True. But they were still far outnumbered by angry white dudes who wanted to go and smash some Muslim faces that week. Why a tiny number of asshole Muslims who were glad are still being brought up nearly 20 years later is a question that needs to be considered.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.
Not to mention the easily dispelled BS that he posts. But one example as he repeated the Faux News talking point regarding the Steele Dossier. I guess now Senator Graham is a liar?:
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he had told Sen. John McCain to give the FBI the dossier on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, a revelation that comes after Trump repeatedly assailed the late Arizona Republican over the issue.
Last week, Trump accused McCain of handing over the document “for very evil purposes.” McCain died of brain cancer in August.
Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Monday McCain showed him the dossier when he received it in late 2016.
“And I told him the only thing I knew to do with it, it could be a bunch of garbage, it could be true, who knows? Turn it over to somebody whose job it is to find these things out, and John McCain acted appropriately,” Graham said, according to CNN.
“He & the Dems, working together, failed (as usual). Even the Fake News refused this garbage!” Trump said in the tweet.
McCain was not made aware of the Steele dossier until Nov. 18, 2016 — after Trump had won the election. And while McCain himself gave the dossier to the FBI, there is no evidence he gave it to the media.
Former McCain aide David Kramer, a Russia expert, has testified that he gave the dossier to the media in December 2016.
I actually think this is an important angle to pick apart. McCain's and Kramer's hands were on it. Kramer seems to have done more active disseminating then McCain but this all needs to be drilled down on. Remember at this point the dossier was not new. The FBI had it months before but now it was being passed to media through Kramer and FBI again through McCain. Did they innocently have it handed to them and just did what they thought was right or were they participating in something else. This was recycled intelligence made to appear as corroborating intelligence from a non-partisan source. This story will be told. McCain's obvious war hero status is not a reason to look away. You all felt that way in the run up to 2008.
You mean were they participating in the coup rumor that you continue to propagate without regard to the lessons learned from Iraq?
Yes. They were participating. The question is whether they were wittingly or unwittingly participating. Lindsey Graham believes McCain was an unwitting participant. Personally I am not ready to indict them or exonerate them.
I'm glad you aren't ready to indict them, considering a few things: 1. You're not a prosecutor 2. You're not a citizen 3. You have no evidence 4. You've never interviewed a subject in the matter. So I have to compliment you on your amazing restraint, although you still continue to apply intent to the actions of people who you don't know, never spoke with, and are responsible for keeping Americans safe every day. But keep at it, it makes a difference.
Haaaa. An answer I've never seen you give to the constant insanity that oozes out of this place. Maybe this forum just ain't a place for you if random people riffing isn't your thing.
I don't mind random riffing, but the trolling you engaged in on Saturday deserves an appropriate response. Second, the conspiracy mongering is worse than the 'Russia-gate', considering there was an actual special counsel for RG. So until there are indictments on DOJ brass for violation of US Code related to the overthrow of the gov't, all you are doing is the very thing you were righteously railing against with the Tabbi article. Riffing is not the same as hypocrisy.
Nope. Sorry. The origin story is out there and legit. You are purposely avoiding known facts about the Papadopolous entrapment, DNC-Fusion GPS dossier fabrication, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies (thanks Halifax), FISA abuse, leaking to the media, the recycling of information, and the triggering of the special council. The only ingredient missing in this attempted coup was Trump firing Mueller. A necessary ingredient for an obstruction charge that never came to be. You purposely have zero curiosity about any of this. Are you concerned that it reaches all the way to the top? It's already been reported that the White House was involved in the discussions on the first FISA warrant. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable asking for it. Page/Strozk/McCabe wanted it bad. What was Obama's involvement. It's just too painful for you to ask the question.
Whoa! Now it's McCain AND Obama! OMG, the conspiracy is just growing every post. You make Tucker Carlson look fair and reasonable. Hilarious. @me when the indictments for the US Code hit, until then, you're just full of shit.
