to state their opinion, realizing that others may be offended. Seems to me you’re for fascism?
No. Definitely not.
I’m with you with regards to revising the 2nd. I just think celebrating the 9-11 incident isn’t practicing free speech as much as it is practicing hatred- perhaps even promoting or inciting more violence through approval.
Free speech and spitting and dancing on the graves of innocent people killed in a massive terrorist attack are two different things in my mind.
If they aren’t in yours then no biggie. We can agree to disagree.
The one article that I read that mcgruff posted didn’t make mention of spitting and dancing on graves nor have I been choosy about which amendments need revision as I don’t believe I’ve ever posted an opinion on it. There’s disagreement and then there’s projection. Unless you have me confused with someone else?
You’ve spoken at length about gun reform which is linked to the second amendment. If you are for restricting weaponry that has been afforded to citizens via the 2nd... then you’re talking about revisions.
If you’re celebrating a massive attack resulting in 1000s of deaths... you’re figuratively dancing and spitting on their graves.
Just as I’m sure the founding fathers were not intending to include machine guns as part of the second... I’m pretty sure they were not intending ‘free speech’ to include openly celebrating the deaths of 1000s of innocent people resulting from a calculated attack from a foreign enemy.
How could they ever anticipate either happening?
True, I would like to see the second amendment amended via the constitutional process that allows it or to see reasonable restrictions passed legally and surviving a Supreme Court challenge. Neither are likely, however, and as a result, more “responsible” gun owners will kill innocents.
While personally offended by some exhibitions of free speech, I believe everyone has the right to state their opinion, realizing that others may be offended. Seems to me you’re for fascism?
No. Definitely not.
I’m with you with regards to revising the 2nd. I just think celebrating the 9-11 incident isn’t practicing free speech as much as it is practicing hatred- perhaps even promoting or inciting more violence through approval.
Practicing hatred is legal (unless it's slander or libel, which this case isn't). Inciting violence is illegal, but inciting implies that you're doing something to actively pursue violence, not just that people approve of your hatred (which isn't in your hands just because you screamed into the ether). This isn't about what's right, just what's legal.
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Let’s get back to the issue that’s st hand today the massive coverups that are being run by fat boy Barr & spineless Graham & turtle face McConnell ! And now the Baffoon wants to abolish ACÁ fuck the old the young the sick !
People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?
I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack.
It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable. The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.
If you’re an American celebrating the tower attacks on the day they occurred... then from my way of thinking... you’re an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.
Enemy of the people...that seems to be a common excuse for relaxing the first amendment.
I have no problem with that in this instance. You celebrate while in view of the towers, yeah your ass should be thrown in jail or get a severe beating. In my mind those actions speak volumes, you are supporting the enemies of the United States.
Isn't Barr the one that said laws don't apply to the President? Or something to that effect? Was he not basically hired to be a "yes man?" I mean, as long as the guy that was hired to say "Trump didn't collude with Russia" says "Trump didn't collude with Russia," we all just have to take his word for it. Right? If there's nothing to hide in Mueller's report, release Mueller's report. As is, not amended.
People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?
I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack.
It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable. The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.
If you’re an American celebrating the tower attacks on the day they occurred... then from my way of thinking... you’re an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.
Enemy of the people...that seems to be a common excuse for relaxing the first amendment.
I have no problem with that in this instance. You celebrate while in view of the towers, yeah your ass should be thrown in jail or get a severe beating. In my mind those actions speak volumes, you are supporting the enemies of the United States.
Ok, if we're going to go that route, then how about a presidential nominee declaring they can kill people in the streets without repercussion or actively promoting violence against others. Which is worse, some "enemies of the US" who are dancing in the street at the deaths of thousands of Americans (disgusting behavior, but not illegal) or someone who is a leader of that country soliciting and promoting violence? I'm pretty sure I've seen you post your approval of the recent claims ISIS has been defeated and while you aren't dancing in the street about it, you are glad because you consider them your enemy. Do you understand that several foreign groups consider the US their enemy because of our continued military interventions and murder of innocent civilians for decades? It sucks to admit, but for all the white knight bullshit, this country is not perfect and is in no place to take moral high ground when it comes to violence against others. Make no mistake, I think anyone who celebrates senseless violence is a piece of shit, but that doesn't mean someone gets to kick their ass or throw them in jail when they disagree with why they are celebrating. I'd want to kill the person or anyone involved in any act of violence against my children and several would support it because we all have drawn a line in the sand at what we find acceptable. This country celebrates senseless violence on a daily basis, so it should come as no surprise that others will celebrate when that comes back around against us.