Again. Apologies for making you uncomfortable. Just released Lisa Page text messages now make it an absolute fact that the White House was involved in the FISA application. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable with proceeding and the White House got involved to move it forward. It all comes down to this meeting. Who was involved? What was the discussion that took place? Why was this application on Carter Page necessary at all? Why was exculpatory evidence withheld? A US citizen, who in the long run was charged with nothing, was spied on and was a significant gateway to the collusion investigation. Do I want the Mueller report released? Absolutely. But I want all this info released as well. You should too. Don't be afraid.
It's late for this, but I'm going to offer it anyways:
People can say what they want, but I respect @BS44325 for his efforts expressing where he is at in this entire affair. He's far from a 'troll' and in my opinion offers a level of credibility to the 'other' side.
I'm not saying I agree with him entirely- I don't. But his contributions are infinitely greater than 'woot' and 'MAGA' and 'lock her up'... and if I'm being honest... I pause for thought when reading his submissions.
Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.
Not to mention the easily dispelled BS that he posts. But one example as he repeated the Faux News talking point regarding the Steele Dossier. I guess now Senator Graham is a liar?:
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he had told Sen. John McCain to give the FBI the dossier on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, a revelation that comes after Trump repeatedly assailed the late Arizona Republican over the issue.
Last week, Trump accused McCain of handing over the document “for very evil purposes.” McCain died of brain cancer in August.
Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Monday McCain showed him the dossier when he received it in late 2016.
“And I told him the only thing I knew to do with it, it could be a bunch of garbage, it could be true, who knows? Turn it over to somebody whose job it is to find these things out, and John McCain acted appropriately,” Graham said, according to CNN.
“He & the Dems, working together, failed (as usual). Even the Fake News refused this garbage!” Trump said in the tweet.
McCain was not made aware of the Steele dossier until Nov. 18, 2016 — after Trump had won the election. And while McCain himself gave the dossier to the FBI, there is no evidence he gave it to the media.
Former McCain aide David Kramer, a Russia expert, has testified that he gave the dossier to the media in December 2016.
I actually think this is an important angle to pick apart. McCain's and Kramer's hands were on it. Kramer seems to have done more active disseminating then McCain but this all needs to be drilled down on. Remember at this point the dossier was not new. The FBI had it months before but now it was being passed to media through Kramer and FBI again through McCain. Did they innocently have it handed to them and just did what they thought was right or were they participating in something else. This was recycled intelligence made to appear as corroborating intelligence from a non-partisan source. This story will be told. McCain's obvious war hero status is not a reason to look away. You all felt that way in the run up to 2008.
You mean were they participating in the coup rumor that you continue to propagate without regard to the lessons learned from Iraq?
Yes. They were participating. The question is whether they were wittingly or unwittingly participating. Lindsey Graham believes McCain was an unwitting participant. Personally I am not ready to indict them or exonerate them.
I'm glad you aren't ready to indict them, considering a few things: 1. You're not a prosecutor 2. You're not a citizen 3. You have no evidence 4. You've never interviewed a subject in the matter. So I have to compliment you on your amazing restraint, although you still continue to apply intent to the actions of people who you don't know, never spoke with, and are responsible for keeping Americans safe every day. But keep at it, it makes a difference.
Haaaa. An answer I've never seen you give to the constant insanity that oozes out of this place. Maybe this forum just ain't a place for you if random people riffing isn't your thing.
I don't mind random riffing, but the trolling you engaged in on Saturday deserves an appropriate response. Second, the conspiracy mongering is worse than the 'Russia-gate', considering there was an actual special counsel for RG. So until there are indictments on DOJ brass for violation of US Code related to the overthrow of the gov't, all you are doing is the very thing you were righteously railing against with the Tabbi article. Riffing is not the same as hypocrisy.
Nope. Sorry. The origin story is out there and legit. You are purposely avoiding known facts about the Papadopolous entrapment, DNC-Fusion GPS dossier fabrication, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies (thanks Halifax), FISA abuse, leaking to the media, the recycling of information, and the triggering of the special council. The only ingredient missing in this attempted coup was Trump firing Mueller. A necessary ingredient for an obstruction charge that never came to be. You purposely have zero curiosity about any of this. Are you concerned that it reaches all the way to the top? It's already been reported that the White House was involved in the discussions on the first FISA warrant. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable asking for it. Page/Strozk/McCabe wanted it bad. What was Obama's involvement. It's just too painful for you to ask the question.
This sounds alot like the Democrats conspiracy theories that Trump was a Russian asset.
I never thought that although I do believe he is guilty of Campaign crimes.
Trump said in his own voice Russia would be rewarded if they attacked Hillary, and their attacks intensified that very same day.
No fisa waarrnt. No dossier. No russian asset. None of that fox news bull $hit. Trumps own words brought this investigation on him.
Further, my understanding was it was illegal to receive anything of value from a foreign national, but in Barr's narrow definition, they only considered the "russian govt." Why did Barr raised the criminality bar so high? Pun intended.
Barr was brought in at the last minute to make sure this was handled just like he handled Iran Contra and just like he auditioned with his memo last summer.
Hey BS is this your idea of transparency lol even fat boy Barr is in cahoots with the Baffoon and Putin , how does it feel to be rooting for a Russian cohort?
Actually, Obama's going to be investigated. I tend to doubt there's really anything to attach to him specficially. But there could be a lot of indictments incoming at some point and a lot of democrats in prison. And it's starting to look like there should be.
True. But they were still far outnumbered by angry white dudes who wanted to go and smash some Muslim faces that week. Why a tiny number of asshole Muslims who were glad are still being brought up nearly 20 years later is a question that needs to be considered.
I hear ya. I didn’t bring it up and certainly don’t let it consume my thoughts 18 years later. I was just making the point that 1 would be 1 too many. We agree there.
Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.
Not to mention the easily dispelled BS that he posts. But one example as he repeated the Faux News talking point regarding the Steele Dossier. I guess now Senator Graham is a liar?:
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he had told Sen. John McCain to give the FBI the dossier on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, a revelation that comes after Trump repeatedly assailed the late Arizona Republican over the issue.
Last week, Trump accused McCain of handing over the document “for very evil purposes.” McCain died of brain cancer in August.
Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Monday McCain showed him the dossier when he received it in late 2016.
“And I told him the only thing I knew to do with it, it could be a bunch of garbage, it could be true, who knows? Turn it over to somebody whose job it is to find these things out, and John McCain acted appropriately,” Graham said, according to CNN.
“He & the Dems, working together, failed (as usual). Even the Fake News refused this garbage!” Trump said in the tweet.
McCain was not made aware of the Steele dossier until Nov. 18, 2016 — after Trump had won the election. And while McCain himself gave the dossier to the FBI, there is no evidence he gave it to the media.
Former McCain aide David Kramer, a Russia expert, has testified that he gave the dossier to the media in December 2016.
I actually think this is an important angle to pick apart. McCain's and Kramer's hands were on it. Kramer seems to have done more active disseminating then McCain but this all needs to be drilled down on. Remember at this point the dossier was not new. The FBI had it months before but now it was being passed to media through Kramer and FBI again through McCain. Did they innocently have it handed to them and just did what they thought was right or were they participating in something else. This was recycled intelligence made to appear as corroborating intelligence from a non-partisan source. This story will be told. McCain's obvious war hero status is not a reason to look away. You all felt that way in the run up to 2008.
You mean were they participating in the coup rumor that you continue to propagate without regard to the lessons learned from Iraq?
Yes. They were participating. The question is whether they were wittingly or unwittingly participating. Lindsey Graham believes McCain was an unwitting participant. Personally I am not ready to indict them or exonerate them.
I'm glad you aren't ready to indict them, considering a few things: 1. You're not a prosecutor 2. You're not a citizen 3. You have no evidence 4. You've never interviewed a subject in the matter. So I have to compliment you on your amazing restraint, although you still continue to apply intent to the actions of people who you don't know, never spoke with, and are responsible for keeping Americans safe every day. But keep at it, it makes a difference.
Haaaa. An answer I've never seen you give to the constant insanity that oozes out of this place. Maybe this forum just ain't a place for you if random people riffing isn't your thing.