People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?
I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack.
It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable. The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.
If you’re an American celebrating the tower attacks on the day they occurred... then from my way of thinking... you’re an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.
Enemy of the people...that seems to be a common excuse for relaxing the first amendment.
I have no problem with that in this instance. You celebrate while in view of the towers, yeah your ass should be thrown in jail or get a severe beating. In my mind those actions speak volumes, you are supporting the enemies of the United States.
Upholding the law doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with it. Until 1A is amended to exclude symbols/symbolism of hatred, we cannot jail people for such. That is exactly what 1A is protecting. Whether it's muslims cheering on terrorist attacks, Nazis marching in streets hailing Hitler, a redneck flying a Confederate flag & yelling racial slurs at black people, or Fred Phelps spreading his filth at a gay veteran's funeral. On the same token, 1A does not protect those people from someone kicking their asses for those displays of hatred.
This country is fucked , we have an AG who’s running the bootleg for a criminal president who wants to take healthcare away from 20 + millions I ask the Baffoon supporters here are you ok with it ?
This country is fucked , we have an AG who’s running the bootleg for a criminal president who wants to take healthcare away from 20 + millions I ask the Baffoon supporters here are you ok with it ?
And they’ve finally run out of people to screw over as the Team Trump Treason Administration defunds special olympians. They really have outdone themselves.
Free speech and spitting and dancing on the graves of innocent people killed in a massive terrorist attack are two different things in my mind.
If they aren’t in yours then no biggie. We can agree to disagree.
The one article that I read that mcgruff posted didn’t make mention of spitting and dancing on graves nor have I been choosy about which amendments need revision as I don’t believe I’ve ever posted an opinion on it. There’s disagreement and then there’s projection. Unless you have me confused with someone else?
You’ve spoken at length about gun reform which is linked to the second amendment. If you are for restricting weaponry that has been afforded to citizens via the 2nd... then you’re talking about revisions.
If you’re celebrating a massive attack resulting in 1000s of deaths... you’re figuratively dancing and spitting on their graves.
Just as I’m sure the founding fathers were not intending to include machine guns as part of the second... I’m pretty sure they were not intending ‘free speech’ to include openly celebrating the deaths of 1000s of innocent people resulting from a calculated attack from a foreign enemy.
How could they ever anticipate either happening?
True, I would like to see the second amendment amended via the constitutional process that allows it or to see reasonable restrictions passed legally and surviving a Supreme Court challenge. Neither are likely, however, and as a result, more “responsible” gun owners will kill innocents.
While personally offended by some exhibitions of free speech, I believe everyone has the right to state their opinion, realizing that others may be offended. Seems to me you’re for fascism?
No. Definitely not.
I’m with you with regards to revising the 2nd. I just think celebrating the 9-11 incident isn’t practicing free speech as much as it is practicing hatred- perhaps even promoting or inciting more violence through approval.
Practicing hatred is legal (unless it's slander or libel, which this case isn't). Inciting violence is illegal, but inciting implies that you're doing something to actively pursue violence, not just that people approve of your hatred (which isn't in your hands just because you screamed into the ether). This isn't about what's right, just what's legal.
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You sure like to get choosy over which amendments are set in stone and which are in need of change.
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Enemy of the people...that seems to be a common excuse for relaxing the first amendment.
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I would hope that the bar for being defined as an "enemy of the people" would be placed higher than a nebulous "thinking bad thoughts" and would instead be at about the level of taking some sort of action to cause harm. Historically, it has been dicey to prosecute people simply for the thoughts they may have.
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If they aren’t in yours then no biggie. We can agree to disagree.
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Yes, even due process.
If you’re celebrating a massive attack resulting in 1000s of deaths... you’re figuratively dancing and spitting on their graves.
Just as I’m sure the founding fathers were not intending to include machine guns as part of the second... I’m pretty sure they were not intending ‘free speech’ to include openly celebrating the deaths of 1000s of innocent people resulting from a calculated attack from a foreign enemy.
How could they ever anticipate either happening?
or to see reasonable restrictions passed legally and surviving a Supreme Court challenge. Neither are likely, however, and as a result, more “responsible” gun owners will kill innocents.
While personally offended by some exhibitions of free speech, I believe everyone has the right to state their opinion, realizing that others may be offended. Seems to me you’re for fascism?
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I’m with you with regards to revising the 2nd. I just think celebrating the 9-11 incident isn’t practicing free speech as much as it is practicing hatred- perhaps even promoting or inciting more violence through approval.
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Another group this administration doesn’t care about ! What an a putrid woman...
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