I don't mind random riffing, but the trolling you engaged in on Saturday deserves an appropriate response. Second, the conspiracy mongering is worse than the 'Russia-gate', considering there was an actual special counsel for RG. So until there are indictments on DOJ brass for violation of US Code related to the overthrow of the gov't, all you are doing is the very thing you were righteously railing against with the Tabbi article. Riffing is not the same as hypocrisy.
Nope. Sorry. The origin story is out there and legit. You are purposely avoiding known facts about the Papadopolous entrapment, DNC-Fusion GPS dossier fabrication, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies (thanks Halifax), FISA abuse, leaking to the media, the recycling of information, and the triggering of the special council. The only ingredient missing in this attempted coup was Trump firing Mueller. A necessary ingredient for an obstruction charge that never came to be. You purposely have zero curiosity about any of this. Are you concerned that it reaches all the way to the top? It's already been reported that the White House was involved in the discussions on the first FISA warrant. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable asking for it. Page/Strozk/McCabe wanted it bad. What was Obama's involvement. It's just too painful for you to ask the question.
Whoa! Now it's McCain AND Obama! OMG, the conspiracy is just growing every post. You make Tucker Carlson look fair and reasonable. Hilarious. @me when the indictments for the US Code hit, until then, you're just full of shit.
Again. Apologies for making you uncomfortable. Just released Lisa Page text messages now make it an absolute fact that the White House was involved in the FISA application. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable with proceeding and the White House got involved to move it forward. It all comes down to this meeting. Who was involved? What was the discussion that took place? Why was this application on Carter Page necessary at all? Why was exculpatory evidence withheld? A US citizen, who in the long run was charged with nothing, was spied on and was a significant gateway to the collusion investigation. Do I want the Mueller report released? Absolutely. But I want all this info released as well. You should too. Don't be afraid.
Link for the bolded part, professor? And why wouldn't the White House be involved? Executive branch function, DOJ, and privlege and all.
You can take that approach or you can be part of the solution.
I took an Uber to work the other day, and I love speaking to Uber drivers. We ended up having a great conversation about life in general, corruption, politicians who don't speak for us, etc. While we were co-ranting about something, my driver happened to say "and you've got to know that at the end of the day it's a bunch of Jews behind all of that corruption". I asked him if he knew about the history of Jews and their association with wealth, and he didn't. I explained to him about the Calvinist stances on wealth as being 'impure', and how they would often reach out to the only folks embedded in their community who didn't mind handling wealth - Jews.
I also then told him about how tired I was of people not openly discussing their preconceived beliefs, and not trying to have open conversations to share conflicting viewpoints. I also told him that I'm Jewish, and that while on the topic of corruption the Jewish lobby is far too powerful and far too allegiant to Israel (which is not the same as being Jewish), he should know that they don't speak for me.
Forgive me if I misunderstood your point, but if 15-20 are too many, would you have preferred to never let Muslims into the US in the first place, would you have preferred to deport them, or would you try to talk with and understand them? My gut feeling says that far too few would try Option 3.
'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
There's no obligation to show any of this to the public, but in this case does Barr mean the White House gets to make redactions prior to Congress seeing it too?
'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
There's no obligation to show any of this to the public, but in this case does Barr mean the White House gets to make redactions prior to Congress seeing it too?
It's worse than that.
Trump's defense lawyers have previously said they want a chance to review and "correct" the Mueller report before it's made public
Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil.
A ton of people were out on the streets on 9/11 "disturbing the peace".
Pesky 1st Amendment, amiright?
I wonder if the first amendment would cover them? (The people celebrating the attacks) I m not sure.
Nope sorry The freedom of speech only applies to white christian males speaking In support of.... guns pro life The current president 'murica
Oh stop with that. I honestly don’t know if the first amendment covers when you support/celebrate the enemy. Can you legally fly an al queda or isis flag? It s a legit question. By the way, do you support those people who celebrated the twin towers being attacked?
You can take that approach or you can be part of the solution.
I took an Uber to work the other day, and I love speaking to Uber drivers. We ended up having a great conversation about life in general, corruption, politicians who don't speak for us, etc. While we were co-ranting about something, my driver happened to say "and you've got to know that at the end of the day it's a bunch of Jews behind all of that corruption". I asked him if he knew about the history of Jews and their association with wealth, and he didn't. I explained to him about the Calvinist stances on wealth as being 'impure', and how they would often reach out to the only folks embedded in their community who didn't mind handling wealth - Jews.
I also then told him about how tired I was of people not openly discussing their preconceived beliefs, and not trying to have open conversations to share conflicting viewpoints. I also told him that I'm Jewish, and that while on the topic of corruption the Jewish lobby is far too powerful and far too allegiant to Israel (which is not the same as being Jewish), he should know that they don't speak for me.
Forgive me if I misunderstood your point, but if 15-20 are too many, would you have preferred to never let Muslims into the US in the first place, would you have preferred to deport them, or would you try to talk with and understand them? My gut feeling says that far too few would try Option 3.
To answer your questions in order:
1. I’m glad that we have let in, and continue to let in, Muslims to the U.S.
2. I’m not sure if I’d prefer to deport the roughly 15-20 individuals in question. I do know that if they were celebrating the acts of 9/11, then they have no place here. That goes for anyone, of any ethnic or religious background.
3. I’d have a hard time trying to calmly discuss why someone would celebrate these acts, so I’m probably not the best person for that job.
I find your Uber story very interesting and it’s a shame that those pre-conceived beliefs exist, but I believe we’re comparing apples and oranges. I have no pre-conceived beliefs about Muslims. I do; however, have strong beliefs about anyone who danced and celebrated after the atrocities of 9/11.
Yeah, I can appreciate it to an extent, but it's clear there is some trolling going on to. Most recently the "MAGA bitches" comment. There is a lot of pompous know-it-all in there even though it's a lot of speculation and mainly just meant to annoy the status quo in here who despise a gelatinous blob as president.
Not to mention the easily dispelled BS that he posts. But one example as he repeated the Faux News talking point regarding the Steele Dossier. I guess now Senator Graham is a liar?:
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he had told Sen. John McCain to give the FBI the dossier on the Trump campaign’s alleged ties to Russia, a revelation that comes after Trump repeatedly assailed the late Arizona Republican over the issue.
Last week, Trump accused McCain of handing over the document “for very evil purposes.” McCain died of brain cancer in August.
Graham, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Monday McCain showed him the dossier when he received it in late 2016.
“And I told him the only thing I knew to do with it, it could be a bunch of garbage, it could be true, who knows? Turn it over to somebody whose job it is to find these things out, and John McCain acted appropriately,” Graham said, according to CNN.
“He & the Dems, working together, failed (as usual). Even the Fake News refused this garbage!” Trump said in the tweet.
McCain was not made aware of the Steele dossier until Nov. 18, 2016 — after Trump had won the election. And while McCain himself gave the dossier to the FBI, there is no evidence he gave it to the media.
Former McCain aide David Kramer, a Russia expert, has testified that he gave the dossier to the media in December 2016.
I actually think this is an important angle to pick apart. McCain's and Kramer's hands were on it. Kramer seems to have done more active disseminating then McCain but this all needs to be drilled down on. Remember at this point the dossier was not new. The FBI had it months before but now it was being passed to media through Kramer and FBI again through McCain. Did they innocently have it handed to them and just did what they thought was right or were they participating in something else. This was recycled intelligence made to appear as corroborating intelligence from a non-partisan source. This story will be told. McCain's obvious war hero status is not a reason to look away. You all felt that way in the run up to 2008.
You mean were they participating in the coup rumor that you continue to propagate without regard to the lessons learned from Iraq?
Yes. They were participating. The question is whether they were wittingly or unwittingly participating. Lindsey Graham believes McCain was an unwitting participant. Personally I am not ready to indict them or exonerate them.
I'm glad you aren't ready to indict them, considering a few things: 1. You're not a prosecutor 2. You're not a citizen 3. You have no evidence 4. You've never interviewed a subject in the matter. So I have to compliment you on your amazing restraint, although you still continue to apply intent to the actions of people who you don't know, never spoke with, and are responsible for keeping Americans safe every day. But keep at it, it makes a difference.
Haaaa. An answer I've never seen you give to the constant insanity that oozes out of this place. Maybe this forum just ain't a place for you if random people riffing isn't your thing.
I don't mind random riffing, but the trolling you engaged in on Saturday deserves an appropriate response. Second, the conspiracy mongering is worse than the 'Russia-gate', considering there was an actual special counsel for RG. So until there are indictments on DOJ brass for violation of US Code related to the overthrow of the gov't, all you are doing is the very thing you were righteously railing against with the Tabbi article. Riffing is not the same as hypocrisy.
Nope. Sorry. The origin story is out there and legit. You are purposely avoiding known facts about the Papadopolous entrapment, DNC-Fusion GPS dossier fabrication, the participation of foreign intelligence agencies (thanks Halifax), FISA abuse, leaking to the media, the recycling of information, and the triggering of the special council. The only ingredient missing in this attempted coup was Trump firing Mueller. A necessary ingredient for an obstruction charge that never came to be. You purposely have zero curiosity about any of this. Are you concerned that it reaches all the way to the top? It's already been reported that the White House was involved in the discussions on the first FISA warrant. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable asking for it. Page/Strozk/McCabe wanted it bad. What was Obama's involvement. It's just too painful for you to ask the question.
Whoa! Now it's McCain AND Obama! OMG, the conspiracy is just growing every post. You make Tucker Carlson look fair and reasonable. Hilarious. @me when the indictments for the US Code hit, until then, you're just full of shit.
Again. Apologies for making you uncomfortable. Just released Lisa Page text messages now make it an absolute fact that the White House was involved in the FISA application. Some in the DOJ were uncomfortable with proceeding and the White House got involved to move it forward. It all comes down to this meeting. Who was involved? What was the discussion that took place? Why was this application on Carter Page necessary at all? Why was exculpatory evidence withheld? A US citizen, who in the long run was charged with nothing, was spied on and was a significant gateway to the collusion investigation. Do I want the Mueller report released? Absolutely. But I want all this info released as well. You should too. Don't be afraid.
Ha, making me uncomfortable. Why do you think this will affect my job, income or family in anyway? You're very silly with the way you try to spin things at people. I do enjoy a good half baked theory. Usually I can get that in the comments section of Breitbart, but now we're lucky enough to have it here.
There's no obligation to show any of this to the public, but in this case does Barr mean the White House gets to make redactions prior to Congress seeing it too?
It's worse than that.
Trump's defense lawyers have previously said they want a chance to review and "correct" the Mueller report before it's made public
It’s a total coverup and the Democrats should stop fighting with kids gloves ..
Yes, it's a total cover up, and Trump is running around declaring total exoneration and it will stay a massive part of his 2020 campaign too. Pure corruption, and the Reps and GOP party are celebrating it, and actually rubbing it in the lefts' faces. It's shameful.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Hell yeah- saw that the pentagon released 1 billion and they’re building 57 miles of it near Yuma and El Paso. Good stuff. The media was focused on the mueller waste of time but 5000 illegal immigrants were stopped this past weekend alone. It’s out of control. In San Antonio ice just drops off these people at these bus stops after they’ve been detained near churches and they can’t feed or clothe them because they’re out of supplies and overflowing with people. The diseases are worrisome as very few of them are vaccinated at all.
Don't forget that the number of undocumented immigrants that ICE detains doesn't correlate with the number of undocumented immigrants coming into the US at any given time - it only correlates with the amount of energy they've been instructed to spend to detain persons. If Trump had said "ease back a bit", they'd have picked up less than 5000. What you're seeing does not mean a problem is getting worse - it means your President is tolerating less.
I'm not opposed to building the wall from a moral perspective - a country truly is entitled to fortify its borders if it chooses - but I find it short-sighted, and unnecessary (along with the things that come with it - the perceived cruelty, the real divide, the logistical challenges with a major trade partner, the increase in processing needs per border crossing and thus potential for bottleneck, and the cost of the thing, for no truly indicated or expected results).
I also think from a purely economic perspective, it's been understood for some time now that the jobs occupied by undocumented immigrants have effectively established a new market value for that labour, because they take the work that US citizens never wanted, and do it at a price US citizens deem beneath them. This means that if that influx disappears, businesses have to bear a newly increased cost for the labour. Businesses don't typically accept increased costs for labour - instead, they hire less, ask more of current employees, and have clients subsidize these realities with increased prices.
Putting all of these together, I think it's likely that the lasting legacy of a wall will be exploitation of the Mexican government (just like applying sanctions, it's another great way to restrict a country's global power while exerting your own, and gain trade negotiating leverage), the de-weaving of the social fabric with respect to US-Mexican cultural exchanges, security risks (when you threaten an entire neighbouring country's livelihood and escape route to safety, you should expect this), a less powerful internal economy where businesses act more frugally (as discussed above), a more expensive life with respect to consumer products, busier borders making trade more difficult.
Like I said, morally, if Trump wants to do this, he can, but he should know that he will own the costs and not just the benefits he perceives of this. You should know the costs too - and you should be concerned (whether you want this or not) that Trump doesn't want to talk about them.
You know, I (and many others) have been beating this drum for the longest time that wall proponents simply don't get: the effect this will have on the economy as a whole and their own wallets, specifically.
-illegal immigrants are working in fields and construction sites for pennies on the dollar -americans make more than those wages on welfare
They are not taking your jobs. americans are giving them to them. costs will inevitably increase substantially, and then all the wall bangers will be pissing and moaning about paying $3 an apple and thousands more for renos on their house.
these issues don't matter to the people on the Hill. they can afford these increases. they are using your own fear and racist tendencies against what's actually best for you.
You guys are both correct, I’m sure. I am for obeying the law, though, and illegal is illegal. If they go through the system then I have no problem with it at all. It’s not the people I have a problem with, it’s the fact that it’s not lawful. I’ve said it before, but even my employees who are from Mexico (some on visas and some are citizens) are against it because they did it lawfully. They don’t like the fact that some get to break the rules while they followed them. It has nothing to do with race for me, I don’t care if they’re from Sweden or Russia or China or Mars, we just don’t have a problemhappening on any of our other borders, just the one with Mexico.
as for the economics, I defer to the pros on that- I’m not bothered if I have to spend more money because we enforce our laws. That’s the way it is and we’ll change our spending habits to adapt. Here in austin the construction guys are creating chaos because the city is growing so big- so many undocumented guys are just leaving one site for another that will pay more in cash per day (in the middle of their shift no less,) that it’s delaying construction projects by months in some cases. You’re right, they’re the ones who want those jobs. I think if they were legal they’d still want those jobs though, so I’m not sure I fully get the argument that there would be no one to fill certain jobs. There would be, they’d just be legal
just don’t get why following laws makes people so uncomfortable
We absolutely have a problem on the "other borders". Tens of thousands of people come in via airports all over the country every day and overstay their visas by years and decades. But the right doesn't care about them for 2 main reasons.... 1. They tend to be caucasian 2. The right (politicians and right wing media)is stoking fears about the southern border.
And just to be clear....as a leftist socialist liberal Democrat I want people to follow the rule of law and do things legally and safely. I, and most like me do not want, and have never called for, open borders.
There is no more "southern border invasion " now then there was 5 or 10 or 25 years ago. Just people trying to stoke fear and garner votes.
Ok. But I haven’t seen any reports about these folks flying in and overstaying their visas then ending up dead in the back of a giant rig that was left in a Walmart parking lot, locked, without water. Let me know when human trafficking takes place through the airports because then I’ll be all for the green deal because it will eliminate air travel altogether and we won’t have to hear about horrid stuff like that anymore.
theres plenty of shows out there on Netflix such as “Dope” for example where the cartels are featured- very few of them are trafficking people or drugs these days through airports, they all come through the ocean to Miami or through the Texas/Arizona/Cali borders.
we can agree to disagree of course, and that’s cool, that’s why it’s good to have discussions. It’s a lot different down here in tejas/northern Mexico than in a lot of states in the north where I’ve lived before.
Disturbing the peace by celebrating an attack on us soil.
A ton of people were out on the streets on 9/11 "disturbing the peace".
Pesky 1st Amendment, amiright?
I wonder if the first amendment would cover them? (The people celebrating the attacks) I m not sure.
Nope sorry The freedom of speech only applies to white christian males speaking In support of.... guns pro life The current president 'murica
Oh stop with that. I honestly don’t know if the first amendment covers when you support/celebrate the enemy. Can you legally fly an al queda or isis flag? It s a legit question. By the way, do you support those people who celebrated the twin towers being attacked?
Seriously? Of course you can. People fly the fucking confederate flag. Who cares if they fly the ISIS flag; it's their ass on the line for doing it. Did you take poli-sci? The case of the burning cross is mandatory study.
There's no obligation to show any of this to the public, but in this case does Barr mean the White House gets to make redactions prior to Congress seeing it too?
It's worse than that.
Trump's defense lawyers have previously said they want a chance to review and "correct" the Mueller report before it's made public
Don’t ever forget that Team Trump Treason denigrated a dead US senator who honorably served his country while also bragging about how he’s in love with the leader of a corrupt and murderous communist regime. Treasonous.
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The White House will get the Mueller report before the public does in case it wants to make redactions, Barr says
This sounds alot like the Democrats conspiracy theories that Trump was a Russian asset.
I never thought that although I do believe he is guilty of Campaign crimes.
Trump said in his own voice Russia would be rewarded if they attacked Hillary, and their attacks intensified that very same day.
No fisa waarrnt. No dossier. No russian asset. None of that fox news bull $hit. Trumps own words brought this investigation on him.
Further, my understanding was it was illegal to receive anything of value from a foreign national, but in Barr's narrow definition, they only considered the "russian govt." Why did Barr raised the criminality bar so high? Pun intended.
Barr was brought in at the last minute to make sure this was handled just like he handled Iran Contra and just like he auditioned with his memo last summer.
I wonder how many Americans have celebrated when Muslim targets have been hit and innocents died?
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I took an Uber to work the other day, and I love speaking to Uber drivers. We ended up having a great conversation about life in general, corruption, politicians who don't speak for us, etc. While we were co-ranting about something, my driver happened to say "and you've got to know that at the end of the day it's a bunch of Jews behind all of that corruption". I asked him if he knew about the history of Jews and their association with wealth, and he didn't. I explained to him about the Calvinist stances on wealth as being 'impure', and how they would often reach out to the only folks embedded in their community who didn't mind handling wealth - Jews.
I also then told him about how tired I was of people not openly discussing their preconceived beliefs, and not trying to have open conversations to share conflicting viewpoints. I also told him that I'm Jewish, and that while on the topic of corruption the Jewish lobby is far too powerful and far too allegiant to Israel (which is not the same as being Jewish), he should know that they don't speak for me.
Forgive me if I misunderstood your point, but if 15-20 are too many, would you have preferred to never let Muslims into the US in the first place, would you have preferred to deport them, or would you try to talk with and understand them? My gut feeling says that far too few would try Option 3.
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Trump's defense lawyers have previously said they want a chance to review and "correct" the Mueller report before it's made public
The freedom of speech only applies to white christian males speaking In support of....
guns
pro life
The current president
'murica
By the way, do you support those people who celebrated the twin towers being attacked?
1. I’m glad that we have let in, and continue to let in, Muslims to the U.S.
2. I’m not sure if I’d prefer to deport the roughly 15-20 individuals in question. I do know that if they were celebrating the acts of 9/11, then they have no place here. That goes for anyone, of any ethnic or religious background.
3. I’d have a hard time trying to calmly discuss why someone would celebrate these acts, so I’m probably not the best person for that job.
I find your Uber story very interesting and it’s a shame that those pre-conceived beliefs exist, but I believe we’re comparing apples and oranges. I have no pre-conceived beliefs about Muslims. I do; however, have strong beliefs about anyone who danced and celebrated after the atrocities of 9/11.
theres plenty of shows out there on Netflix such as “Dope” for example where the cartels are featured- very few of them are trafficking people or drugs these days through airports, they all come through the ocean to Miami or through the Texas/Arizona/Cali borders.
we can agree to disagree of course, and that’s cool, that’s why it’s good to have discussions. It’s a lot different down here in tejas/northern Mexico than in a lot of states in the north where I’ve lived before.
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